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 Maito
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Brainwashing, man. 
Genius.
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 Re: large labia  [Re: Maito] 2
#16073529 - 04/11/12 02:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry, but I think vaginal plastic surgery is fucking bullshit.
You're not even doing it to enhance sexual feeling (as a matter of fact the surgery may very well reduce sensitivity), you're only doing it to turn your vagina into an "aesthetically pleasing" vagina.
The concept of what is a "pretty" vagina is purely derived from the standards of pornography.
All vaginas will get you off, it's completely unnecessary. This whole idea of fucking up your sexual sensitivity and feel just to get a visually "pretty" vagina is just bull. That's the one surgery I would never, ever get.
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Thus, me taking control of my sexuality is my big way of saying "FUCK YOU" to the institution, and another "FUCK YOU" to the patriarchy!  
Edited by Crystal G (04/11/12 02:41 AM)
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Crystal G said:The concept of what is a "pretty" vagina is purely derived from the standards of pornography.
That's what I was thinking..
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 koraks
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But that ideal image in pornography comes from somewhere as well. Blaming it all on porn seems like a cheap shot - why doesn't porn feature large labia? Still, beauty is to a large extent a social construct, I agree with that. But even if that is the case, there appears to be a compelling force in most people to comply to some extent with the socially constructed norms of beauty. Is that 'fucking bullshit' in all cases? Should women stop wearing high heels and should men stop grooming/shaving altogether?
You just draw the line at some arbitrary point, and so do other people. If I were a woman, I wouldn't even consider undergoing this type of surgery, but neither would I even think of putting it away as bullshit for everyone else. If some women want to suffer 6+ weeks to look pretty down there, who are you to ridicule them? I'd say that's even more disrespectful than the notion of beauty as a social construct.
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Maito said:
Women have knack for taking shit the wrong way.
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naturesrevolt said:
Women can be weird like that.
I know, especially when you don't really mean it. 
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Re: large labia [Re: koraks]
#16074712 - 04/11/12 12:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I know, especially when you don't really mean it.
But I always mean it...
I agree that aesthetic plastic surgery on a sexual organ is never necessary but remember that this case may also be that the labia can be too big and causing issues (2-3" overhang on a small mound may medically be too much on some forms).
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naturesrevolt said:
(2-3" overhang on a small mound may medically be too much on some forms).
What does the bold mean? Rephrase?
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kinkymangodance said:
Not gonna lie, my girlfriend has incredibly large labia lips, they hangs down probably 2-3 inches more than the other parts.
This is what I meant.
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I understood the measurement, which is why I specified the bold part. What does "medically too much" have to do with that explanation?
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Re: large labia [Re: CureCat]
#16075024 - 04/11/12 01:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Do you lips hang low
Do they dangle to and fro
Can you tie em in a knot
Can you tie em in a bow
Can you throw em over your shoulder
Like a captain or a soldier
Do your lips hang low
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Re: large labia [Re: koraks] 1
#16075238 - 04/11/12 02:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said:
But that ideal image in pornography comes from somewhere as well. Blaming it all on porn seems like a cheap shot - why doesn't porn feature large labia? Still, beauty is to a large extent a social construct, I agree with that. But even if that is the case, there appears to be a compelling force in most people to comply to some extent with the socially constructed norms of beauty. Is that 'fucking bullshit' in all cases? Should women stop wearing high heels and should men stop grooming/shaving altogether?
You just draw the line at some arbitrary point, and so do other people. If I were a woman, I wouldn't even consider undergoing this type of surgery, but neither would I even think of putting it away as bullshit for everyone else. If some women want to suffer 6+ weeks to look pretty down there, who are you to ridicule them? I'd say that's even more disrespectful than the notion of beauty as a social construct.
So, in other words, if we were to derive standards from mainstream pornography, "beauty" is defined as white, blonde, with big breasts, big butt, and a completely shaven, "pretty" vagina. Is that right?
If we were to follow the standards of "beauty" for men in porn, they would be hairy, gorilla-like, and have 12 inch penises.
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Men who have a fear of women who exert control of their sexualities, know that they wouldn't be able to control or easily manipulate women who are aggressive, dominant, or defiant. Women who refuse to passively cooperate or adhere to stereotypical gender roles. So they use social stigma and social shame and call us "sluts" to try to implant fear and guilt in us, in an effort to control and coerce our behaviors. It is a completely selfish philosophy that stems from the belief that they OWN women.
