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A lethal combination....lots of angry black people (which scare white people) and a dumb ass S/A. I think I said a while back she was a nut job....and a dirty trick ass S/A. I think they gave her this case so she would fuck it up. Dumb bitch ! LOL Man these thugs are beating her ass in court all the time.. ..beating her like a prize fighter would. After much reflection and review....I still believe the NOT dead guy. The fist thing she did when she met the family....was pray with them....really? Man is the trick for real ? You should have been looking for the TRUTH before you wasted my tax dollars on this sure looser. Now Martin is dead...zimmermans life is over.....and we are Fucking broke...r.
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 Re: trayvon martin shooting  [Re: glockman]
#16163650 - 05/01/12 02:26 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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We are fucking broke...r.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Cervantes]
#16163739 - 05/01/12 02:52 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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You can pay for it all bu just having Disney make a movie about it.
How about, "George Zimmerman: Hero Angel"?
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Quote:
Baby_Hitler said:
You can pay for it all bu just having Disney make a movie about it.
How about, "George Zimmerman: Hero Angel"?
zimmerman is neither angel or a hero.....he is a regular guy...who was trying to protect what little scraps he had earned in life.....this BS baby momma drama al sharpten and Jesse Jackson drummed up ....well be careful what you ask for. The money is poring In for his legal fees and costs.....if he gets a book deal or movie deal....I am all in. Tupac would be proud of travon....
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16163851 - 05/01/12 03:26 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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So you know what Zimmerman was thinking? Cool. He is alive. I assume you were there or you at the very least talked to him. Awesome!
But what really blows my mind is how you know what the dead Tupac would have thought.
I thought death ends thought.
You sir, have proven otherwise.
You know what Tupac thinks!
Wow.
Nothing stupid about your post!
Case closed.
Great argument.
Point made.
Thread done.
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Quote:
Baby_Hitler said:
You can pay for it all bu just having Disney make a movie about it.
How about, "George Zimmerman: Hero Angel"?
Another pointless post implying some false question between guilt and praiseworthy behavior or charector.
This bullshit is getting old- how many times do we have have to belabor the point that the question is guilt vs lack of proof of guilt.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: johnm214]
#16163890 - 05/01/12 03:47 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Don't blame me. It's Disney's title.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Cervantes]
#16163993 - 05/01/12 05:01 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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So you know what Zimmerman was thinking? Cool. He is alive. I assume you were there or you at the very least talked to him. Awesome!
But what really blows my mind is how you know what the dead Tupac would have thought.
I thought death ends thought.
You sir, have proven otherwise.
You know what Tupac thinks!
Wow.
Nothing stupid about your post!
Case closed.
Great argument.
Point made.
Thread done.
Zimmerman has made allot of his thoughts and feelings known....maybe you missed all of them though....
The FACTS are not in dispute here ..... He was in a neighborhood WATCH...which means he was looking after his stuff AND others property....missed that FACT too ?
Did I need to be there to hear what HE said and the witnesses said....ALL of which are alive too...in case you missed that to.
Tupac was a two bit thug wanna be who misled millions of teens by his dumb shit he said and did....but he is in fact DEAD...so I cant know for sure if he would be proud of Travon....but neither can you know that he would not be !
As for you thinking there is nothing stupid about my post.....do I need to tell you just how I feel about that......Your a smart boy give it a Guess....Out of the post the one thing that blows your mind is.....Tupac.....Really ? Deep thoughts by jack Handy Huh...LOL.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16164028 - 05/01/12 05:37 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Happy 30'th post.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16164038 - 05/01/12 05:44 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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glockman said:
Tupac would be proud of travon....
Why? For buying skittles? For wearing a hoodie? For attacking the neighborhood watch?
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16164120 - 05/01/12 07:13 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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glockman said:
The FACTS are not in dispute here .....
The relevant facts are in dispute...that's why the case is proceeding. Quote:
He was in a neighborhood WATCH...which means he was looking after his stuff AND others property....missed that FACT too ?
Not a relevant fact. It doesn't matter if he was a police officer...the issues in this case are:
1. Did George Zimmerman have a reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily harm?
2. Did Trayvon Martin's actions create a reasonable threat of deadly force?
3. Did George Zimmerman initiate the physical conflict leading to that threat?
Those are the questions in this case...Whether he was neighborhood watch is not relevant...and the answers to all of those questions are in dispute.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
#16164923 - 05/01/12 12:43 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
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glockman said:
The FACTS are not in dispute here .....
