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 EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact 
#16090445 - 04/14/12 09:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Well there's a relatively new urine test that can detect traces of Ethyl glucuronide that's released after either drinking alcohol or even incidental contact with ethyl alcohol. It's so sensitive that it literally can't tell the difference between say if someone drank a lot or if someone used hand sanitizer that usually contains around 63% Ethyl Alcohol.
Well anyways, I'm on random drug screens (rather not get into the details of it) and am pretty sure it includes an EtG test. Now I haven't drank any alcohol at all in almost 5 months, but today I was helping my neighbor pressure wash his house.
Since we didn't have the proper chemicals, or at least the ones I prefer to use, Industrial strength bleach and another chemical that's bio safe and literally eats away mold and other shit, we decided to just mix a bunch of cleaners together in a 5 gallon jug, which worked quite well. We used bleach from Lowes that's not nearly as strong as what I usually use and 2 other cleaners, which I can't remember what they were. Long story short, it actually worked quite well.
Unfortunately I looked at the bottles after we were done and 2 of the cleaners contained quite a bit of ethyl alcohol. And if anyone is familiar with pressure washing, you get that shit ALL OVER YOU. Direct contact, misting, etc. Basically I had a lot of contact with it.
Now I'm worried because on Monday morning I'm about 90% sure I'll have to take a urine test. And since I've been in contact with a lot of ethyl alcohol, I'm pretty sure I'll fail.
Does anyone know anything about these tests? I've read up on them and they can't tell the difference between actually getting drunk or getting it on your skin.
What should I do if I'm tested? I'm sure they've heard every excuse under the sun, but I don't want to fail the test just because I was helping my neighbor. Hell, I'm very careful with whatever is in the house that has alcohol in it. I don't use hand sanitizer, I don't eat foods with vanilla extract, I use alcohol free mouthwash and tooth paste, hell I don't even chew gum that has natural alcohols in it (yes, some gum does).
What should I do? What can I do? If I test positive and get a violation, I'm fucked. It will be returned to the courts and that will cause a lot of problems for me.
God dammit, I've been so damn careful so far, but one little slip up where I didn't read the bottles because we were in a rush. I'm going to be so pissed if I test positive. Hell, I might as well have drank.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]  1
#16090489 - 04/14/12 09:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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damn if I were you i'd just have taken the time instead of probation...the courts are mentally tormenting you for the year or 18 months or however long you are on papers.
Should have just done the 90 days or whatever and then powerwashed whenever u felt like it!
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #2]
#16090498 - 04/14/12 09:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That's the thing, even if I did the time, I'd still have to complete this class. Already did a few days in jail that were mandatory minimums, but even if I pull the full time, I'd still have to do this shit. It's a state requirement.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16090514 - 04/14/12 09:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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This shit is ridiculous, I can't even enjoy my favorite food hobby right now, which is rolling my own sushi because you mix rice wine vinegar in with the sticky rice.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16090520 - 04/14/12 09:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah, here's a link for those that are interested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_glucuronide
Detection time according to Erowid is 24-72 hours. Other research I've read has given times between 18-100+ hours.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16090522 - 04/14/12 09:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think you should be fine. Alcohol doesn't absorb that well topically I don't think. If worse comes to worst, your neighbor could file a formal statement saying what happened, or you could just use fake or someone else's piss if you trust doing that.
Which brings me to a question. What makes you think they are using such an elaborate test on you? Normally the more things they test for, the more expensive it is to test you. Especially if they send it in to the lab for gc/ms. If you fail it then you can ask to have them gc/ms it and it should be able to tell the difference shouldn't it?
Anyway, report back whatever happens! If you never respond then we will all assume you are in jail for helping thy neighbor.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #3]
#16090534 - 04/14/12 09:47 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It's pretty much guaranteed they are using the test because the class is geared mainly towards alcoholics. Plus I've heard other people say that they use it. Not that I trust them, but one guy failed because he drank alcohol the day before the test and had to spend 4 days in jail before being able to re enroll.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16090543 - 04/14/12 09:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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And apparently alcohol absorbs extremely well through contact with skin, that's why this EtG test is so controversial. People have failed because their deodorant contained small amounts of alcohol and of course using hand sanitizer is a huge NO NO.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #3]
#16091794 - 04/15/12 02:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #3 said:
Especially if they send it in to the lab for gc/ms. If you fail it then you can ask to have them gc/ms it and it should be able to tell the difference shouldn't it?
EtG testing is a little different than normal drug testing. With normal drug testing, GC/MS works because they're testing for metabolites of certain drugs. It's easy to tell different metabolites with great specificity using GC/MS.
With EtG tests, they just test for elevated levels of EtG which indicates recent alcohol usage. There's no way to tell "what kind of alcohol" and whatnot. Alcohol in you system, any kind/amount, will elevate your EtG levels. Although how much alcohol will certainly have an effect on how long your EtG levels are up.
