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Your "Church"?
    #16010196 - 03/28/12 08:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't have to be a place. It doesn't have to be among others. It doesn't even have to make you feel 'spiritual'. Where/When are you the most yourself, the most in touch with the world or even just the most comfortable?

Two come to mind for me it's the road. Doesn't matter where or what the destination is. Taking to the highway with a cooler of food and my ipod is my very favorite thing to do. Even when I lived out of my car I still found driving to be a very peaceful, fulfilling experience. I haven't gone anywhere in a long time (can't get the time off work) but I'm sure it will happen again soon.

How about you guys?


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: The Human Floyd]
    #16010210 - 03/28/12 08:41 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Listening to music and dancing. Or praying.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16010259 - 03/28/12 08:52 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Or MDMA.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16010439 - 03/28/12 09:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Two come to mind for me




You only mentioned one?

For me it's anytime I'm drenched in silence or nature...

Sitting with a book in hand

or

Lying in the snow, staring up at the night sky

or

Walking in the forest, far from traffic

or

Writing

or

Climbing

or

Snugglin' someone

or...

...hmm, this is a good exercise


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: The Human Floyd]
    #16010614 - 03/28/12 10:00 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

i'd say on my cushion in front of my shrine feels the most natural and at home to me :sun:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: The Human Floyd]
    #16010664 - 03/28/12 10:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

In my cramped, poorly equipped kitchen cooking a kick-ass supper for my husband. :heart:

My "meditation" exercises are planning amazing meals, shopping, and executing them.

Great thread, BTW! :thumbup:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Scarab74]
    #16010687 - 03/28/12 10:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

being at my favorite spot on the hill prairies in the bluffs miles from the nearest person. Ahhh how I love my privacy! Nothing beats smoking a good bowl, looking at the crystal blue sky, and seeing endless miles of farm land and rivers


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: jammin]
    #16012165 - 03/29/12 07:09 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

My body is my church.

No need for two temples.

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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16012256 - 03/29/12 08:01 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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White Beard said:
Or MDMA.





If anything this would be mine too.  Alone, in a fully darkened silent warm  room, naked on a large bed with a full length body pillow and two hits of MDMA.  I've done this many times.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: deff]
    #16012352 - 03/29/12 08:50 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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i'd say on my cushion in front of my shrine feels the most natural and at home to me :sun:




Why am I not surprised you have a shrine?

Are you white, by the way? :tongue2:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16012483 - 03/29/12 09:51 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I thought he was going to say his 57 Chevy. :laugh:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16012560 - 03/29/12 10:19 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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i'd say on my cushion in front of my shrine feels the most natural and at home to me :sun:




Why am I not surprised you have a shrine?




because you make assumptions, stereotype, and think you have everyone figured out ? :tongue:

and yes, i'm white... i realize the stereotype you're projecting but my repeated exposure to sitting in front of my shrine (or whatever you want to call it :wink:) makes me automatically go into a state of peace and joy just seeing it / being near it :sun:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Icelander]
    #16012623 - 03/29/12 10:37 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

White Beard said:
Or MDMA.





If anything this would be mine too.  Alone, in a fully darkened silent warm  room, naked on a large bed with a full length body pillow and two hits of MDMA.  I've done this many times.




I remember you talking about this before so I tried it out a few months ago. I eventually just started listening to music and phoned up my friend. :tongue:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #16012635 - 03/29/12 10:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't have a full length body pillow though. That was my problem. :facepalm:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: deff]
    #16012662 - 03/29/12 10:45 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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because you make assumptions, stereotype, and think you have everyone figured out ? :tongue:

and yes, i'm white... i realize the stereotype you're projecting but my repeated exposure to sitting in front of my shrine (or whatever you want to call it :wink:) makes me automatically go into a state of peace and joy just seeing it / being near it :sun:




Ironically, it's you who just stereotyped me into being that type of judgmental person.

I was just amused that you have a shrine. And you're white.

As for figuring everyone out, there are a few that still slip by me. But some old fasioned one-on-one usually clears that right up. :lol:

But if you look deeply you'll see me too, and realize there is little difference.

