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 ecoad3d
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 PinHeads Appear After Contam. 
#16063597 - 04/09/12 02:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Hello everyone! I am a new user and this is my first post, so please excuse me if I ask silly questions or if I have posted this in the wrong section
So I have a contamination dilemma. I have a jar which seemed to be contaminated but I was not sure because it also seemed that I had let it dry out by not allowing it any FAE or even any gas exchange at that. I figured I would pour some distilled water into the jar and that would either replenish the cake and help the mycelium grow or help make the con tam more noticeable.
What I got is this jar which is clearly contaminated with what looks like some sort of dark green bacteria. The contam. is only at the bottom of the jar while the top is filled with fully colonized mycelium. The strange part is that the mycelium has progressed over the last few days and I see several pin heads that were not there before.
MY question is can i salvage these mushies? Can I separate the bottom part of the cake from the top somehow? and if i did, would they be safe to eat?
Also I'm thinking of just putting the jar itself into my FC to see if the mushrooms will just grow upward form the jar, is it recommended i go against this> Can the jar contaminate my other cakesS?
Thankyou very much for all your time, I hope to get several opinions and responses. Sorry for the load of questions.
There are around 8 pin heads that grew after I added the water, It would be great if i could harvest them
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 Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: ecoad3d]
#16063738 - 04/09/12 03:01 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Now I'm not one of the expert cultivators on this site, so I definitely welcome others to correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've gathered over the last few years of getting into cultivation, the pinning process is being brought on by the contamination; your mushies are taking any resources the've gathered thus far & attempting to "out-run" the mold by beating it's life-cycle.
You do risk the chance of contaminating your other cakes by placing that in your FC, & honestly when in doubt, throw it out. You may see some fruiting, but the chances of the mold getting onto any fully grown mushrooms is not something worth jeopardizing.
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It's honestly not worth keeping that jar around. A couple fruits that will probably make you sick upon eating, releasing that bacteria into your environment possibly causing other sickness, and contaminating your entire fruiting chamber.
I wish you better results next time.
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Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: Crypt Keeper]
#16066974 - 04/09/12 09:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Jars will stall from lack of air but they won't dry out. Simply allowing for gas exchange should have allowed it to finish. I'm pretty sure you contaminated an otherwise healthy cake by injecting that water  The only way to safely try to salvage them would be to birth and fruit that jar outside to prevent any contaminant spores from filling your home. Any healthy appearing mushrooms that grow would be safe to eat.
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 Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: Kizzle]
#16068549 - 04/10/12 03:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kizzle said:
Jars will stall from lack of air but they won't dry out. Simply allowing for gas exchange should have allowed it to finish. I'm pretty sure you contaminated an otherwise healthy cake by injecting that water The only way to safely try to salvage them would be to birth and fruit that jar outside to prevent any contaminant spores from filling your home. Any healthy appearing mushrooms that grow would be safe to eat.
You should really read what people write, I said that I added the water after it was already contaminated.
And as for why this jar dried up; this was my first time growing, and I read somewhere that it was "a good idea" to tape the 4 holes on the lid of your half pint jar. I realized that that was a terrible idea afterwords and this one really dried up. All my other cakes did fine, though a little dry. I made sure to dunk and roll the other ones so now they're coming along nicely.
Re-read what I actually wrote and please, if you have something that can actually help me SAY IT.
Thank you for your time
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Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: Crypt Keeper]
#16068565 - 04/10/12 03:58 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Crypt Keeper said:
It's honestly not worth keeping that jar around. A couple fruits that will probably make you sick upon eating, releasing that bacteria into your environment possibly causing other sickness, and contaminating your entire fruiting chamber.
I wish you better results next time.
So what if fruited that one jar in a small fruiting chamber. I can set up a small FC that just contains that one jar. My idea was to just pour them more water through the verm layer at the top of the jar, and fruit them in side the jar, and hope that they would rise up. Ive seen shrooms grow upwards like that in several strange TEK videos.
But if I successfully harvest the mushies, would it really do me harm if I ingest them?
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Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: ecoad3d]
#16073695 - 04/11/12 03:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quick update on the mushies, Still looking for any advice on what to do with these. They're totally growing.
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Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: ecoad3d]
#16074325 - 04/11/12 10:01 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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How warm is it outside, cause you could fruit it outside
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Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: Smokey-hitz]
#16074384 - 04/11/12 10:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I suppose I can't foresee what would make you feel so compelled to harvest those few fruits out the jar, as eating them really could make you very sick, but your best option is just putting it outside. The contamination in that jar is the last thing you want flowing freely throughout your home, as well as ruining your perfectly good cultures or your growing space.
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Kizzle
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But if I successfully harvest the mushies, would it really do me harm if I ingest them?
No. People eat mushrooms off of manure out in pastures all the time without getting sick and those are loaded with bacteria and mold. Any toxins in the substrate will not be absorbed into the mushrooms. It's a different story if there is contamination is on the actual mushroom but that is rarely the case with fresh, newly grown mushrooms.
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Re: PinHeads Appear After Contam. [Re: Kizzle]
#16077783 - 04/11/12 11:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks guys that was a lot more informative, I really appreciate it. I'm still a little confused with whether they are good or bad to eat after grown (there were mixed responses).
Also I live in the upper east side of the US so its around 55-70f this week, I believe it might just be a little too cold to grow outside..
What do you guys think?
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