IME, after 92 hours is when you'll be totally safe. But 72 hours is usually the norm. So if they don't test you on Monday, you'll be straight...even if they do test you Monday, hopefully the amount absorbed was small enough that you can make the 48 hour cutoff, it's definitely possible.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #4]
#16093014 - 04/15/12 12:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. It was all day saturday afternoon up till around 8pm. So not even 48 hours since the class is from 9-12 in the morning on Monday. I was definitely exposed pretty heavily to it, both from mixing the chemicals to spilling some on my leg when the top of the 5 gallon jug popped off that we were using to mix, to inhaling and being soaked by the spray and mist. So I'm pretty sure I got a pretty decent dose, even though it didn't make me feel drunk. But that doesn't matter. Hand sanitizer will set these things off and you don't get drunk from washing your hands with them.
I just like to know before I go in, ya know. Before, when I was getting drug tested for my job and used to smoke weed, I would buy the test strips online for like $2 a piece to figure out how long it would take me from total abstinence to pass one of those standard 5-10 panel dip tests. And I had a script for amphetamines so that took care of any MDMA/MDA I had in my system.
My sales manager would always give me the heads up about a week in advance since hell, I sold weed and pills to like 90% of the store employees, including all the lower managers except for the store manager who was a raging alcoholic and thought all druggies were scum of the earth while every time you went into his office you smelled liquor or beer.
But with this EtG test, it's not something they sell online AFAIK. It's something that's done in a lab setting.
Edited by Anonymous (04/15/12 12:18 PM)
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16093042 - 04/15/12 12:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #1 said:
we decided to just mix a bunch of cleaners together in a 5 gallon jug...
I can't remember what they were...
Unfortunately I looked at the bottles after we were done
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Anonymous #1
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #5]
#16093076 - 04/15/12 12:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #5 said:
Quote:
Anonymous #1 said:
we decided to just mix a bunch of cleaners together in a 5 gallon jug...
I can't remember what they were...
Unfortunately I looked at the bottles after we were done
Hey, we were in a hurry. Didn't have the proper chemicals that I use, which can only be bought at a store 40 minutes away that is closed on the weekends.
So we did just that. We had his son buy a shitload of outdoor cleaning supplies from Lowes and mixed them all together and ran it through my 3700psi pressure washer.
And guess what, it did great. Time will tell if it killed all his plants and bushes around the house, but that's what he decided to do.
It's just ridiculous to me that I literally have to check the ingredients of each and every thing that I put in my body or am exposed to.
I was thinking about going back over there to check the bottles, but we threw them in the trash and the trash truck came this morning at like 8am. I woke up at 11. So they are gone and I'm not even sure what exactly we used. I know one of them was a glass cleaner, so that's probably guaranteed to have some sort of alcohol in it to speed up evaporation.
At any rate, wish me luck. If I'm tested tomorrow I'll let you know the results Tues or Thurs when the results came back.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16093171 - 04/15/12 12:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Mixing bleach and ammonia is dangerous. Mixing random cleaning agents is dangerous.
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #5]
#16093502 - 04/15/12 03:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It was outside.
I told him if shit started smoking, just back away slowly.
And afaik there was no ammonia in any of the bottles. Anyways, that's the least of my worries right now. I'm only concerned about any ethyl alcohol contact.
Edited by Anonymous (04/15/12 03:05 PM)
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16097492 - 04/16/12 02:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, test was today. I'll get results tomorrow or Thursday. Or rather I won't get results. They'll just tell me if I failed for anything. If I passed, I won't hear anything about it, that's how the last test 3 weeks ago was.
I just hope I didn't dilute the sample too much. I was drinking mad tea and coffee since Saturday night.
Edited by Anonymous (04/16/12 02:55 PM)
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Anonymous #6
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16111388 - 04/19/12 02:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Wonder if OP is in jail yet.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #6]
#16111491 - 04/19/12 02:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nope I'm here.
They haven't said anything about it, so I assume all went well. Usually the tests take 24 hours to get the results back. Can you believe they ship the urine via air express to California for testing, when there are literally dozens of places in this area that can do the exact same thing?
I guess it has something to do with their contract to do testing for all people in the area that are under federal probation.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #6]
#16111510 - 04/19/12 02:48 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #6 said:
Wonder if OP is in jail yet.
Oh and it would be referred back to my case manager, who would refer it back to the court system, etc etc. If I failed it would take over a month to get a court day lined up. And then it might not even be jail time, or a couple of days at the most.
Ya know, gov't red tape and all, shit takes time.
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Anonymous #6
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16114254 - 04/20/12 01:11 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Fed probation eh? Thanks for the update. Next time don't make me ask 
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Re: EtG test possibly on monday, kinda worried about incidental contact [Re: Anonymous #6]
#16115970 - 04/20/12 01:41 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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No, I'm not on federal probation. It's just the center I go to for a DUI has a contract to handle federal probation UA's.
I'd shit myself if I was on federal probation. Actually there was one guy that was in our group that was on fed probation. He served in Iraq and Afghanistan and had the brilliant idea of taking apart an AKS (Full auto AK-47 with folding stock and shortened barrel) and ship it to his gf back in the states in like 30 pieces.
He put it together, fired it full auto a few times and got arrested on Federal gun charges. I feel bad for the guy. It was wrong for him to try and circumvent ATF laws, but he had massive PTSD and couldn't stay clean to save his life. He was in our group because he had multiple drunk in publics and like 3 DUI's over .20 .
Haven't seen him in like 3 weeks so I assume he's back in the federal pokey.
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