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ideally. Why should one guy get a bunch of money for delivering less value when for the same wage more than one person could bet paid a lesser amount and improve productivity of the company and the economy of the region?
In any case, this seems awfully like an appeal to consequences anyways, so i don't know what difference it makes what zappa wants. The world is as it is.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: johnm214]
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That's your vision for what America should become?
ideally.
At least you're honest. 
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Why should one guy get a bunch of money for delivering less value when for the same wage more than one person could bet paid a lesser amount and improve productivity of the company and the economy of the region?
No one said you should give more to a person that delivers less. The argument was whether you should give less to a person that delivers the same. Essentially making someone who's not well off even worse off.
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In any case, this seems awfully like an appeal to consequences anyways, so i don't know what difference it makes what zappa wants. The world is as it is.
I'm not saying anything is true or false based on the consequences. Just that I prefer one set of consequences over another.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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It would be beneficial to the greater human population if there were fewer layabout non-contributors sucking the blood sweat and toil of the rest of us. A host organism can only tolerate so many parasites before both the host and the parasites die.
This post from the political cartoons thread is appropriate:
American production has almsot doubled in the last 30 years while income remains flat.
Why? Because business owners steal every extra penny we make for them, and try to convince us we're just parasites who don't deserve the extra income we make for the the business. The more we make, the more they keep. The graph above proves it.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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If I can find any mook on the street to do your job tell me why I should give the job to you and not the mook who will work for less... If I can replace you with a cheaper moron that is your fault, not mine and not the cheaper morons.
In your ideal world zappa, the people willing to work for crap wages are the ones who get the jobs, and people who want a fair wage get no job at all (and no unemployment if you had things your way). No minimum wage either, and no health insurance for those who work their asses off for $2/hour.
That's your vision for what America should become?
My vision is that talent and hard work gets rewarded and mediocrity and sloth do not. Nobody works their ass of for $2 an hour and nobody works their ass for minimum wage, which is about 4 times higher. All these dingbats bandy about the words "fair" and "affordable". Let me tackle these separately.
"Fair" This brings me back to high school and early college. Certain mediocrities would score poorly on a test while others did well. Their first recourse was that the test was not "fair". Of course the test was fair. Everybody got the same questions. You just suck.
"Affordable" What is affordable for one is not affordable for another. I recently read a letter in the NY Times by some whiny jackass who said that at the age of 45 he had a medical problem he couldn't "afford". It was a piddling $20,000. He didn't have insurance. I would like to point out that he chose not to have insurance and that if he had had it it would have cost far more than that over the course of 20 odd years. Fuck the freeloading cunt. Pay your bill and stop whining that your loss obligates me to cover it. Your failure to properly plan does not constitute a crisis for me, grasshopper. If you think it does I am damn well going to tell you what you can and cannot do. Every professional athlete has a clause in his contract that certain dangerous activities are prohibited on penalty of contract forfeiture. Is that what you want? Because that will be what you get when you submit to government dependency. Eat your fucking broccoli because it's good for you and if you get sick I have to foot the bill. Give me 100 jumping jacks, 100 situps and 20 pushups every morning and stop smoking anything.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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That's your vision for what America should become?
ideally.
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Why should one guy get a bunch of money for delivering less value when for the same wage more than one person could bet paid a lesser amount and improve productivity of the company and the economy of the region?
No one said you should give more to a person that delivers less. The argument was whether you should give less to a person that delivers the same. Essentially making someone who's not well off even worse off.
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In any case, this seems awfully like an appeal to consequences anyways, so i don't know what difference it makes what zappa wants. The world is as it is.
I'm not saying anything is true or false based on the consequences. Just that I prefer one set of consequences over another.
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If I can find any mook on the street to do your job tell me why I should give the job to you and not the mook who will work for less... If I can replace you with a cheaper moron that is your fault, not mine and not the cheaper morons.
In your ideal world zappa, the people willing to work for crap wages are the ones who get the jobs, and people who want a fair wage get no job at all (and no unemployment if you had things your way). No minimum wage either, and no health insurance for those who work their asses off for $2/hour.
That's your vision for what America should become?
yes the minimum wage destroys small businesses 
not over driven leases, marketing costs, corporate competition that goes as far as the remote countries of Africa. If Zappa redid the congress, and made em all republicans, and removed the minimum wage, this country wouldn't turn into the next Iraq, I believe him! 
http://micpohling.wordpress.com/2007/04/14/countries-without-minimum-wage-law/
if it wasn't for that list of successful countries that don't have a minimum wage, I would imagine countries turning into Uganda, people working all day for one dollar, about the equivalent of US $4. gets you pretty far  Can't believe I'm wrong but then I had a stroke awhile back can someone double read that list of countries without minimum wage in that article?
