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 Not Quite Social
 
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Diploid said,
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Consider also that ~70% of Americans are white and ~12% are black. So there are almost 6 white people for each black person. That should factor into any analysis of the unweighted statistics you posted.
What's your analysis, Diploid?
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Not Quite Social
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Nah, Frylock, my quote is fair.
I did not distort his words, I highlighted their weakness and absurdity.
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frylock91
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Your quote would only make sense if you had proof that Zimmerman actually murdered Martin. If you have any evidence to back it up you should share it.
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 Re: trayvon martin shooting  [Re: frylock91]
#16279054 - 05/24/12 05:37 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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You took that way out of context NQS. You're only making decisions based off your emotions, not logic.
Pity him. It's all he's got.
Well, that and his race-baiting.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: frylock91]
#16279058 - 05/24/12 05:38 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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frylock91 said:
Your quote would only make sense if you had proof that Zimmerman actually murdered Martin. If you have any evidence to back it up you should share it.
Exactly. That doesn't matter to a race-baiter though.
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Diploid
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What's your analysis, Diploid?
That the only reason anyone ever heard about this case is because despite the fact that there is a lot more black-on-white violence than the other way around, racists like Sharpton, Obama, Jackson and the Panthers don't consider it a problem worthy of comment unless it's a black person who dies.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16279144 - 05/24/12 06:05 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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Since i used rate (i.e. black-on-white homicide vs. white-on-black), it's already weighted with respect to race. In terms of total, yes blacks commit much higher rate of homicide, but that's mostly inner city black-on-black.
to Therian: Actually, i do remeber one, the (white) female UNC student murdered by two blacks a few years back. That got coverage in the national news. Moreover, controversy is a factor that gets coverage. I imagine there are very few cases where a black person(s) kills a white person(s) and it isn't a straightforward arrest, prosecution, and conviction.
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Icelander
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Quote:
Not Quite Social said:
Nah, Frylock, my quote is fair.
I did not distort his words, I highlighted their weakness and absurdity.
You highlighted your ignorance. 
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Icelander]
#16279973 - 05/24/12 09:15 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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No sir,
Luvdemshroom's quote ...
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The dead teenager is evidence of Zimmerman's use of a gun, nothing more.
... also highlights his callousness.
I'll remind you what Diploid said,
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I'm glad the piece of shit thug got shot dead. It's a malady not enough of them suffer from.
See how Zimmerman's advocates dehumanize Martin.
Another point: Luvdemshrooms usually refrains from firing off a string of more than five words, usually a shallow criticism (for example, inexplicably and repeatedly calling me a "race baiter"). This is how he protects himself from having to defend his weak arguments on behalf of his wrongheaded perspective. So doing, he contributes little--watch ....
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frylock91
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And what logical arguments have you made that suggest you're right in this? All I see you saying is basically that people that are siding with Zimmerman are bad people. Nothing else.
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Icelander
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The dead teenager is evidence of Zimmerman's use of a gun, nothing more.
Duh! That's because in this particular case at this particular time that's true. Since we don't know the facts and the trial hasn't exposed what are the real facts that is all we know. This isn't brain surgery dude. 
And who cares what biased ignorant people say? Does that mean you have to be one of them? I asked you to man up and take a stand for letting the truth out via the evidence in a court trial. You would not and instead called Zimmerman a murderer without conclusive evidence which dehumanizes Zimmerman imo. So you are no different then they imo. 
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Diploid
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See how Zimmerman's advocates dehumanize Martin.
I'm not Zimmerman's advocate. I'm an advocate of the truth. And the truth is that, to beyond a reasonable doubt IMO, Martin was a thug. Everything points to that.
I'm always glad when thugs assault people they think are helpless and get killed in the bargain. It doesn't happen nearly often enough.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: frylock91]
#16280101 - 05/24/12 09:40 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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Not Quite Social said,
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Frylock said,
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I have my own opinion like everyone here, whether I'm wrong or not I can't be 100% sure. But in my opinion, Martin died because he made a man fear for his life.
So stated, I think yours is a reasonable opinion, even though I disagree for reasons I've given.
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Not Quite Social
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Icelander said,
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So you are no different then they imo
Funny how you reserve 99% of your criticism for me.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Icelander]
#16280122 - 05/24/12 09:45 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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the trial hasn't exposed what are the real facts
I don't think the trial is going to expose anything new. For one thing, it may not go to trial. The judge may throw out the case on the physical evidence showing NOTHING to contradict Zimmerman's claims. On the other hand, I wouldn't blame him for taking the case even if he felt it merits dismissal out of fear for his and his family's safety if he dismisses it.
Even if it goes to trial, the jury will end up seeing less evidence than we already have once the lawyers start playing the evidence rule games. Some of the OJ jury said after the trial that had they been given all the evidence, they would have decided differently.
If anything, we're in a better position than a jury to decide this because we DO have access to all or nearly all the evidence right now.
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Icelander
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Not Quite Social said:
Icelander said,
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So you are no different then they imo
Funny how you reserve 99% of your criticism for me.
Now now, don't take it personal. I just had high hopes for you early on in this discussion. You seemed for one or two posts to be moderating your stance so I focused on you. Then you went over to the dark side big time and since I already had you in my sights.
Plus being a social liberal myself it pains me to see someone giving it a bad name.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Icelander]
#16280410 - 05/24/12 10:25 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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if this trial gets thrown out or results in a non-conviction ----- some peeps gunna riot.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: meams]
#16280493 - 05/24/12 10:38 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Icelander]
#16280541 - 05/24/12 10:46 PM (11 months, 18 days ago) |
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I'm not what you and others represent me as here. I have reached a strong opinion based on the facts-- no doubt so has the prosecutor; no doubt will some on Zimmerman's jury, in his favor and against it. The complexity of experience calls for discernment and reason and emotion and moral judgments, and, unlike math or hard sciences, these do not always add up to one definitive answer. Our justice system, with respect to serious crimes, does not expect reasonable people acting in good faith to evaluate and judge people and always reach the same exact same conclusion; neither does it expect anyone to withhold his honest perspective based on the facts. Sorry we don't see things the same way, here, but I have a rational and morally sound basis for my perspective; nevertheless, simply because it does not correspond with the conclusions others have reached, or because I am confident in my conclusion based on the available information, I am repeatedly assailed here on the basis of what I am not: illogical, racist (against white Hispanics according to luv dem shrooms), overly emotionally invested, politically correct, stereotypically liberal (I'm prolife, for example), lacking intelligence and lacking character and every other virtue. These are incorrect, insulting and intolerant characterizations to make merely on the basis of a differing perspective; but, because I have integrity, I will not be dissuaded from my perspective, or from expressing it, based on this ongoing incivility.
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Diploid
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I am confident in my conclusion based on the available information
Bullshit.
You were confident in your conclusion from day one. LONG before all the information was available. Here you are on 03/26/12, almost TWO MONTHS ago and long before even a fraction of the hundreds of documents and 57 CDs of evidence were released saying:
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NQS said: Trayvon Martin was senselessly murdered
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