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luvdemshrooms said:
The protest and thievery have no relevance (or bearing... take your pick) to the actual incident.
It's a general thread. Weren't you JUST talking about the Black Panthers putting a price on Zimmerman's head?
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Eh, I think it's relevant to a discussion about the incident even if it might not be relevant to the incident itself.
This sub-thread about the relevance of a discussion about the relevance of the story seems less relevant to the incident, but we're still talking about it. 
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If there is a creator, he definitely has a sense of humor.
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luvdemshrooms said:
The protest and thievery have no relevance (or bearing... take your pick) to the actual incident.
It most definitely has relevance to the actual incident. It is related, therefore it has relevance. Your insistence that relevance and bearing are interchangeable does not change their definitions.
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 Re: trayvon martin shooting  [Re: 4896744]
#16005557 - 03/27/12 10:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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TOO MANY USES OF THE WORD RELEVANCE
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Nullface]
#16005581 - 03/27/12 10:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
The protest and thievery have no relevance (or bearing... take your pick) to the actual incident.
It's a general thread. Weren't you JUST talking about the Black Panthers putting a price on Zimmerman's head?
Nope.
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If there is a creator, he definitely has a sense of humor.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16005587 - 03/27/12 10:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Eh, I think it's relevant to a discussion about the incident even if it might not be relevant to the incident itself.
This sub-thread about the relevance of a discussion about the relevance of the story seems less relevant to the incident, but we're still talking about it.
I don't, but I'm not a mod. Nor really very relevant in the grand scheme of the Shroomery.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: 4896744]
#16005594 - 03/27/12 10:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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iThink said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
The protest and thievery have no relevance (or bearing... take your pick) to the actual incident.
It most definitely has relevance to the actual incident. It is related, therefore it has relevance. Your insistence that relevance and bearing are interchangeable does not change their definitions.
I quite relevantly, insisted nothing. Nor did I claim to have a bearing on anything.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Nullface]
#16005634 - 03/27/12 10:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Nullface said:
TOO MANY USES OF THE WORD RELEVANCE
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#16006562 - 03/28/12 02:51 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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it was back in Northern Michigan many years ago. He said I was on his land but he had sold it 20 years earlier
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That's funny as hell. I once had a bunch of armed bear hunters in the U.P. threaten to kill me. I wouldn't give them back their bluetick until they reimbursed me for all the food he stole from my campsite.
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It's still relevant. It's how the supporters are choosing to protest.
It is nothing more than an excuse for someone to commit some sort of interracial hate crime of opportunity. I'm sure all the white, red, yellow, and even black shopkeepers in L.A. had something to do with the R. King beating. As a matter of fact they were even rioting and looting in Canada, as if the Canadians had anything to do with it. I live in Detroit and let me tell you I already know how this is going to go down if he is found innocent of all charges.
I can see law enforcement being completely overwhelmed. It happens every devils night here as whole blocks are burned to the ground by negro youth, and every caucasion I know of usually spends the night on their front porch with their firearm of choice in tow. If he is found innocent the problem will be that the obligatory riots will not be an isolated regional affair. Strange that no one is worried about any riots if he is found guilty though, wonder why that is?
Was Zimmerman found guilty of any of the accusations? If not then I would say they are irrelevant. Being accused of something and being convicted are two seperate animals. It sound like the domestic dispute was a mutual affair with both filing restraining orders. Had he actually beaten his wife, he would have been arrested.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Therian]
#16006976 - 03/28/12 06:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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> blah blah blah ... riots ... blah blah blah
Riots are temporary. I'm more worried about the repercussions to 2nd amendment rights and changes to the law. I think the majority of politicians that are flaming the emotions surrounding the shooting are more interested in restricting guns than they are about Trayvon.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Seuss]
#16007130 - 03/28/12 08:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Just like Zimmerman, clutching your gun, afraid of black men, teenagers, riots. No wonder where you place your sympathy, with the scared guy with a gun. Used to be conservatives happened to have guns and weren't scared; now y'all have to have guns because you're peeing yourselves at the sight of a black teenager, at the thought of a large assembly of blacks.
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Baby_Hitler said:
I want to know if Zimmerman was brandishing his weapon when he approached Martin. If so, then I would say he provoked the attack.
You'd be right that he provoked it if that were the case. But there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that at this point. While we're visiting speculation land, perhaps Zimmerman was fighting back with only his hands until Treyvon tackled Zimmerman, felt his gun on his hip, and tried to take it away. Zimmerman, in a struggle to maintain control of his weapon, fired it into Trayvon, perhaps even accidentally.
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I find it funny that the most neutral coverage I've seen on this so far is from last night's Daily Show and Colbert Report.
That's so often the case...
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I understand Zimmerman's gun was openly displayed in a holster on his belt.
Where did you get that information? Open carry is illegal in Florida.