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: zappaisgod]
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My vision is that talent and hard work gets rewarded and mediocrity and sloth do not.
So you don't consider an average (mediocre) worker talented or hard working? I'll let the shroomers here who make a median salary ($31k) or less decide for themselves whether they think they're talented and hard working or not.
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Nobody works their ass of for $2 an hour and nobody works their ass for minimum wage, which is about 4 times higher.
My experience has been that people in minimum wage jobs generally work the hardest. Again, I'll let shroomers decide for themselves based on their own experience.
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"Fair" This brings me back to high school and early college. Certain mediocrities would score poorly on a test while others did well. Their first recourse was that the test was not "fair". Of course the test was fair. Everybody got the same questions. You just suck.
We agree.
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"Affordable" What is affordable for one is not affordable for another. I recently read a letter in the NY Times by some whiny jackass who said that at the age of 45 he had a medical problem he couldn't "afford". It was a piddling $20,000. He didn't have insurance. I would like to point out that he chose not to have insurance and that if he had had it it would have cost far more than that over the course of 20 odd years. Fuck the freeloading cunt.
We agree.
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Pay your bill and stop whining that your loss obligates me to cover it. Your failure to properly plan does not constitute a crisis for me, grasshopper. If you think it does I am damn well going to tell you what you can and cannot do.
He CAN'T pay his bill, so we're stuck paying it for him. I agree with you that we are "damn well going to tell you what you can and cannot do". What he can do is buy some insurance. What he cannot do is NOT buy some insurance. You have a great idea; I wonder why noone's thought of it yet?
Earlier in this thread you said "If they made much much less than 50K I doubt they had a 401K." You were probably right about that, as nearly half of all Americans don't have jack in their 401k. Even though they can't afford a 401k by your own admission, you still want to take away social security and lower their wages because they are just "mediocre". I'm amazed that any average American would agree with that.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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My vision is that talent and hard work gets rewarded and mediocrity and sloth do not.
So you don't consider an average (mediocre) worker talented or hard working? I'll let the shroomers here who make a median salary ($31k) or less decide for themselves whether they think they're talented and hard working or not.
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Nobody works their ass of for $2 an hour and nobody works their ass for minimum wage, which is about 4 times higher.
My experience has been that people in minimum wage jobs generally work the hardest. Again, I'll let shroomers decide for themselves based on their own experience.
My experience has been that most people, especially whiny minimum wage workers, do everything in their power to avoid working hard.Quote:
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"Fair" This brings me back to high school and early college. Certain mediocrities would score poorly on a test while others did well. Their first recourse was that the test was not "fair". Of course the test was fair. Everybody got the same questions. You just suck.
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"Affordable" What is affordable for one is not affordable for another. I recently read a letter in the NY Times by some whiny jackass who said that at the age of 45 he had a medical problem he couldn't "afford". It was a piddling $20,000. He didn't have insurance. I would like to point out that he chose not to have insurance and that if he had had it it would have cost far more than that over the course of 20 odd years. Fuck the freeloading cunt.
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Pay your bill and stop whining that your loss obligates me to cover it. Your failure to properly plan does not constitute a crisis for me, grasshopper. If you think it does I am damn well going to tell you what you can and cannot do.
He CAN'T pay his bill, so we're stuck paying it for him.
Bullshit. A pissy little $20,000 bill? At his age? No, I suspect he just didn't want to pay it, just like he didn't want to pay for insurance. Somebody who writes letters to the NY Times that isn't illiterate? BY the way, if it wasn't for the government mandating that health insurers must cover a whole range of shit he could have had an option to purchase a much less expensive catastrophic health insurance plan. But he couldn't. Because the government banned them in favor of idiotic HMO type bullshit.Quote:
I agree with you that we are "damn well going to tell you what you can and cannot do". What he can do is buy some insurance. What he cannot do is NOT buy some insurance. You have a great idea; I wonder why noone's thought of it yet?
How come you skipped the part that made clear what I was referring to? Drop and give me an extra twenty. It'll keep you healthier and cheaper for me. And eat your fucking broccoli. All of it.Quote:
Earlier in this thread you said "If they made much much less than 50K I doubt they had a 401K." You were probably right about that, as nearly half of all Americans don't have jack in their 401k. Even though they can't afford a 401k by your own admission, you still want to take away social security and lower their wages because they are just "mediocre". I'm amazed that any average American would agree with that.
