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jboredone said:
I had a job making 48,000 a yr until 2days before Christmas the place shut its doors.....get about 25,000 a yr for unemployment

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you get 25,000 a year for unemployment? How come most people only get $900 a month?

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Complete and utter bullshit. You don't need conspiracy theories about them putting out fraudulent numbers, you just need to crunch the numbers that are available:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-our-lets-pretend-economy-lets-pretend-job-growth-best-2006

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ifoodstamps

Okay, maybe there is some fraud, I don't know, at the very least they're extremely misleading. It's amazing that there are so many people stupid enough to support Obama after all these years.

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qman said:
Just like every other economic number that is coming out, the unemployment numbers are bunk.

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The official ones most certainly are.  They can have a certain comparative utility when there is a generally normal employment situation but when there are massive job losses and they no longer count people who have given up as being in the work force it queers that utility.

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The "official" unemployment number of 8.3% is for certain powers to keep the issue under control. The government has U6 unemployment which is currently around 16%, which is a little more realistic.

In reality, the true unemployment rate is around 22-23%, this includes people that have given up looking for work.

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That seems a bit high but I agree it is much higher than the official number.

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A simple statistic for measuring employment progress is the payroll tax numbers, but the financial media or political powers will never talk about this number, because it reflects the truth of the issue, there is no employment growth.

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Sometimes they do.  I would direct you to the Wall Street Journal and National Review.

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The American pubic does not go deep into the real numbers, and like to read newspapers or watch bullshit on TV telling them what is going on, they don't understand this is a game of managing perspectives.

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http://moonbattery.com/?p=8882

It doesn't much matter what you tell an idiot.  He will still be an idiot.

The bottom line is that there must be an increase in jobs every year to accommodate the population increase.  I believe Obama will be the first President in history to preside over an economy that lost jobs over his term.  It didn't just not keep up with population growth, it lost.

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so I have a question for you. I mean it in a completely non sarcastic way, you seem to have all the solutions, or at least think you do. If you could restructure the government entirely from the bottom up to the top, and all the way back from the top to the bottom, without changing the constitution, and not by selecting person a) b) c)

let's put it this way. If you could CREATE robots that would run congress, the senate, create a perfect democratic republic, and structure taxes etc. etc. create jobs I know you believe in removing the minimum wage whatever because apparently you believe employers compete for employees jobs(corporations always do, even for the janitors )

how would you structure things? If you were president tomorrow, what would you do? What things would go in effect? I know you'd change the mortgage loan policies, but I'm very curious to know what you would do. Please help us all understand. It can't possibly be a sarcastic question, because I'm assuming as opinionated as you are, that you have an answer

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bukujutsu said:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bursting-permabullish-bubble-11-out-13-economic-indicators-have-missed

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-its-dead-man-walking-economy

Nope, definitely no recovery here.

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bukujutsu said:
Complete and utter bullshit. You don't need conspiracy theories about them putting out fraudulent numbers, you just need to crunch the numbers that are available:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-our-lets-pretend-economy-lets-pretend-job-growth-best-2006

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ifoodstamps

Okay, maybe there is some fraud, I don't know, at the very least they're extremely misleading. It's amazing that there are so many people stupid enough to support Obama after all these years.

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