My mask is pretending I don't have one.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16012692 - 03/29/12 10:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Jessica Swift said:
As for figuring everyone out, there are a few that still slip by me. But some old fasioned one-on-one usually clears that right up. :lol:




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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Tony]
    #16012699 - 03/29/12 10:54 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

That too. Sexual patterns of behavior speak volumes about the unspeakable. I've seen Mommy and Daddy in the pelvic thrust like you wouldn't believe.

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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16012791 - 03/29/12 11:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: I can almost picture u as a little Nancy Drew, opening the curtains jut enough to take a peek..


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16012825 - 03/29/12 11:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Jessica Swift said:
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deff said:
because you make assumptions, stereotype, and think you have everyone figured out ? :tongue:

and yes, i'm white... i realize the stereotype you're projecting but my repeated exposure to sitting in front of my shrine (or whatever you want to call it :wink:) makes me automatically go into a state of peace and joy just seeing it / being near it :sun:




Ironically, it's you who just stereotyped me into being that type of judgmental person.

I was just amused that you have a shrine. And you're white.

As for figuring everyone out, there are a few that still slip by me. But some old fasioned one-on-one usually clears that right up. :lol:

But if you look deeply you'll see me too, and realize there is little difference.

My mask is pretending I don't have one.




sorry, i didn't mean to be rude - and i didn't exactly stereotype you, i left it as a question (as it was just a guess)

white people can have shrines too ! :lol:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Tony]
    #16012837 - 03/29/12 11:38 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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:lol: I can almost picture u as a little Nancy Drew, opening the curtains jut enough to take a peek..




I take a peak from time to time.


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Re: Your [Re: The Human Floyd]
    #16012854 - 03/29/12 11:43 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I were peaking on mushrooms right now. That's 'my' church. :mushroom2:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Tony]
    #16012866 - 03/29/12 11:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I second that... motion. :mushroom2:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16012894 - 03/29/12 11:52 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Can I interest you in a potion? ..or would you prefer some lotion?

:shoosh:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16013716 - 03/29/12 03:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't have a full length body pillow though. That was my problem. :facepalm:





When I do it I go into bliss like satori states for hours.  Talking to my friends and listening to music is great when coming down.

Are you using pure MDMA?  Still it's all different strokes. I'm just one of the lucky ones.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Icelander]
    #16013742 - 03/29/12 03:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I didn't really get that just laying in silence. I just got really emotional and started yelling as loud as I could at the universe why it had to be such a dick to me. I kind of freaked out my roommates. When I put on the tunes then I started to feel real fucking good, then I just had to phone up my friend to tell him how much I loved him. It was fun times but not really life changing.

Perhaps I'll try it again sometime.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16013799 - 03/29/12 03:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting.  I watched a friend focus like that on negatives when I was at Burning Man.  He railed for hours and generally had a bad experience.  I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Icelander]
    #16013813 - 03/29/12 03:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I was feeling pretty desperate at the time and really confused. It felt nice to get it all out of my system.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: The Human Floyd] * 1
    #16013862 - 03/29/12 03:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Most at peace under a wide-open sky.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16014704 - 03/29/12 06:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I was feeling pretty desperate at the time and really confused. It felt nice to get it all out of my system.





That's kind of what we decided about our friend.  He needed to get out a lot of resentment he was harboring and we were a safe place.  Unfortunately when he came down he couldn't face us and hid out for the rest of the week and then dropped us as friends. :shrug:

Side note I saw him the other day in a large field staring at the ground and then walking in small circles only to return to the same spot and stare again. Obviously working out some demons.  Poor guy. The funny/sad part is he's a psychologist and therapist and thinks he's hot shit at it.  I wouldn't trust my dog with him.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Icelander]
    #16014808 - 03/29/12 07:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

E definitely ain't all bliss for me either. It goes about 50/50 either way same as tripping, usually on E when it goes bad it's guilt or (in social situations) social anxiety that's the problem. I've preferred the few times I've had MDA because I've had some really cosmic times on that stuff, MDMA feels very emotionally pushy without the trip side.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #16014836 - 03/29/12 07:28 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I guess I am lucky then.  I've never had anything but bliss trips. But then I can honestly say out of the many many many trips I've taken of all kinds I've never had a really bad experience.