Thus, me taking control of my sexuality is my big way of saying "FUCK YOU" to the institution, and another "FUCK YOU" to the patriarchy!
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Crystal G said:
So, in other words, if we were to derive standards from mainstream pornography, "beauty" is defined as white, blonde, with big breasts, big butt, and a completely shaven, "pretty" vagina. Is that right?
It doesn't matter what specific criteria you derive from pornography. My post was about women who want themselves to look pretty by standards that they choose.
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Re: large labia [Re: koraks]
#16075288 - 04/11/12 02:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said:
It doesn't matter what specific criteria you derive from pornography. My post was about women who want themselves to look pretty by standards that they choose.
Who is to say that their choices aren't shaped and influenced largely by the media?
In the area where I live, women largely think what is beautiful is what they see on Playboy--in other words, blonde, D cups, very thin... individuality is no longer part of the model. Individuality is not what is considered beautiful, more than looking like you came from the same mold.
People internalize the standards and concepts of what is beautiful from popular imagery. What is considered "beautiful" today is not what was considered "beautiful" 100-500 years ago. Women today are achieving impossibly high standards of beauty thanks to the advent of plastic surgery.
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Men who have a fear of women who exert control of their sexualities, know that they wouldn't be able to control or easily manipulate women who are aggressive, dominant, or defiant. Women who refuse to passively cooperate or adhere to stereotypical gender roles. So they use social stigma and social shame and call us "sluts" to try to implant fear and guilt in us, in an effort to control and coerce our behaviors. It is a completely selfish philosophy that stems from the belief that they OWN women.
Thus, me taking control of my sexuality is my big way of saying "FUCK YOU" to the institution, and another "FUCK YOU" to the patriarchy!
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Crystal G said:
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koraks said:
It doesn't matter what specific criteria you derive from pornography. My post was about women who want themselves to look pretty by standards that they choose.
Who is to say that their choices aren't shaped and influenced largely by the media?
Yeah, sure they are - and so what? Would you suggest people grow up in a social vacuum so they can develop 'pure' norms?
What is the problem, really? That some women feel inadequate in terms of their physical appearance? You think that didn't happen 500 years ago? Ever heard of Helen, over whom the Trojan war was allegedly started? Apparently even the ancient Greeks (and Trojans...) were obsessed with beauty.
What is the point in blaming the media and pornography for something that is inherently human?
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Re: large labia [Re: CureCat]
#16075973 - 04/11/12 05:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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CureCat said:
I understood the measurement, which is why I specified the bold part. What does "medically too much" have to do with that explanation?
As in it causes medical issues like chaffing-soreness from normal clothing, constant infections, rashes, etc.
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As in it causes medical issues like chaffing-soreness from normal clothing, constant infections, rashes, etc.
Really? I could imagine chafing being an issue, but then again, I have never heard of anyone complain of such a thing, even anonymously or in confidence. Hmm... I'll have to look that up.
Constant infection and rashes?? Geez, really? If so, that sucks and I could see why someone would consider surgery for reasons other than strictly cosmetic.
Just curious, how do you know of this? Did you look it up, or know someone with these issues, or..?
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Re: large labia [Re: CureCat]
#16076391 - 04/11/12 06:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Aaahhh... I just looked up some topics on labial chafing and labiaplasty. Damn. Quite a few posts from people with extreme discomfort or pain before and after the surgery. So I guess it is one of those things that is really only a good idea if it is causing enough irritation that it interferes with your life, and seriously effects your psychological well-being, because you could end up with far worse discomfort, and even less able to engage in normal activities.
Haven't found anything about increased rate of infection.
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Re: large labia [Re: CureCat]
#16076917 - 04/11/12 08:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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90% of the time plastic surgery is obvious and frankly, unattractive.
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Re: large labia [Re: Lynnch]
#16076997 - 04/11/12 09:04 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Like a bulldog with a with a mouthful of mayo.. big lips can be quite nice...
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I'm turning 20-something in a few weeks. I'll plead ignorance and say I had previously thought big lips meant the girl was loose and had been around. That's probably just because I had been getting with younger girls and now that I'm getting older I'm seeing a variation and it's surprising to me.
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