I didn't say they can't afford a 401K. My point is that they would rather spend the money on bullshit than save for retirement. Social security is a huge tax that doesn't realize 50% of the return that one would earn if that money was privately invested. Soc Sec is a giant rip off. At what point do you eliminate the freedom to use your money as you see fit and not have some overlord telling you what is good for you? Clearly you have chosen to keep the populace in diapers.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: zappaisgod]
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They can decide anything they want. It don't mean shit. In the end, the market decides.
If the market decides, then average workers and below will return to poverty. Fortunately, people decide through elected officials.
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How come you skipped the part that made clear what I was referring to? Drop and give me an extra twenty. It'll keep you healthier and cheaper for me. And eat your fucking broccoli. All of it.
I guess that's another solution for people that don't want health insurance. Do you think the Government should mandate that?
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At what point do you eliminate the freedom to use your money as you see fit and not have some overlord telling you what is good for you? Clearly you have chosen to keep the populace in diapers.
Taxing people is not eliminating freedom. As Ben Franklin said, "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes".
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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They can decide anything they want. It don't mean shit. In the end, the market decides.
If the market decides, then average workers and below will return to poverty. Fortunately, people decide through elected officials.
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How come you skipped the part that made clear what I was referring to? Drop and give me an extra twenty. It'll keep you healthier and cheaper for me. And eat your fucking broccoli. All of it.
I guess that's another solution for people that don't want health insurance. Do you think the Government should mandate that?
I don't think the government should be in the business of forcing people to live lives that minimize, according to the government, ones risk choices. You do realize that you are justifying all forms of prohibition, don't you?Quote:
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At what point do you eliminate the freedom to use your money as you see fit and not have some overlord telling you what is good for you? Clearly you have chosen to keep the populace in diapers.
Taxing people is not eliminating freedom. As Ben Franklin said, "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes".
Taxing people curtails their freedom. "Eliminate" is a straw man. Every time the government takes from one and gives to another it is curtailing the freedom of the former without increasing the freedom of the latter.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: zappaisgod]
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They decide whether they are talented or not through their elected officials?
No. They decide whether they are being overpaid or not. If they feel a paycut is in order, they'll ask the Govt to elimintate labor laws, minimum wage, union protections, etc.
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I don't think the government should be in the business of forcing people to live lives that minimize, according to the government, ones risk choices. You do realize that you are justifying all forms of prohibition, don't you?
No, I didn't realize that. Please tell me how health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
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Taxing people curtails their freedom. "Eliminate" is a straw man. Every time the government takes from one and gives to another it is curtailing the freedom of the former without increasing the freedom of the latter.
Please provide just ONE example of a free country with no taxes to prove your point.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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They decide whether they are talented or not through their elected officials?
No. They decide whether they are being overpaid or not. If they feel a paycut is in order, they'll ask the Govt to elimintate labor laws, minimum wage, union protections, etc.
But that isn't what I challenged, although it is quite nonsensical itself. I challenged this particular............piece:
"decide for themselves whether they think they're talented and hard working or not."
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I don't think the government should be in the business of forcing people to live lives that minimize, according to the government, ones risk choices. You do realize that you are justifying all forms of prohibition, don't you?
No, I didn't realize that. Please tell me how health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
Mandatory health insurance does. Please try to stay on point.Quote:
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Taxing people curtails their freedom. "Eliminate" is a straw man. Every time the government takes from one and gives to another it is curtailing the freedom of the former without increasing the freedom of the latter.
Please provide just ONE example of a free country with no taxes to prove your point.
That has nothing to do with what I said. Please try to stay on point.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I don't think the government should be in the business of forcing people to live lives that minimize, according to the government, ones risk choices. You do realize that you are justifying all forms of prohibition, don't you?
No, I didn't realize that. Please tell me how health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
Mandatory
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/28/lets-punish-the-promiscuous-for-increasing-health-care-costs/
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I challenged this particular............piece:
"decide for themselves whether they think they're talented and hard working or not."
Try to stay on point.
The bottom line is that voters decide whether they want the Gov't to elinate labor laws, minimum wage, union protections, etc. Whether it's because they feel they're talented, hard working, or any other reason is up to them.
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Please tell me how health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
Mandatory health insurance does. Please try to stay on point.
Ok, please tell me how mandatory health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
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Taxing people curtails their freedom. "Eliminate" is a straw man. Every time the government takes from one and gives to another it is curtailing the freedom of the former without increasing the freedom of the latter.
Please provide just ONE example of a free country with no taxes to prove your point.