One of my ex GFs has the same issues with MDMA as you do.  It makes me sad cause it can be so cosmic.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Icelander]
    #16014858 - 03/29/12 07:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I used to love MDMA because I was depressed.

These days I cannot stand the idea of a synthetic high.

The people you meet/associate with are fake people, the experiences you have are fake experiences, but the come down and depressive aftermath is oh, ohhh so real.

All the things you 'learn' are fake and wrong too. Sorry, but it's true! You later get a fake confidence IRL, and all manner of fake fake fake traits.

It makes me frustrated these days to see some hopeless cunts becoming someone else and suppressing all the awkwardness seamlessly as some pathetic paradise emerges in their little drug den.

The only real high is found naturally. It is my suspicion that much of the MDMA high is caused by letting go of unnatural thoughts and letting a natural high emerge which sits on top of the unnatural serotonin levels.

I'm not talking about some friendly, fake smile, naive, 'high on life' natural happiness, I'm talking about being as high as on ecstasy and still being able to think. The cars going past sound so pure, the air is so much fresher... all the traits of the drug experience, but your brain is actually prepared for it.

Beatitude...


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: circastes] * 1
    #16014865 - 03/29/12 07:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like you need a good roll to chill the fuck out and stop being a negative Nancy.

WTF is a fake experience???


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16014878 - 03/29/12 07:35 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

hahaha.

Okay, I'll admit I met this really stupid bitch who was taking MDMA at this shit club, and it was probably speed not MDMA, and I just wanted to punch her in the face, and I don't punch ANYONE in the face...

Well a fake experience is like, thinking you're happy, thinking you're high, and you're just sort of poisoned or overloaded in one area of the brain, and it's better than your measly sober life so you think it's salvation.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: circastes]
    #16014895 - 03/29/12 07:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms are the real deal though, it truly is sacred. I say this because they are fungi meant for neurological networks, ordained and certified by Mother Nature herself.

Rolls and other synthetics are just kicking the shit out of your brain until it does something.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: circastes] * 2
    #16014911 - 03/29/12 07:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I really don't believe that tbh. Mushrooms are just as sacred as beer.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16014953 - 03/29/12 07:47 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The last time I did a 5g mushroom trip, my big revelation was 'nothing is sacred.'


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16014991 - 03/29/12 07:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well I don't get anything revealed to me, I just end up in a whole other universe, and I think, "fuuuckkk..."


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: circastes]
    #16015010 - 03/29/12 07:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: The Human Floyd]
    #16015017 - 03/29/12 08:00 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

My church?

The places in which I root myself and where nature is rooted as well.

In the arms of my lover, or in the sprawling arms of an oak tree... At the base of some old cottonwood listening to the leaves dance in the wind with a sound akin to rushing water... At the edge of some pond watching a Great Blue Heron hunting with the songs of red winged black birds permeating the area...  The soft sound of lapping water on the edge of a large body of water as the sky sets it aglow as the sun sinks behind the horizion... The feeling I get after being in a rainy forest all day and the cold has set deep into my bones, my mind is slowed and at peace, while seemingly humming with the living world around me...

That is church to me.

A little slice of my home


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    #16015025 - 03/29/12 08:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I align more with white beard on this one, sure a synthetic drug may have a fake feel or whatever, sometimes I think there's an element of truth to this but so what? I say that's still a part of life and why the hell not explore it, you don't have to buy every thought and experience that comes out of that cooky imagination of ours as the absolute truth of ourselves, nothing to be afraid of there.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Icelander]
    #16015041 - 03/29/12 08:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I've heard you say you haven't had any truly negative experiences on drugs before, I really find that pretty astonishing and hard to believe. Kinda jealous. :lol: I think that really is an exception to a general rule.


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    #16015058 - 03/29/12 08:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I align more with white beard on this one, sure a synthetic drug may have a fake feel or whatever, sometimes I think there's an element of truth to this but so what? I say that's still a part of life and why the hell not explore it, you don't have to buy every thought and experience that comes out of that cooky imagination of ours as the absolute truth of ourselves, nothing to be afraid of there.




Yeah, embrace the technologic and the biologic. :thumbup:
Me and my tripping buddy were discussing how soon humanity will become cyborgs, and how great of a thing that'll be. It's already happening slowly. Best of both worlds.

