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The Ecstatic
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16441369 - 06/26/12 06:07 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Its interesting to see the people that were advocating detainment, among other things, of Occupy protestors are suddenly citing the Bill of Rights.
It must be hard to hang onto your convictions when they're dependent on your political party's position on the story.
Really? I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal.
What party am I?
Also, the Occutard's I want to see in jail are those that vandalized the properties of others. Or committed some other type of crime.
Zimmerman seems to have committed no crime other than being stupid.
Any other stupid comments you'd like to make?
I'm not talking about you. Relax kid.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#16441383 - 06/26/12 06:11 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Depends on where the gun was when he grabbed it. If he snatched it from between Zimm's nuts, then yeah. If Zimm was stalking him with his gun drawn, then no.
As there are no witnesses other than Zimmerman... we will likely never know for certain.
A lie detector could help clear such a thing up..
No. Lie detectors are unreliable.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: DeadHearts]
#16441389 - 06/26/12 06:11 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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But seriously they are. Practically inadmissible at this point.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#16441411 - 06/26/12 06:15 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: But seriously they are. Practically inadmissible at this point.
I agree but it makes his case look better still.
Luvy boy just wanted to say neener neener neener by posting that "evidence" above
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: ShiVersblood]
#16441524 - 06/26/12 06:42 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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How was it "in cold blood" when: "ABC News reported that a medical report compiled by the family physician of George Zimmerman showed that, following the altercation with Martin, Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, a minor back injury, and bruising in his upper lip and cheek. "
Don't be ignorant
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: unam sanctum]
#16441546 - 06/26/12 06:47 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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unam sanctum said: How was it "in cold blood" when: "ABC News reported that a medical report compiled by the family physician of George Zimmerman showed that, following the altercation with Martin, Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, a minor back injury, and bruising in his upper lip and cheek. "
Don't be ignorant
Source?
And all of that could have happened in one fall or one punch. Where is the evidence that links Martin as the first attacker? Who claims they saw the beginning of the altercation? Are their stories credible?
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: DeadHearts]
#16441561 - 06/26/12 06:51 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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You can read all about it on Wikipedia, there are conflicting accounts but the seemingly more credible ones hedge in Zimmerman's favor. And that's one hell of a punch.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: unam sanctum]
#16441584 - 06/26/12 06:58 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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unam sanctum said: You can read all about it on Wikipedia, there are conflicting accounts but the seemingly more credible ones hedge in Zimmerman's favor. And that's one hell of a punch.
Not really. One solid punch to the center of the face and dude could easily obtain all of thos injuries. Unless they were on the grass I forget.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: DeadHearts]
#16441662 - 06/26/12 07:14 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yup. That's why they don't allow them in court. It's just one more interesting tidbit.
How is it that you don't understand the difference?
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16441681 - 06/26/12 07:19 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think they allow the defense to use them but not the prosecution.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: zappaisgod]
#16441697 - 06/26/12 07:21 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Maybe our resident lawyer will clear it up.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16441743 - 06/26/12 07:31 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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At this point its obvious that he could be either innocent or guilty, there are so many viewpoints, i find it wrong to put him behind bars because of this. if he kills again, jail for life. but theres too much mixed feelings, so i say he walks free and a big fuck you to the system and to gangsters or wannabe gangsters who picture themselves as street killers/soldiers
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16441753 - 06/26/12 07:33 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yup. That's why they don't allow them in court. It's just one more interesting tidbit.
Yup. You're right.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: DeadHearts]
#16441763 - 06/26/12 07:35 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Yup. You're right.
I know.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16441777 - 06/26/12 07:37 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: DeadHearts]
#16441799 - 06/26/12 07:41 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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What are the State Laws Concerning Polygraph Admissibility? Almost every state fits into one of two categories; those that find them completely inadmissible and those that allow their admission with "the stipulations of both parties" (meaning both you and the prosecutor agree to admit the test results as evidence).
States like California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow the tests if everyone agrees to them, but may put different emphasis on the tests accuracy.
California, for instance, presents the results to the jury, and allows them to draw whatever inferences from it they wish. Georgia, on the other hand, allows defendants who suffer damage because of a false result on a polygraph test (which are somewhat frequent) to sue the polygraph operator for damages and attorneys fees. Florida is the one state that does require some people to submit to polygraph tests (previously convicted sex offenders), but even then those test results cannot be used against them in court, and are for use only within the course of their therapy. The states in which polygraphs are inadmissible include New York, Texas, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia. In these states, even if both parties wish to enter polygraph test results into evidence, it is forbidden (except in very rare scenarios).
Some states, like New York and Texas, forbid their use completely in all employment and law enforcement contexts. Other states, like Massechussettes, do not allow them to be entered as evidence, but CAN use them as supporting probable cause (to obtain search warrants). Federal courts have their own rules on when to allow the admission of polygraph evidence (it is usually at the judge's discretion). For a complete list of the state and federal rules regarding polygraphs, you can check here for your state.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissability-of-polygraph-tests-in-court.html
I've always been under the impression lie detectors are rarely used because of their unreliability.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: gzuf]
#16441813 - 06/26/12 07:45 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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I suggested a while back that it might help clear some things up. Clearly thats not the case. Im not arguing that. Luv replied the test results in my direction even tho it obviously doesnt mean much.
Life goes on... Except for Martin
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16441815 - 06/26/12 07:45 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Maybe our resident lawyer will clear it up.
It's not clear from a Constitutional standpoint whether or not polygraph evidence is admissible...
Most states do not allow it for either side in a criminal case...some do with limitations.
In Florida, it is per se inadmissible under the standard set forth in Frye v. United States. That was a federal decision interpreting the federal rules of evidence, but Florida has adopted the Frye standard under Kaminski v. State, 63 So. 2d 339 (Fla. 1952).
Unless that changes, it won't come in.
Any statements he made during the polygraph test, however, can be introduced by the State.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: Enlil] 1
#16446513 - 06/27/12 07:27 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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George Zimmerman murders black people. It is my duty as a United States citizen to DEMAND that my government placed murderers behind bars. I am praying to God that George Zimmerman does not make bond and is denied bail on June 29th, and ordered no bail until his trial. If George Zimmerman was allowed bail it would feel as if a person has pulled out a pistol and shot me directly in the forehead. DEATH to all who oppose justice. Prison for those who oppose the criminal justice system.
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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: ShiVersblood]
#16446524 - 06/27/12 07:30 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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