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 zzripz
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 BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery 
#15959015 - 03/17/12 11:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I have posted here at the Shroomery for a while now, and because most of what I freely want to explore gets shunter to the 'Conspiracies and Cover-ups forum, I post there a bit. I have checkout out the rules and they seem clear enough. That one mustn't be disrespectful to other members, and troll--surely I dont need to paste the rules here right now?
Two mods mocerate the forum--supposedly, Prisoner and Cosmonaut, and some weeks ago I was banned by prisoner for suggesting another member could be a shill, and that his lack of understanding of what I was saying could be because of the 'education' system drilling children in left-brain thinking. It was quite a while after that post, but I received a pm from prisoner telling me I was banned for 6 days and giving the reasons.
Since I have come back, I have been attacked twince, with two members breaking the rules. The first time was my thread, but when I went to click the button that is supposed to notify a mod about a post it had the text that 'this thread is being monitored' or words to that effect. So I had to pm a mod, but was told that I hadn't been insulted. I was not happy about that.
More recently when I was trying to involve my self in a thread, another member said I was "full of shit". That to me is an insult that needs dealing with, so I clicked the mod button and this time it worked, and I explined about it. Then I later received a pm from prisoner telling me that I shouldn't complain because it is only what I do to others! I informed him he wasn't doing his job right, and that if i HAD been doing that he should have warned me, which he didn't, and I refute his accusattion anyhow.
I told him that his moderation is bias, and he supports members who share his worldview and accuses, threatens and bans those who do not, and challenge him and they---that is bias, right?
I just received a pm from prisoner which is very insulting and just proves my point which I will present here for all who read this to see:
Here is prisoner's first response of the rules of the thread being broken:
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I'm sorry you feel insulted but how is what he done any different than what you do?
Here is my response to that:
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I am surprised to even get a response to be honest, but not surprised what the response is.
Look---it is completely out of order how this place is run, totally bias, and this is reflected in your very question. You as moderator should treat everyone equally regardless with whether they share your worldview or not. IF as you imply I had broken the rules this is what proper moderators do--they give a red-text warning first, and if the member continues they are banned for a time period.
You claim i always do it, do what? If I break the rules then you should do the above--like you should for everyone since you have a set of rules (which obviously mean nothing), but the fact you haven't means I haven't otherwise you would have? The member I have reported HAS broke the rules and should be warned and if continuing banned. If you cannot understand this then you shouldn't BE a moderator, because you just make the rules up as you go along and this is a detriment to this online community. I know this is a big reason that you and others who push a worldview on others thrive and just do what you want, and others with different views daren't engage much.
I know this will go in one ear and out the other, because you do not have a supervisor above you and so can do what you want otherwise I would complain about your bias. Is this why you volunteered for this moderator role, prisoner, for a power-trip?
And here is his VERY unprofessional, and rude reply:
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ok, here's another response. stop being such a butthurt little bitch, it's
old and you use this crap to derail topic after topic
Apart from this insult, it is just not true I 'use this crap to derail topic after topic'. Where is the evidence for that accusation?
What I am upset about is why do the rules of that thread, and general rules, ONLY apply to me, and others whose worldview is alternative to his and the members who hide behind him and his power-trip? Is this fair, and is it goo for ANY online community.
If you are going to have rules they should apply to everyone, right? or dont HAVE them and use them as a means to get power over people by changing their meaning when it suits you!
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz]
#15959033 - 03/17/12 12:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It's against the rules to post PM's on the site. You best take them down asap, or you risk having your PM privileges revoked, and another ban.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: BothHands]
#15959056 - 03/17/12 12:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Are personal insults really so bad? It's a forum about drugs, of course debates are going to get heated and sometimes personal. I don't think that's a reason to ban anyone, unless they're doing nothing but going around insulting people.
I think I might have saw the thread you were talking about. Some guy just pretty much told a mod that he didn't know what he was talking about and got banned for it. Talk about abuse of power.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz] 1
#15959089 - 03/17/12 12:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
I have posted here at the Shroomery for a while now, and because most of what I freely want to explore gets shunter to the 'Conspiracies and Cover-ups forum, I post there a bit. I have checkout out the rules and they seem clear enough. That one mustn't be disrespectful to other members, and troll--surely I dont need to paste the rules here right now?