That has nothing to do with what I said. Please try to stay on point.
Ok, please provide just ONE example of a free country with low taxes to prove your point.
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Mandatory
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/28/lets-punish-the-promiscuous-for-increasing-health-care-costs/
That article says if the Government runs health insurance, decisions will have to be made on whether people should be penalized for living unhealthy lifestyles, and the author feels that's a bad thing.
Do you agree with the article that it's wrong to consider a person's lifestyle in determining their health coverage, and that everyone should be covered equally regardless of their lifesyle?
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I challenged this particular............piece:
"decide for themselves whether they think they're talented and hard working or not."
Try to stay on point.
The bottom line is that voters decide whether they want the Gov't to elinate labor laws, minimum wage, union protections, etc. Whether it's because they feel they're talented, hard working, or any other reason is up to them.
has absolutely zero relevance to the point that no, YOU do not get to decide if you are talented.Quote:
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Please tell me how health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
Mandatory health insurance does. Please try to stay on point.
Ok, please tell me how mandatory health insurance justifies prohibition of anything.
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Taxing people curtails their freedom. "Eliminate" is a straw man. Every time the government takes from one and gives to another it is curtailing the freedom of the former without increasing the freedom of the latter.
Please provide just ONE example of a free country with no taxes to prove your point.
That has nothing to do with what I said. Please try to stay on point.
Ok, please provide just ONE example of a free country with low taxes to prove your point.
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Mandatory
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/28/lets-punish-the-promiscuous-for-increasing-health-care-costs/
That article says if the Government runs health insurance, decisions will have to be made on whether people should be penalized for living unhealthy lifestyles, and the author feels that's a bad thing.
Do you agree with the article that it's wrong to consider a person's lifestyle in determining their health coverage, and that everyone should be covered equally regardless of their lifesyle?
I think everybody should have to pay for their own health coverage and the direct costs of their lifestyles attributed to them and borne by them. And no, people should not be covered equally. That's fucking stupid.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: zappaisgod]
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I think everybody should have to pay for their own health coverage and the direct costs of their lifestyles attributed to them and borne by them. And no, people should not be covered equally. That's fucking stupid.
I'm holding my breath.
My private insurance would be half what it is for sure. I haven't needed a doc in many years.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: zappaisgod]
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I think everybody should have to pay for their own health coverage and the direct costs of their lifestyles attributed to them and borne by them. And no, people should not be covered equally. That's fucking stupid.
First, you say everybody should have to pay for their own health coverage. Then you think people should not be covered equally.
Obamacare makes everyone pay for their own health coverage, and the article you posted argues against Obamacare BECAUSE the author feels it wouldn't cover everyone equally.
Obamacare is completely in line with your values. 
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Except the inequality is reversed. In proper self-insurance you got what you could afford and what your lifestyle afforded you. With obama care the healthy and young pay unequally for those who are unhealthy and old.
The problem in health care that I see is that I must pay for those who abuse their health and I get little benefit via insurance for being and staying healthy and not using medical services unnecessarily.
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The problem in health care that I see is that I must pay for those who abuse their health and I get little benefit via insurance for being and staying healthy and not using medical services unnecessarily.
I think the best thing would be to keep the system privatized and government spending to be tailored towards increasing health awareness for the overall population.
Some of the junk food promoted to kids is just terrible for you and there seems to be very minimal systems in place to give these kids a proper idea of why and what it's important to eat for good health. I think physical health and lifestyle education ought to have a great deal more spent on it than what currently is. In fact the whole medical profession ought to be spending a lot more time on this IMO. Curative strategies rarely work on certain illnesses because they aren't proper illnesses but results of a poor lifestyle with little exercise and a lot of overeating.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Icelander]
#16025061 - 03/31/12 06:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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In proper self-insurance you got what you could afford and what your lifestyle afforded you.
And if you don't self insure, then everyone else pays your bill when you have an emergency (through higher premiums).
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With obama care the healthy and young pay unequally for those who are unhealthy and old.
The problem in health care that I see is that I must pay for those who abuse their health and I get little benefit via insurance for being and staying healthy and not using medical services unnecessarily.
That system keeps insurance affordable for everyone. Of course, the Medicare for all approach would be better still.
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Re: I thought Wall Street was to blame for lending money to assholes [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#16025111 - 03/31/12 06:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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And if you don't self insure, then everyone else pays your bill when you have an emergency (through higher premiums).
Glad you brought this up. We need to quit treating people who do not have insurance or means to pay. They must die for the greater good and strength of the species overall.
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