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 Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders 
#16082076 - 04/12/12 10:20 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ISC here,
After reading a recent Trip Report, I fell interest into Amanita Muscaria and its effects. I have been doing countless hours of research the past 2 weeks (as I do with all substances) and have mostly good vibes regarding the mysterious mushroom. My questions are only to regards of preparation and excretion, even though I have read many forums/articles of information, I can not seem to get a clear answer of these concerns.
Just a side note, I am a Christian and after researching the history of these mushrooms, the possible religious references and benefits peaked my interest. I know these fungi aren't particularly visual (at least while your in your body), but the mind trip and spiritual/religious benefits are what I seek most. My friend has his own views about AM and we choose to stay to ourselves about our personal reasons for use. I will be starting at 9g and adjusting to more if needed every hour after the initial 3 hours until I feel I'm good.
As I live in the NE United States, I do not have access currently to the Fly Agaric in the wild (30-50F temps at night). I will be purchasing an onion of Washington State Grade A++ Amanita Muscaria from IAmShaman.com. Being relatively experienced with psychedelics (Cubes a handful of times, and Lucy 3 times (1 solo trip on 6 hits), I will be preparing both mentally and spiritually for the new substance over the course of 16-24 hours.
After work on Sunday, I will come home, shower then go to my friends house and meditate with him by his fountain while the sun is setting. After, we will be attending Shpongle live at our local venue that night (maybe smoke but we won't be tripping there). After the show we are going to be staying at his place for the night and day tripping the next morning when we wake up. Only us 2 will be dosing and we will have 1-5 sober roommates with as at all times throughout the day.
I know I will be prepared for the experience mentally but I want to make sure the specimens are pristine. After contacting IAmShaman.com, I found out that their A++ AM's are dried in the shade at low temperatures. I've read that Ibotenic Acid decarbs at 150-200F into Muscimol. Will i need to decarb these AM's because they were dried at low temperatures, or are they fine to take as is. Also, what would be the best way to decarb if its necessary and I would like to mix them with cheese eggs for consumption if that matters (or other suggested ways).
My other concern is urination during the experience. I know the active ingredients are excreted with the urine and shamanistic rituals were held using this urine for intoxication. Do I need to hold it in to get the most out of the trip, not bother with caring, or use the urine as the sacrament like the ancient shamans.
Thank you for taking the time to read and I look forward to hearing your experienced opinions.
-ISC
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Its a very confusing disoriented trip. Its fun, but if your experienced with cubes, i wouldnt hold my breath.
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: Quest_ions]
#16082161 - 04/12/12 10:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome, thanks for your input, any hands on experience with my concerns?
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: Quest_ions]
#16082399 - 04/12/12 11:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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TheMushroomJesus said:
Its a very confusing disoriented trip. Its fun, but if your experienced with cubes, i wouldnt hold my breath.
Yeah, I've never been super impressed w/ Amanita and found it hard to retain any meaningful experiences / learning that I could weave into my life.
No need to hold your urine, you could try drinking it to boost the effects 
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: Owsley]
#16082519 - 04/12/12 11:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Don't have high expectations and you will be less disappointed
Relax and enjoy it for what it is
Not like psilocybe mushrooms
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: HarryL]
#16083090 - 04/13/12 02:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, why aren't Christians like you?!?! Seriously, if more Christians believed that an actual spiritual experience is achievable, then I'd harp on them much less.
Regarding Amanita Muscaria -I tried it once. Found a huge fresh specimen, pan fried it per advice from a local trusted identifier & mycologist, and ate it for dinner. Taste is okay, much better than psilocybes but still not gourmet.
The pan frying is supposed to have the same effects as drying them in an oven -to convert the nasty stuff to good stuff. But it didn't work for me. 45 minutes after eating it, I puked and then proceeded to have a fairly unpleasant drunk feeling. Like the worst drunk feeling when you drink too much and get the spins.
Needless to say, I am not in a hurry to try 'em again. I might try a different preparation method- maybe a tea.
I went hunting for them last Friday and was going to be content to only take photos and have fun with the hunt. But I wasn't going to take any specimens.
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: Owsley]
#16084132 - 04/13/12 11:32 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Recycling urine not only increases potency (80% Muscimol excreted unchanged) but also clarifies... and search "urine therapy"; when not for shamanic practice it is a widely used practice medicinally.