Two mods mocerate the forum--supposedly, Prisoner and Cosmonaut, and some weeks ago I was banned by prisoner for suggesting another member could be a shill, and that his lack of understanding of what I was saying could be because of the 'education' system drilling children in left-brain thinking. It was quite a while after that post, but I received a pm from prisoner telling me I was banned for 6 days and giving the reasons.
Since I have come back, I have been attacked twince, with two members breaking the rules. The first time was my thread, but when I went to click the button that is supposed to notify a mod about a post it had the text that 'this thread is being monitored' or words to that effect. So I had to pm a mod, but was told that I hadn't been insulted. I was not happy about that.
More recently when I was trying to involve my self in a thread, another member said I was "full of shit". That to me is an insult that needs dealing with, so I clicked the mod button and this time it worked, and I explined about it. Then I later received a pm from prisoner telling me that I shouldn't complain because it is only what I do to others! I informed him he wasn't doing his job right, and that if i HAD been doing that he should have warned me, which he didn't, and I refute his accusattion anyhow.
I told him that his moderation is bias, and he supports members who share his worldview and accuses, threatens and bans those who do not, and challenge him and they---that is bias, right?
I just received a pm from prisoner which is very insulting and just proves my point which I will present here for all who read this to see:
Here is prisoner's first response of the rules of the thread being broken:
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I'm sorry you feel insulted but how is what he done any different than what you do?
Here is my response to that:
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I am surprised to even get a response to be honest, but not surprised what the response is.
Look---it is completely out of order how this place is run, totally bias, and this is reflected in your very question. You as moderator should treat everyone equally regardless with whether they share your worldview or not. IF as you imply I had broken the rules this is what proper moderators do--they give a red-text warning first, and if the member continues they are banned for a time period.
You claim i always do it, do what? If I break the rules then you should do the above--like you should for everyone since you have a set of rules (which obviously mean nothing), but the fact you haven't means I haven't otherwise you would have? The member I have reported HAS broke the rules and should be warned and if continuing banned. If you cannot understand this then you shouldn't BE a moderator, because you just make the rules up as you go along and this is a detriment to this online community. I know this is a big reason that you and others who push a worldview on others thrive and just do what you want, and others with different views daren't engage much.
I know this will go in one ear and out the other, because you do not have a supervisor above you and so can do what you want otherwise I would complain about your bias. Is this why you volunteered for this moderator role, prisoner, for a power-trip?
And here is his VERY unprofessional, and rude reply:
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ok, here's another response. stop being such a butthurt little bitch, it's
old and you use this crap to derail topic after topic
Apart from this insult, it is just not true I 'use this crap to derail topic after topic'. Where is the evidence for that accusation?
What I am upset about is why do the rules of that thread, and general rules, ONLY apply to me, and others whose worldview is alternative to his and the members who hide behind him and his power-trip? Is this fair, and is it goo for ANY online community.
If you are going to have rules they should apply to everyone, right? or dont HAVE them and use them as a means to get power over people by changing their meaning when it suits you!
evidence?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15954699#15954699
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14589036#14589036
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14605780#14605780
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14607296#14607296
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14583255#14583255
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14589036#14589036
it's all over Conspiracies and Cover-ups and it goes on and on and on, if
someone disagrees with you then you make the same sort of comments that you
you report as flaming, you claim bias from the mods and cosmo and I have
discussed this in regards to the many reports you've made and both came to
the same consensus, that your actions are a disruption to the forum
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Oasis182]
#15959094 - 03/17/12 12:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Oasis182 said:
Are personal insults really so bad? It's a forum about drugs, of course debates are going to get heated and sometimes personal. I don't think that's a reason to ban anyone, unless they're doing nothing but going around insulting people.
I think I might have saw the thread you were talking about. Some guy just pretty much told a mod that he didn't know what he was talking about and got banned for it. Talk about abuse of power.
could you find that thread please?
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz] 4
#15959182 - 03/17/12 01:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, what I'm going to say is meant in the best way possible and I hope it helps - but I'm not going to be all politically correct about it.