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I've heard you say you haven't had any truly negative experiences on drugs before, I really find that pretty astonishing and hard to believe. Kinda jealous. :lol: I think that really is an exception to a general rule.




Yeah, seriously. What about salvia? No way you were all smiles on that shit.


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    #16015170 - 03/29/12 08:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, seriously. What about salvia? No way you were all smiles on that shit.




Salvia is really the only psychedelic I use anymore. I have a very strong connection with it, it is more home than any other substance to me.

When I use it, I am far more often than not, to put it simply, experiencing from a place where there is no such thing as smiles or frowns... If your conscious of whatever a frown or smile is, you have not had enough.:lol:
I often have no singular identity what so ever until I start to come back... I painfully remember who I am as I feel a timeless infinity of trillions of personalities or abysmal nothings being condensed into a pinhead, which I soon recognize and remember to be myself...

And that is a painful over simplification on my behalf...

This is a section of a little poem I wrote about Salvia-

"Repeating deaths of one self. Death repeating within the place of your identity's meaning. Broken connection to your bone and meat cage, no being, no love, no fear and no rage, this is but one nature of the Diviner's Sage."


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    #16015204 - 03/29/12 08:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I like Salvia also. It's pretty rough though.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: circastes]
    #16015292 - 03/29/12 08:49 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I used to love MDMA because I was depressed.

These days I cannot stand the idea of a synthetic high.

The people you meet/associate with are fake people, the experiences you have are fake experiences, but the come down and depressive aftermath is oh, ohhh so real.

All the things you 'learn' are fake and wrong too. Sorry, but it's true! You later get a fake confidence IRL, and all manner of fake fake fake traits.

It makes me frustrated these days to see some hopeless cunts becoming someone else and suppressing all the awkwardness seamlessly as some pathetic paradise emerges in their little drug den.

The only real high is found naturally. It is my suspicion that much of the MDMA high is caused by letting go of unnatural thoughts and letting a natural high emerge which sits on top of the unnatural serotonin levels.

I'm not talking about some friendly, fake smile, naive, 'high on life' natural happiness, I'm talking about being as high as on ecstasy and still being able to think. The cars going past sound so pure, the air is so much fresher... all the traits of the drug experience, but your brain is actually prepared for it.

Beatitude...





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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16015327 - 03/29/12 08:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I align more with white beard on this one, sure a synthetic drug may have a fake feel or whatever, sometimes I think there's an element of truth to this but so what? I say that's still a part of life and why the hell not explore it, you don't have to buy every thought and experience that comes out of that cooky imagination of ours as the absolute truth of ourselves, nothing to be afraid of there.




Yeah, embrace the technologic and the biologic. :thumbup:
Me and my tripping buddy were discussing how soon humanity will become cyborgs, and how great of a thing that'll be. It's already happening slowly. Best of both worlds.

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I've heard you say you haven't had any truly negative experiences on drugs before, I really find that pretty astonishing and hard to believe. Kinda jealous. :lol: I think that really is an exception to a general rule.




Yeah, seriously. What about salvia? No way you were all smiles on that shit.




I love em all but that doesn't mean I haven't had some real nasty experiences with a few of them, my worst haven't been with salvia actually, but I've had some pretty negative ones with that. I like it the most because it strips my self importance the most.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #16015397 - 03/29/12 09:03 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

My favourite part of salvia is when I come back because then I'm so grateful for everything in my life. It's like I die and then am given a second chance. The last time I smoked it, as soon as I stopped tripping I told all my friends I loved them. :heart:


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    #16015437 - 03/29/12 09:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, I like Salvia also. It's pretty rough though.




My life has been very turbulent and wrought with hardships and difficulties. I think that may be a part of why I like it and why its roughness doesn't bug me and actually greatly appeals to me. It's very in your face and straight to the point.

I think the roughest times I have with it is when I don't take enough and maintain fragments of my identity and feel them being drug through some extra-dimensional hyperbolic space... Where it has no meaning and function, yet it's their to burden me. It's like the kid in grammar school whose mother forces them to bring some big old painfully unnecessary clunky embarrassing back pack or lunch pail or something. I'm not as naked as I want to be I guess one could say.