The relevant facts are in dispute...that's why the case is proceeding. Quote:
He was in a neighborhood WATCH...which means he was looking after his stuff AND others property....missed that FACT too ?
Not a relevant fact. It doesn't matter if he was a police officer...the issues in this case are:
1. Did George Zimmerman have a reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily harm?
2. Did Trayvon Martin's actions create a reasonable threat of deadly force?
3. Did George Zimmerman initiate the physical conflict leading to that threat?
Those are the questions in this case...Whether he was neighborhood watch is not relevant...and the answers to all of those questions are in dispute.
I should point out....I was responding to another poster with these FACTS. To you maybe they are irrelevant....but to me when responding to another it was not.
The case did not proceed because the Facts were in dispute....the police reported what evidence and eyewitness accounts of the events they had. They interviewed him....for hours and then let him leave.....sound like the FACTS were in dispute....the LOCAL S/A did NOT file the information...sound like the facts were in dispute ? This is a Political football....That is why The S/A who is on the case now was appointed to investigate. She is known in the State as a nut job....ask yourself why the hell the Gov. would appoint her....hmmmm !
1) Florida Law says you must have Reasonable fear of Death OR Great bodily Harm....the bar just dropped a little...bashing his head on the Concrete....would meet BOTH of those to a reasonable person.
2) You are wrong. Deadly Force is not the ONLY Reason you can deal a fatal blow to your ATTACKER.
3) This issue might come up but in truth a good Attny. will easily remove this issue from the trial.
The stand your ground Law has ZERO to do with this case. Florida Law is well known and used in several states to this day with regards to a Persons right to defend themselves.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Cervantes]
#16164932 - 05/01/12 12:45 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Happy 30'th post.
Thanks....I cant wait until I am all grown up like you....LOL.13,000 plus posts......happy No Life to you !
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16165007 - 05/01/12 01:01 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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glockman said:
1) Florida Law says you must have Reasonable fear of Death OR Great bodily Harm....the bar just dropped a little...bashing his head on the Concrete....would meet BOTH of those to a reasonable person.
The reasonable fear must be at the time of the use of force...we don't know how long after the head bashing incident force was used...again..a relevant fact.Quote:
2) You are wrong. Deadly Force is not the ONLY Reason you can deal a fatal blow to your ATTACKER.
Cite a statute or case law to back this up or it's just a layperson's opinion...I'm licensed in three states, all of which require a threat of deadly force to use deadly force in return...if you have FLA law that says otherwise, cite it.Quote:
3) This issue might come up but in truth a good Attny. will easily remove this issue from the trial.
Initial aggressors cannot use deadly force except in certain situations...again...if you have case law or statute that says otherwise, cite it.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
#16167232 - 05/01/12 08:19 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
Quote:
glockman said:
1) Florida Law says you must have Reasonable fear of Death OR Great bodily Harm....the bar just dropped a little...bashing his head on the Concrete....would meet BOTH of those to a reasonable person.
The reasonable fear must be at the time of the use of force...we don't know how long after the head bashing incident force was used...again..a relevant fact.Quote:
2) You are wrong. Deadly Force is not the ONLY Reason you can deal a fatal blow to your ATTACKER.
Cite a statute or case law to back this up or it's just a lay person's opinion...I'm licensed in three states, all of which require a threat of deadly force to use deadly force in return...if you have FLA law that says otherwise, cite it.Quote:
3) This issue might come up but in truth a good Attny. will easily remove this issue from the trial.
Initial aggressors cannot use deadly force except in certain situations...again...if you have case law or statute that says otherwise, cite it.
Ok....Fine we can do it this way.
1)Please read FS 776.12
Note the words Imminent Death OR Great bodily harm.So withstanding it is not a requirement for a person to in danger of Death only...great bodily harm can and does mean many different things to reasonable people. Note the provision amended by the legislator in 2005 to include....Imminent commission of a forcible Felony this is part of the Castle doctrine and was NOT the law prior to 2005! so like I said before....Fear of Death is NOT the only reason.
2)I will leave the Layperson comment alone as I find it not relevant to an internet discussion board. Try not to assume to much...you never know.