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zzripz said:
More recently when I was trying to involve my self in a thread, another member said I was "full of shit". That to me is an insult that needs dealing with
and there's a couple of ways to do so. Let me make this crystal clear for you: you choose to argue in a pedantic, annoying and condescending manner. Maybe that's not your intention, but it sure comes across like that with others. By itself, I have no problem with that. Many people here do that at times, myself included. However, if you decide to communicate like that, then at least have the balls to deal with the acidic responses that you can only expect. What you're doing now is being the annoying little kid, and then if another kid smacks you across the head, you run to the teacher crying about how the kids are all mean to you. In all honesty, that only makes people laugh and shake their heads - you're not doing yourself any favors with this sort of approach.
So what can you do?
1. Debate in a more friendly and constructive manner and you'll get friendly and constructive replies.
2. Debate in the same way that you've been doing and grow a thicker skin - if you're rude to people, then people are going to be rude to you, so you better be able to deal with that without having to rely on others to haul your ass out of the fire.
3. Don't get involved in debates that get your spirits all fired up.
And also, if you approach a mod with words like these:
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I know this will go in one ear and out the other, because you do not have a supervisor above you and so can do what you want otherwise I would complain about your bias. Is this why you volunteered for this moderator role, prisoner, for a power-trip?
You can expect to get told off in a nasty way. I don't see how you expect any constructive or helpful responses to that from any moderator. Again: you're not doing yourself a favor by approaching people this way.
If you want to be treated as an adult, then stop behaving like a spoiled 6 year old.
Edited by koraks (03/17/12 01:04 PM)
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Oasis182]
#15959388 - 03/17/12 02:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The reason I am pissed off is not because people insult. I insult and am no angel --this is what pisses me off: the fact that rules exist, and yet they dont seem to apply to EVERYONE. THAT!
If I am supposed to have insulted another member and get banned without any warning, why is I can get insulted and when I complain not only am I told that it doesn't matter, but insult is added to injury by being privately insulted by the very mod I have originally complained to
Please tell me what is the POINT of rules if this kind of thing continues? Either HAVE no rules, which I personally would love, or treat ALL members equally, Can't you see what I mean...?
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz] 1
#15959394 - 03/17/12 02:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Its about the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. You are a Spirituality regular, you should know that.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15959493 - 03/17/12 02:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
evidence?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15954699#15954699
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14589036#14589036
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14605780#14605780
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14607296#14607296
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14583255#14583255
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14589036#14589036
No that it is NOT evidence. That is you linking people to pages where I have contributed to discussions. It is not evidence of any breaking of rules.
a) instead of linking whole pages which can be interpreted according to the person's political views and world view, directly paste the actual stuff I have said that is supposed to have broken the rules?
b) IF I HAD infringed the rules then how come you didn't do anything about it?
c) Please tell me WHY being told I am "full of shit" by another member is NOT breaking the rules? Doesn't it say in the rules not to disrespect and provoke and not contributing to the discussion.
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it's all over Conspiracies and Cover-ups and it goes on and on and on, if
someone disagrees with you then you make the same sort of comments that you
you report as flaming, you claim bias from the mods and cosmo and I have
discussed this in regards to the many reports you've made and both came to
the same consensus, that your actions are a disruption to the forum
You are tellin fibs prisoner. It is not all over Conspiracies and Cover-ups, a forum I should let you know which should be ABOUT that title mostly, and openly investigated from all perspectives, and not 'look how the official story owns this forum!'.
I have not claimed bias as much from Cosmo, and have not much dealings with him in that forum, but was very surprised when I informed him of a previous rule broken against me and he didn't think it was. That was when another member suggested I must be 'schizophrenic' and on uppers, or drugs. Let me tell you dude --in the wrong parts of town if you say that to the wrong person, guess what..? yes, they are going to KNOW that is being dissed, and it is. But you just change the meaning OF your rules when it suits you and that is not fair to ALL members.
