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 Re: the current generation of americans  [Re: Jessica Swift]
#16032548 - 04/02/12 09:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Actually I like cats. I love watching kittens. I might get a cat one day for the dogs. I like a variety of energies and I could live with squirrels too. I once owned five cats when I lived on the ranch. They do a lot of good if you have rodent problems.
But dogs rule, you just can't (imo) get enough out of cats especially if you want outdoor companionship. I've owned a lot of them, trained professionally a lot more, and done a lot of rescue and volunteer work on dog rehab. One of the reasons I can't stand humanity is what I've seen done to dogs.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Icelander]
#16032601 - 04/02/12 09:45 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I generally love all animals. I'm trying to be a negative Nancy here. 
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Jessica Swift]
#16032691 - 04/02/12 10:23 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You evil bitch!
One of my favorite things is interspecies friendships between dogs and cats. When they bond it's really cool and often hysterical.
I once had a wolf mix that I used to hike along a river off leash in Michigan many years ago. I also had a really great gray short hair cat with the most intense yellow eyes. That cat would pack up with us on these hikes along the river and we would travel for miles at times. When we stopped to rest the cat would lay off about twenty feet away and no closer. Then we'd go off again. Man I loved that cat and her son Rufus which was a huge white long hair with gray on it's face. He was easily twice a big as she was. When She was killed by a car on a dirt road Rufus pined away and finally went missing. I found him dead on the exact place Charlie was killed, also hit by a car. True story.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16033536 - 04/02/12 02:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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seriously this place has a mind of its own. i dont know many where you can openly discuss such a wide variety of topics, from death to psychedelics to religion to non-duality and so on. it might be related to the fact that it grew around the use of magic mushrooms but i could be wrong  
Ah yes, something tells me all mysticism may have stemmed from entheogens. At least to get the train going.
actually i was talking with this kid the other day who has had a few mystical experiences, and he's never smoked weed. Though his dad is a rasta.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Satyapriya]
#16034127 - 04/02/12 04:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Good point. Sure, or what about some of the other social issues tied into the rise and spread of the internet and computer technology? Child pornography for instance, identity theft, social isolation...etc. There are plenty of dangers present. That is why we have to take active steps towards creating a better system, in order to combat each of these problems, just as we try to do with our governments. But it just takes time.
The internet has the potential to connect and enlighten the people of this planet. Already we can communicate practically instantaneously with people on the other side of the Earth, to keep in touch, talk about politics, to play a game of chess...etc. That has a huge effect on the collective mind of a country. Take for instance the situation between Iran and Israel:
"It is not possible to dial an Iranian number from an Israeli telephone. It will simply not go through. That lack of communication stems from the government level, where there is no dialogue between the two countries aside from public speeches meant to carry weighty threats of war to each camp." - http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-19/middleeast/world_meast_israel-iran-social-media_1_iranians-nuclear-weapon-bombing-iran-nuclear-sites?_s=PM:MIDDLEEAST
Yet now through the internet communication IS possible between citizens of Iran and Isreal, through facebook even. While their governments are set up to create separation and monger fear, the internet is set up to connect, unify, and to shed light on the possibility that hey, perhaps there isn't so much to fear after all 
Probably the main the reason I love the internet so much is because it has allowed me to search for, and find, truth. Simple as that. Had the internet not been around I would probably have not had the confidence to question my family's religion, which was forced onto me as a child. I probably wouldn't have had the confidence to question our own government, which has created unspeakable suffering throughout the world.
Timothy Leary once said "The internet is the LSD of the 90's."
I think that's totally true. Honestly I feel like the internet is going to become like the DMT of the 21st century 
Your use of the internet does not represent everyone's use. There were many who went insane from the use of LSD, or jumped out of windows, or even used it for brainwashing experiments. No matter how magic you might hold LSD to be on a personal level, history reveals its nature in a broader scheme. I don't see how the internet is any different. Or any of the other major tools that have existed throughout history. They lead to a variety of outcomes, and none of them shift the balance in the end run.
Putting all of your hope in the internet for something that has never happened is IMO destined to lead to disappointment. And I love the internet. It's where I find my sangha, one of the Three Jewels I take refuge in.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle] 1
#16034627 - 04/02/12 06:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The jury is still out on the internet IMO. Too early too tell.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16034666 - 04/02/12 06:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Would you be willing to bet against the same pattern of history repeating? I'd take you up if you are. After just 20 years it seems like the same cycles repeating already. Some use it for spiritual means, many use it for strictly personal gain, and prostitution in the form of porn continues on strong as ever (e.g., Gilgamesh).