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My favourite part of salvia is when I come back because then I'm so grateful for everything in my life. It's like I die and then am given a second chance. The last time I smoked it, as soon as I stopped tripping I told all my friends I loved them. :heart:




I understand completely. I hold a salvia ritual every Halloween and I remember one time my brother cried hard afterward because that scared him so much. "He kept saying, I was dead... I was dead." And I just hugged him with a tear in my eye and said, "I Know. I've been there too." and smiled. :cool:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #16015457 - 03/29/12 09:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

When I don't take enough... nothing happens.
When I take enough... OH SHITTTTT!!!!

I find my trips usually go like this:
1.) shear terror for the first bit,
2.) acceptance that I'm stuck in some weird fractal clockwork thing for eternity
3.) Giggles and hysteria
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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: White Beard]
    #16015467 - 03/29/12 09:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Nice. :thumbup: Can't say I get that with Salvia, DMT's and mushrooms are more like that for me, gratitude can be an awesome feeling. When I come down from Salvia I usually feel in tune with my senses and natural, primordial; like a hunter. I've always felt like it's a glimpse of what it's like to live as a warrior a la casteneda, I like that feeling but it inevitably goes and I'm back to my usual childishness.


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    #16015475 - 03/29/12 09:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that seems like the case with most drugs. :sad:
The only option is to keep getting high I suppose.


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #16015886 - 03/29/12 10:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, seriously. What about salvia? No way you were all smiles on that shit.




Salvia is really the only psychedelic I use anymore. I have a very strong connection with it, it is more home than any other substance to me.

When I use it, I am far more often than not, to put it simply, experiencing from a place where there is no such thing as smiles or frowns... If your conscious of whatever a frown or smile is, you have not had enough.:lol:
I often have no singular identity what so ever until I start to come back... I painfully remember who I am as I feel a timeless infinity of trillions of personalities or abysmal nothings being condensed into a pinhead, which I soon recognize and remember to be myself...

And that is a painful over simplification on my behalf...

This is a section of a little poem I wrote about Salvia-

"Repeating deaths of one self. Death repeating within the place of your identity's meaning. Broken connection to your bone and meat cage, no being, no love, no fear and no rage, this is but one nature of the Diviner's Sage."





What a fitting description, Raven. I also love how Salvia can be so.. Universal? Synchronistic? Shared. Your words speak volumes to my experiences with Salvia, and shout with familiarity. It's as if you are describing some of my own memories.

OPs Question: Where/When are you the most yourself, the most in touch with the world or even just the most comfortable?

If I could say sitting alone, by myself, in a cave, I would be lying. At least at this point in my life, I rely heavily on externals. Having the house cleaned down to the food stacked in an organized manner is very comforting. The drawback is the anxiety when things are not. It has reduced greatly as I get older, used to be much more of a burden. It's all in my head though.

Coming back from a long, hard voyage in the psychedelic realm and setting foot in familiar, warm territory is one of the most comforting feelings I have experienced.

Being in that joyous state where it feels as if your chest is sunshine itself, giggles erupting in solar flares, being ripped from your body and forced outward to be shared by all.

Cozy beds and hammocks.

At my parents house in the backyard.

Nature.

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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: Kupo]
    #16016048 - 03/29/12 10:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Man, with all this talk of salvia, I think I may pick some up tomorrow. It's been awhile.


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    #16016086 - 03/29/12 10:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone who finds Salvia uncomfortably dysphoric should try inhaling some N2O right after taking the toke of Salvia.  The two substances combine in an amazing synergistic fashion and the usual transition to the next dimension is eased by a liberating euphoria that propels one further into the deeps of the sky.  :thumbup:


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Re: Your "Church"? [Re: deCypher]
    #16016112 - 03/29/12 11:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps I'll have to procure some N2O for tomorrow. Is there anywhere where I can buy the little canister things offline? If not, are whipped cream containers okay to use? I've never done nitrous before. :crazy:


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    #16016124 - 03/29/12 11:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

nitrous is a very interesting experience... very mind-expanding and spacious ime... i think you'll like it. it's very neat when teamed up with meditation :sun:

i've always just used the whipped cream canisters myself - tho it's cheaper to buy the cartridges but i'm not sure where they sell them offline...