190F is often said to be the temp of decarboxylization of Ibotenic to musc.
Make sure dry complete (cracker-dry) and finally expose tea to sunlight for remaining Ia to muscazone (neutral).
Also read about converting/drying on a temp-adjustable electric plate, dunno the thread. My dog fried in oil without temp-checker and also vomited.
However a few properly shade dried, tead with candy thermometer temp check and finally exposed to sunlight to remove remaining traces of I.a. and drinking living waters then few fruit-bodies would needed.
Once proper I.D. is made; powder well and mix to homogenize potency.
Take care.
Fresh:
The dog got some slight effects nibbling fresh mushroom in the coastline woods of Northern California; brightening of colors, sharpening of vision and a subtle euphoric energy.
The mushroom bite was held for some time, slowly chewed in his mouth before swallowing (he saw other animals had been nibbling on these mushrooms as well).
Fried:
Once back from his walk, he stir-fried two caps, and kept going back to stir fry them more... and so ate them (slowly more cooked) over the course of 30 minutes. He got sweaty, sleepy, and then nauseous, vomited briefly but felt strangely good, almost jovial, the couch amazingly comfortable, colors strangely and strongly intensified, after vomiting he received a call from an "authority figure" and felt strangely attuned; mentally acute... This experience lasted a little over 2 hours.
Dried/Roasted/Recycled:
It was only later that month that he had the courage to follow the ancient ways of urine recycling did a full trip ensue one afternoon in the desert; a voyage like none he before or since experienced.
The three caps were mostly shade dried with desiccant in a jar; before the two mature ones were mixed, ground in vodka to be steeped for 2 days, and the final young near-button mushroom being further dessicated before go time; when it was slowly roasted over a fire.
He ate the whole young one and drank most of the vodka, maybe 6oz he downed of the 8oz. Sitting by the fire, he would fill a spoon with liquid and heat it until it began to almost simmer before drinking it down. It didn't taste good, but he was feeling good when it came time to urinate. This he caught in a fine beer glass and drank quickly. Then he rejoined his companions and sipped a beer. He drank alternately water and beer that night, and soon had to pee again.This he drank quickly as before. Feelings of pleasure and excitement begin to ramp up. He comes into a very good humor. He pees into his cup again and drinks most of the golden brew then splashes the rest on the ground... he has had his dose.
It is hard to explain the events that occurred next. The dog seemed to be totally aware of the NOW. He was connected also to an ancestral past that is present here NOW. He experienced the great I AM.
He managed to fall to the ground, get shot at multiple times; alternating from screaming hysterical grandeur to great sobbings (which proceeded the rifle and revolver shots to the ground at his feet); and then standing and resolving to himself he would show himself his true nature and power in the now.
Resolving that he is to influence the future events around him to the specific aim of without words or gestures get his friends to follow him 30 feet or so up the mountain they had set up camp at the base of. Picturing this in mind, and knowing that, without a doubt it was to become reality; as good as was it; and he strode purposefully up the mountain past his friends; seeing in his minds eye them following and stopping behind him to form a triangle, which he would then walk down thru between them and back to camp. This all happened just as he for-saw, without a word being said.
He went from extremely excited to a calm and mellow plateau quickly, feeling expended but very reasonable; compared to his actions 20 minutes prior: he was looking back on the events that had just occurred with near disbelief... It was a long, eventful night, he was not quite ready for. He slept very well. He did not have any sweating or nausea to speak of. He felt the entire experience was greatly improved after the first pass, which likely worked to remove toxins.
Blessings.
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: flickedbic]
#16085344 - 04/13/12 04:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me on the issues I was having flickedbic, good vibes to you my friend. Any others have different opinions.
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Amanita quite interesting, one of most interesting mushroom I think. To me, quite strange.. I have equated psilocybin type mushrooms with nervous system cleaning (clearing out junk) but with Amanita's (all just theory of course..) more so with cleaning out/overcoming fear (a strange, intersting concept), An increased strength.. yet I do not know... such is just speculation...
I do not particularly desire amanita, or many mushroom for that matter... but do find them quite interesting.. Having tried them.. they do seem more profound/deep, yet more subtle/harder to understand/less noticeable than regular psilocybin mushrooms.. Such seems more ancient mushroom, perhaps one of most ancient mushrooms...