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16034726 - 04/02/12 07:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The jury is still out on the internet IMO. Too early too tell.
Thats the first reasonable thing I've heard you say about the internet. 
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle]
#16035091 - 04/02/12 08:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Is in serious trouble imo
The wealth and prosperity of those who earned it the hard
Is that truly the case? I thought that for example people could drop out of high school and get a solid job? Perhaps not a lawyer but at least a significant career? However I do agree that overall the kids truly seem like they are lacking the essentials to become any kind of productive member of society generally speaking.
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Not sure what you're asking there. People can do a great many things.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle]
#16035139 - 04/02/12 08:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I can't get a job myself so I guess I'm in the same boat. 
Luckily my dad can give me a good paying job. 
They also pay for my tuition and rent. I'm spoiled.
Good thing I'm not an American. 
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle]
#16035157 - 04/02/12 08:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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No I agree I was just kind of elaborating on maybe people didnt truly earn it the hard way all of the time when it was much easier to find work. Sure the kids being born now days seem to take it more and more for granted but they also have it harder than their parents and grand parents in some ways too.
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oh, I see. i think every generation is in some form of trouble and consistently an emotional mess. just pointing out the current ugliness as that's what's relevant to me.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle]
#16035369 - 04/02/12 09:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Would you be willing to bet against the same pattern of history repeating? I'd take you up if you are. After just 20 years it seems like the same cycles repeating already. Some use it for spiritual means, many use it for strictly personal gain, and prostitution in the form of porn continues on strong as ever (e.g., Gilgamesh).
Hard to say, the current state of technology seems to be unprecedented in all of history. Maybe we are moving to a critical mass of technology-induced-noospheric-evolution.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle]
#16035759 - 04/02/12 10:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I find it pretty amusing that you use a link showing what people are using the internet for and then go on to say that the internet will in some imagined future be a huge catalyst for change. The world wide web was introduced in 1992. That's 20 years. When exactly will the miracles start happening?
The internet already has catalysed change on a mass scale. Smartphones, e-commerce, banking/trading, social networks, rapid transfer of knowledge. Now we have clouds and grids. 20 years.
Open access research repositories + billions of people willing to learn = impending explosion in something. The future of science is looking rosy.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: crkhd]
#16035978 - 04/02/12 11:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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No matter what comes around it leads to change. But none of the changes have lead to the perfect world that is dreamed up. The way people continue to believe its coming with each new technology, that it's just a few moments away despite being proved wrong so many times seems to me good evidence that nothing significant really changes with humans though. If the internet fails to deliver, it's whatever comes after it. If that fails, the next thing. And on and on and on the dreaming happens, never actually looking at the horrid state of affairs. Dream on, nothing at all will suffer for future oriented movement. Manifest destiny and all that 
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: Kickle]
#16035987 - 04/02/12 11:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: White Beard]
#16036051 - 04/02/12 11:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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porn aint prostitution its a total improvement lol
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: White Beard]
#16036124 - 04/02/12 11:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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If the goalposts are always being moved ahead as tomorrow's perfect world is essentially more perfect each and every time then sure no generation will be satisfied.
Still, the incidence of violent deaths and general suffering is rapidly decreasing over the millenia. We're working up Maslow's heirarchy - hell, the collective sum of human works has allowed at least the first world nations to go beyond merely living to survive. Now the ballgame is an emotional one and the internet is really bringing this out to play.
Ultimately Earth is one big chemical reaction. A reaction where the equilibrium point still strongly favours assholes but at least not the superjerks of yesteryear.
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Re: the current generation of americans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16036303 - 04/03/12 12:43 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hard to say, the current state of technology seems to be unprecedented in all of history. Maybe we are moving to a critical mass of technology-induced-noospheric-evolution.
I think we are. I believe that we have a unique opportunity to develop a higher species-wide consciousness through the use of the Internet. I think this can be measured by the degree of future shock that people feel. The generation before mine isn't that comfortable with computers. I know many people in the generation before that who still believe that computers are the devil that put men out of jobs.
I don't think it will be too long until someone invents a device that allows the user to feel a close approximation to someone else's subjective experience of life. I think when this day comes there will be an exponential increase in human empathy which might be the thing that saves us.
The main problem, as I see it, is that the gap in thinking between those in control and the next generation is wider than ever. This could lead to conflict.
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