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Blacks are just as scared, I assure you. That is usually the root of racism, and racism runs rampant in the black community. Trust me, I live in that community right at this moment. Everybody is scared of everybody. That's why there is far less racism in the Midwest, us Midwestern white people are used to be by far the majority, unless your in Detroit, Cleveland, or Chicago. Unless they go outside of the Midwest most don't see rampant racism.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: ChuangTzu]
#16007220 - 03/28/12 09:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said:
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Not Quite Social said:
I understand Zimmerman's gun was openly displayed in a holster on his belt.
Where did you get that information? Open carry is illegal in Florida.
You're the third or fourth poster to ask him that.
I recommend not holding your breath.
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Not Quite Social said:
Just like Zimmerman, clutching your gun, afraid of black men, teenagers, riots. No wonder where you place your sympathy, with the scared guy with a gun. Used to be conservatives happened to have guns and weren't scared; now y'all have to have guns because you're peeing yourselves at the sight of a black teenager, at the thought of a large assembly of blacks.
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> No wonder where you place your sympathy, with the scared guy with a gun.
Dude, what the @#$%! are you talking about? I haven't taken any side what-so-ever. I don't know what happened, and unlike you, I am not going to jump to conclusions. I do believe that the politicians that are inflaming people's emotions are more interested in changing gun control laws than they are about seeing justice done. Beyond that, I don't know, thus I haven't said a thing one way or another.
> now y'all have to have guns because you're peeing yourselves at the sight of a black teenager, at the thought of a large assembly of blacks.
I live in a country that is more than 80% black and less than 15% white. I see large assemblies of blacks every day of my life. If I look around, I am usually the only white person in sight. Most of my friends are black. I've dated black women. I am the victim of racism (too clear to be seen) almost every single day and I sympathize with anybody, regardless of skin color, that has to put up with this crap (racism). You need to take a long look in the mirror because you sound no different than Luddite, acting like you are superior to everybody else, pretending that you aren't being racist. I actually respect Luddite a hair more than you, because at least he doesn't pretend that he isn't racist.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Seuss]
#16007335 - 03/28/12 09:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16007598 - 03/28/12 11:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
and I called up the police and told them that I was following you and they told me to stop
Jesus christ! When are you people going to stop it with the spin? It behooves us all to get the EXACT facts, as PERFECTLY ACCURATE as possible, not this bullshit sloppy fact gathering that can be spun faster than a washing machine.
A man's entire life is on the line based on what the EXACT FACTS are. So stop misstating that the "police told him" anything at all. It was a non-emergency dispatcher (not the police) who told him "We don't need you to do that", not "don't follow him". There is a HUGE difference between the bullshit you're spewing and the truth as currently-known.
Get it god damned straight already. You spinners have been corrected a half dozen times in this thread and it doesn't even slow you down.
U mad? I think it's funny how Zimmerman's "life is on the line"; maybe he should have thought of that before he decided to play Mister Badass Police Man with somebody else's life. Anytime you go looking for trouble with a gun, you're putting at least two lives on the line, unless you're completely delusional. (And yes, when you're muttering to the COPS about how these fucking asshole c/goons always get away, you're both looking for trouble and delusional. Especially when you call them 50 times a month. Maybe this guy just needed some fucking cats for company?)
Hearing the audio, it was pretty clear that the dispatcher meant to dissuade him - given that he's not a fucking cop and has no right to arrest the guy or something and thus has no real reason for being there - and his response was "okay." Not "I'm going to do it anyway" but just "okay" like he wasn't even listening, probably because he was pretty clearly fucked up on some substance given the slurring of his speech and mumbled profanities. Too bad the 'narcotics detective' who showed up to investigate only decided to drug test the corpse. 
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and then you started screaming for help and I shot you
There is one (possibly two) witnesses who have stated that it was ZIMMERMAN calling for help while laying on his back in the grass and getting his nose punched by Martin.
Stop it with the clueless misstatements and spin already!
Okay? There are others who say that it was Martin calling for help. What you're saying doesn't exactly disprove that, does it? So what's your point? One lady in particular is quite pissed that the police were trying - in flagrant violation of every fucking court ruling, police academy course, basic principle of common sense, etc - to change her statement to say otherwise. Got a response for that? Shit, how do we even know that the witness statements you're citing are unaltered? Seriously, you're talking about leaks from a police investigation - already illegal activity on the part of someone within the department, probably within the 'investigation' - that's indisputably engaged in sketchy behavior from the very first moment they got involved. Talk about a rat's nest. The feds will have a field day.
Besides, which is more likely:
A) Martin is screaming for help because a gun is pointed at him and stops because you can't scream when you've been shot in the chest.
B) Zimmerman is screaming because he's pointing a gun (or, according to his story, because he has a broken nose and a guy on top of him slamming his head into the pavement, yet is still capable of screaming at the top of his lungs... talk about multitasking!) and then stops the very moment he pulls the trigger because... I dunno, he's suddenly calmed down?
Edited by jimbotron (03/28/12 11:29 AM)
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