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: flickedbic]
#16085961 - 04/13/12 07:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hey flickedbic, very interesting report, you should tell your dog not to be too worried about concealing his identity, though, these aren't even illegal
Don't forget to bring a towel
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: flickedbic]
#16086499 - 04/13/12 09:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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awesome report flickedbic.
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curiositydream said:
Amanita quite interesting, one of most interesting mushroom I think. To me, quite strange.. I have equated psilocybin type mushrooms with nervous system cleaning (clearing out junk) but with Amanita's (all just theory of course..) more so with cleaning out/overcoming fear (a strange, intersting concept), An increased strength.. yet I do not know... such is just speculation...
I do not particularly desire amanita, or many mushroom for that matter... but do find them quite interesting.. Having tried them.. they do seem more profound/deep, yet more subtle/harder to understand/less noticeable than regular psilocybin mushrooms.. Such seems more ancient mushroom, perhaps one of most ancient mushrooms...
this resonates with my second experience with amanita. i no longer have a NEED to try it, but there is an overwhelming sense of curiosity. it definitely earned my respect as it is a very powerful deliriant. i've picked several since my two experiences, but have felt an odd sense that i still wasn't ready to eat of them again. i most definitely will again at some point in the future, but for me, i would feel much better with extensive preparation.
OP, please make it a priority to appoint a sitter. i would recommend a fast beforehand, or at least consuming them on an empty stomach. for my first time, i ate 1 large cap that i had picked. i had fasted for two days beforehand, and i purged the 1 cap within 25 minutes of consumption. my second experience i ate 4 caps that i had picked, and the vomiting was only suppressed because i smoked a bowl immediately after. even so, i could actually feel the urge to vomit work its way down my digestive system so that i purged them through a bowel movement within 30 minutes of consumption. both experiences of mine were accompanied with heavy sweating and salivation. with 1 cap (my first experience), i was overcome with an acuteness of the senses and a great burst of energy that i could only let out by exercising in my room. after about an hour, i fell asleep into a night of beautiful lucid dreams and awoke the next day in rejuvenated in euphoria.
the second experience was with 4 caps, and i didn't appoint a sitter. i blew it, basically. my family thought i was dying because i wasn't able to even respond to them. HOWEVER, this was the best day of my life, and the most grand spiritual experience i have to date. i say that hoping you won't read too much into it and expect grandiose visions, because i feel you might kill the experience expecting too much. BUT i went into it after reading a lot about its mysterious sacramental use, and i definitely experienced what i expected. for 3 days afterward i felt more fearless, appreciative, open, and assured of the existence of my soul than i had ever felt before. i have a picture of that very mushroom as the background on my phone to this day so that i'm reminded of it constantly. the only thing i could do to express my appreciation was fast for those 3 days and declare the unwavering confidence of my decision to eat poisonous mushrooms to my family. of course, this isn't taken very well and is still a point of conflict between us. if you'd like to read my trip report, you can find it on the second page of this thread near the bottom.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15644485/page/1/fpart/2/vc/1
my preparation for both times was to bake them in the oven at 375 degrees for 20 minutes. i can't link you to where i found this preparation, but it was referred to as "the magic 20 minutes," and you might be able to find it that way. i can tell you, though, that they tasted delicious. BUT, if i were you, i'd probably follow these instructions:
Quote:
flickedbic said:
Recycling urine not only increases potency (80% Muscimol excreted unchanged) but also clarifies... and search "urine therapy"; when not for shamanic practice it is a widely used practice medicinally.
190F is often said to be the temp of decarboxylization of Ibotenic to musc.
Make sure dry complete (cracker-dry) and finally expose tea to sunlight for remaining Ia to muscazone (neutral).
Also read about converting/drying on a temp-adjustable electric plate, dunno the thread. My dog fried in oil without temp-checker and also vomited.
However a few properly shade dried, tead with candy thermometer temp check and finally exposed to sunlight to remove remaining traces of I.a. and drinking living waters then few fruit-bodies would needed.
Once proper I.D. is made; powder well and mix to homogenize potency.
Take care.
Fresh:
The dog got some slight effects nibbling fresh mushroom in the coastline woods of Northern California; brightening of colors, sharpening of vision and a subtle euphoric energy.
The mushroom bite was held for some time, slowly chewed in his mouth before swallowing (he saw other animals had been nibbling on these mushrooms as well).