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    #16016129 - 03/29/12 11:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Your local head shop should carry whipped cream cartridges and crackers/dispensers/balloons.  :thumbup:  I'm sure you could use a whipped cream container from the grocery store but that's a bit ghetto.  :lol:


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    #16016136 - 03/29/12 11:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

i guess i'm a bit ghetto :lol: :blush:


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    #16016144 - 03/29/12 11:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, nothing wrong with being a little ghetto.  :pimp3:

Thanks for the help guys. Should test this shit out tomorrow or friday. :thumbup:


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    #16016816 - 03/30/12 01:25 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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    #16017391 - 03/30/12 04:05 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I once said "the world is my church"

to which the church-going gal replied "the world is the devil!"

and yet, her church was in the world, which was supposedly created by god



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    #16017464 - 03/30/12 04:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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"where could god be, but in everything?"




This confuses most people unfortunately. (But God is also within them, so it's gravvy).

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    #16017543 - 03/30/12 05:37 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I used to love MDMA because I was depressed.

These days I cannot stand the idea of a synthetic high.

The people you meet/associate with are fake people, the experiences you have are fake experiences, but the come down and depressive aftermath is oh, ohhh so real.

All the things you 'learn' are fake and wrong too. Sorry, but it's true! You later get a fake confidence IRL, and all manner of fake fake fake traits.

It makes me frustrated these days to see some hopeless cunts becoming someone else and suppressing all the awkwardness seamlessly as some pathetic paradise emerges in their little drug den.

The only real high is found naturally. It is my suspicion that much of the MDMA high is caused by letting go of unnatural thoughts and letting a natural high emerge which sits on top of the unnatural serotonin levels.

I'm not talking about some friendly, fake smile, naive, 'high on life' natural happiness, I'm talking about being as high as on ecstasy and still being able to think. The cars going past sound so pure, the air is so much fresher... all the traits of the drug experience, but your brain is actually prepared for it.

Beatitude...





Spoken from the pulpit as usual.  My experiences are nothing like yours.  And aren't you the one that uses meds?



Just my experience, I didn't say it was yours. :smile:

And yeah I'm on a medication which if I took with MDMA I would probably die. Maybe that also skews my opinion. LOLOLOL

Naw, but I've seen some sad cases.


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    #16017654 - 03/30/12 06:46 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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It is my suspicion that much of the MDMA high is caused by letting go of unnatural thoughts




My experience too(i never took a big dose though). The residue is just the simple and natural feeling that everything is ok.  However it wears off quickly and a kind of hangover results, plus the sense of getting a purge like on mushrooms is not there. I completely missed out on the MDMA + rave + sex thing :sad:


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    #16017656 - 03/30/12 06:48 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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MDMA + rave + sex thing :sad:




It was pretty awesome. :awesome:


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    #16017979 - 03/30/12 09:10 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

my body is my temple


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    #16019565 - 03/30/12 04:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Right, forgot to add my second one.

Being with my dog is my other. Or my roommate's dogs, or friends' dogs... I get along with most of them and feel like I'm interacting with someone who is one step closer to the primal world- a liaison of Mother Earth in a way. Plus, I just really like the company of dogs. Hah.

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My favourite part of salvia is when I come back because then I'm so grateful for everything in my life. It's like I die and then am given a second chance. The last time I smoked it, as soon as I stopped tripping I told all my friends I loved them. :heart:





I always want to do it again but it's tough to get up the nerve after the last few times. I totally agree with this, though. After my first experience I was thankful just to know that I was back in a world that made some kind of sense to me.


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    #16019678 - 03/30/12 05:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I did it again today. Watched some weird dancing things and a bunch of black children with red eyes. Not sure if I enjoyed or not...


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    #16019944 - 03/30/12 06:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Not my mind, it is too small of a world.


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I did it again today. Watched some weird dancing things and a bunch of black children with red eyes. Not sure if I enjoyed or not...




Do you feel like you gained something from the experience? Or lost something, maybe?

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    #16023292 - 03/31/12 11:42 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure really. It wasn't a full break through; I only took one bong hit. Still was pretty weird though.


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    #16031697 - 04/02/12 02:01 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

SsSet and SsSetting?


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