3) The case will likely come down to who started it...as one of the exclusionary statutes FS 776.041 prevents the aggressor from using the law as his defence.FS 776.08
Forcible Felony Laws are outlined above....they are broad and in general cover any crime in which violence is used....prior to 2005 this was NOT Florida law.
Now on a personal note....I dont need your resume or where you practice law it makes no difference to me and honestly when discussing this matter it means less to anyone concerned with this case in Florida.I know you say you are an attorney... I am proud of you now can we keep the discussion to the topic and not on who is and is NOT qualified to give a legal opinion ?
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16167263 - 05/01/12 08:26 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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glockman said:
Quote:
Enlil said:
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glockman said:
1) Florida Law says you must have Reasonable fear of Death OR Great bodily Harm....the bar just dropped a little...bashing his head on the Concrete....would meet BOTH of those to a reasonable person.
The reasonable fear must be at the time of the use of force...we don't know how long after the head bashing incident force was used...again..a relevant fact.Quote:
2) You are wrong. Deadly Force is not the ONLY Reason you can deal a fatal blow to your ATTACKER.
Cite a statute or case law to back this up or it's just a lay person's opinion...I'm licensed in three states, all of which require a threat of deadly force to use deadly force in return...if you have FLA law that says otherwise, cite it.Quote:
3) This issue might come up but in truth a good Attny. will easily remove this issue from the trial.
Initial aggressors cannot use deadly force except in certain situations...again...if you have case law or statute that says otherwise, cite it.
Ok....Fine we can do it this way.
1)Please read FS 776.12
Note the words Imminent Death OR Great bodily harm.So withstanding it is not a requirement for a person to in danger of Death only...great bodily harm can and does mean many different things to reasonable people. Note the provision amended by the legislator in 2005 to include....Imminent commission of a forcible Felony this is part of the Castle doctrine and was NOT the law prior to 2005! so like I said before....Fear of Death is NOT the only reason.
2)I will leave the Layperson comment alone as I find it not relevant to an internet discussion board. Try not to assume to much...you never know.
3) The case will likely come down to who started it...as one of the exclusionary statutes FS 776.041 prevents the aggressor from using the law as his defence.FS 776.08
Forcible Felony Laws are outlined above....they are broad and in general cover any crime in which violence is used....prior to 2005 this was NOT Florida law.
Now on a personal note....I dont need your resume or where you practice law it makes no difference to me and honestly when discussing this matter it means less to anyone concerned with this case in Florida.I know you say you are an attorney... I am proud of you now can we keep the discussion to the topic and not on who is and is NOT qualified to give a legal opinion ?
Let me get this straight, you are saying that I was wrong when I said that an issue was "Did George Zimmerman have a reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily harm?" because the actual issue is whether there was a a threat of "Imminent Death OR Great bodily harm." Really? That's your argument? You really think there is a big difference between "imminent serious bodily harm" and "imminent death or great bodily harm?"
And then you claim that "This issue might come up but in truth a good Attny. will easily remove this issue from the trial" in response to my claim about initial aggressor...NOW you say "The case will likely come down to who started it...as one of the exclusionary statutes"
So...Your current argument is that you agree with me? I'm very confused here....
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#16167305 - 05/01/12 08:36 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Da shroomery ftw. 
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
#16167593 - 05/01/12 09:40 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Enlil,
You stated
"Cite a statute or case law to back this up or it's just a lay person's opinion...I'm licensed in three states, all of which require a threat of deadly force to use deadly force in return...if you have FLA law that says otherwise, cite it.I did show you Florida Law that says deadly force is NOT the ONLY reason as you asked.
Also "imminent serious bodily harm" and "imminent death or great bodily harm?"
Yes there is a difference in the two...one is in the Florida Law which you asked me to cite....one is not.My point is this the only way they can argue this case is to paint Zimmerman as the aggressor which by law he would have no defence or protection under the statutes. A good attny. would be able to show Mr.Zimmerman was in a position of trust within the community and doing what they wanted him to do....allowing the use and protection of the laws I cited.
You also stated
"Initial aggressors cannot use deadly force except in certain situations...again...if you have case law or statute that says otherwise, cite it." This is an assumption on your part and neither the witnesses nor the evidence show he was the aggressor.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16167686 - 05/01/12 09:55 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Where did I assume anything? I said that the initial aggressor issue was an issue...I don't know if he was an initial aggressor or not...
I DO KNOW, however, that his position as neighborhood watch guy doesn't tell us one way or another...
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