Fried:
Once back from his walk, he stir-fried two caps, and kept going back to stir fry them more... and so ate them (slowly more cooked) over the course of 30 minutes. He got sweaty, sleepy, and then nauseous, vomited briefly but felt strangely good, almost jovial, the couch amazingly comfortable, colors strangely and strongly intensified, after vomiting he received a call from an "authority figure" and felt strangely attuned; mentally acute... This experience lasted a little over 2 hours.
Dried/Roasted/Recycled:
It was only later that month that he had the courage to follow the ancient ways of urine recycling did a full trip ensue one afternoon in the desert; a voyage like none he before or since experienced.
The three caps were mostly shade dried with desiccant in a jar; before the two mature ones were mixed, ground in vodka to be steeped for 2 days, and the final young near-button mushroom being further dessicated before go time; when it was slowly roasted over a fire.
He ate the whole young one and drank most of the vodka, maybe 6oz he downed of the 8oz. Sitting by the fire, he would fill a spoon with liquid and heat it until it began to almost simmer before drinking it down. It didn't taste good, but he was feeling good when it came time to urinate. This he caught in a fine beer glass and drank quickly. Then he rejoined his companions and sipped a beer. He drank alternately water and beer that night, and soon had to pee again.This he drank quickly as before. Feelings of pleasure and excitement begin to ramp up. He comes into a very good humor. He pees into his cup again and drinks most of the golden brew then splashes the rest on the ground... he has had his dose.
It is hard to explain the events that occurred next. The dog seemed to be totally aware of the NOW. He was connected also to an ancestral past that is present here NOW. He experienced the great I AM.
He managed to fall to the ground, get shot at multiple times; alternating from screaming hysterical grandeur to great sobbings (which proceeded the rifle and revolver shots to the ground at his feet); and then standing and resolving to himself he would show himself his true nature and power in the now.
Resolving that he is to influence the future events around him to the specific aim of without words or gestures get his friends to follow him 30 feet or so up the mountain they had set up camp at the base of. Picturing this in mind, and knowing that, without a doubt it was to become reality; as good as was it; and he strode purposefully up the mountain past his friends; seeing in his minds eye them following and stopping behind him to form a triangle, which he would then walk down thru between them and back to camp. This all happened just as he for-saw, without a word being said.
He went from extremely excited to a calm and mellow plateau quickly, feeling expended but very reasonable; compared to his actions 20 minutes prior: he was looking back on the events that had just occurred with near disbelief... It was a long, eventful night, he was not quite ready for. He slept very well. He did not have any sweating or nausea to speak of. He felt the entire experience was greatly improved after the first pass, which likely worked to remove toxins.
Blessings.
and one more thing i would tell you is to start another thread asking about the potency of marketed amanitas, because every report i've heard from them has said they are much less potent, and i'd have no idea how much to tell you consume of them.
also, i haven't drank the urine, but it smells very inviting. i'm sure i will on my next run.
god bless you, and i hope you'll have a great story to tell afterwards. post it here or link it here so that we may read. i'm very interested to hear others' spiritual experiences with this mushroom.
remember, though, the key word is "deliriant." be safe and godspeed.
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DRINK YOUR PEE MAN! 
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: psilocybeMAN]
#16088601 - 04/14/12 11:53 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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psilocybeMAN said:
DRINK YOUR PEE MAN!
If for no other reason this is why I will stick with Psilocybin mushrooms!
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: Owsley]
#16089094 - 04/14/12 02:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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here is a link to the spiritual believers in christ who associate with amanitas.
http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/
also, check the link in my signature to help with making tea from them and doing extractions.
it can be a very spiritual experience.
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Re: Acquired Amanita Ascending Need XP Ascenders [Re: Salomon]
#16093504 - 04/15/12 03:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks all for the great info and support! I will be going to shpongle tonight in RVA and will be ready for a spiritual enlightenment tomorrow or maybe Tuesday as I think Im going to fast for the rest of today and all day tomorrow.
I know I haven't been here much but honestly I feel connected more with you guys than I do with people I've known for 10+ years haha. Sucks being new to virginia I would love to have an experienced sitter to get to know and chill with around here, most of my friends aren't into the tools that we are besides getting "fucked up".
Anywho thanks a bunch again and if anyone would like to add more or meet up at Shpongle tonight at The National I'll be chilling on the forums here until the show.
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How 'bout it OP? got an update on how it went?
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