I am not crazy about this forum I am using as an example, the ATS forums, but at least there it seems all members are treated the same----a mod will first show a red-text warning, openly, about a members, or two members or more behaviour etc, and if broken again a ban will happen. That is best because everyone knows to try and be respectful, but, prisoner, with your way this is what happens:---the members that share your worldview know very well they can get away with breaking the rules and so continue disrespecting other members who want to share alternative views, which PROVOKES the person held in contempt to respond to the put-downs and insults, and eventually this stifles open debate because those with different views from you and your homies can't be arsed to seriously participate, because they know your powers of moderation are being abused and are bias.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: koraks]
#15959537 - 03/17/12 03:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said:
and there's a couple of ways to do so. Let me make this crystal clear for you: you choose to argue in a pedantic, annoying and condescending manner. Maybe that's not your intention, but it sure comes across like that with others. By itself, I have no problem with that. Many people here do that at times, myself included. However, if you decide to communicate like that, then at least have the balls to deal with the acidic responses that you can only expect. What you're doing now is being the annoying little kid, and then if another kid smacks you across the head, you run to the teacher crying about how the kids are all mean to you. In all honesty, that only makes people laugh and shake their heads - you're not doing yourself any favors with this sort of approach.
No, your not digging this. I am NOT a little kid running to teach at all. I HATE fukin rules. I love Youtube, but the comments are too limited. But it is one of the freest places, and you can say ANYTHING and they do, and funnily enough people do NOT need moderators to look after them, and they have the recourse to block. That is what I like and really wich forums were like that. OK?
So if so, do you think it would bother me a person tellin me I am full of shit? But what I do not like and what I am complaining about is when a place CLAIMS to have rules, but it only applies to those whose worldview DIFFERS from the moderator who have put the rules down. That.
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So what can you do?
1. Debate in a more friendly and constructive manner and you'll get friendly and constructive replies.
2. Debate in the same way that you've been doing and grow a thicker skin - if you're rude to people, then people are going to be rude to you, so you better be able to deal with that without having to rely on others to haul your ass out of the fire.
3. Don't get involved in debates that get your spirits all fired up.
I debate how I debate, and that my nature and if I break a rule then I get a warning or a ban and if another person does they do too. THAT is what this thread is about--not HOW you debate. Some people may have a direct approach, but that is not against the rules.
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And also, if you approach a mod with words like these:
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I know this will go in one ear and out the other, because you do not have a supervisor above you and so can do what you want otherwise I would complain about your bias. Is this why you volunteered for this moderator role, prisoner, for a power-trip?
You can expect to get told off in a nasty way. I don't see how you expect any constructive or helpful responses to that from any moderator. Again: you're not doing yourself a favor by approaching people this way.
I was telling it like it is. I am not his fukin child. I am most likely a lot older. I am pissed off because the rules dont seem to apply to me. Pleas etell me--what is purpose of the rules here? Care to past them here and go through them with us so we can understand how you understand them?
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If you want to be treated as an adult, then stop behaving like a spoiled 6 year old.
your just stirring it, and being exactly what I am warning about. Do it--go get the rule book and tell us your interpretation of it. I await.
There is a BIG difference for you reading 'not respecting' you because my worldview challenges yours, and being out and out insulting to you like calling you full of whit. have you ever seen a talk with Richard Dawkins where another talker calls him full of shit? Please show me. it is because they ARE adult, and know how to denate and have dramatic differences of opinion but not get personal. by the way I cant STAND his fukin views.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz]
#15959578 - 03/17/12 03:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said:
The reason I am pissed off is not because people insult. I insult and am no angel --this is what pisses me off: the fact that rules exist, and yet they dont seem to apply to EVERYONE. THAT!
Yes, the rules are universal. They apply to everyone. If you feel this isn't the case, then you should definitely report the issue. But based on what you state in this topic, I don't see any evidence of bias, nepotism or preferred treatment regarding moderation of these boards.
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If I am supposed to have insulted another member and get banned without any warning
From your ban record, I can tell that this is not true - and so can you; you can access your ban record here (I think...not really sure because the page we see as mods is different from the one regular users get to see). According to your ban record, you received three official warnings in 2011, all due to flaming or name-calling. In such a case (several warnings issued for the same kind of offense), a temporary ban usually follows if additional violations are observed by the moderators. If you want to debate how many warnings a user should receive in a certain time frame before a ban is issued, then that's fine by me; be sure to file an admin ticket on that. But it is certainly not true that you have never been warned about your behavior and that you were banned out of the blue.
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I HATE fukin rules.
I noticed that 
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But it is one of the freest places, and you can say ANYTHING and they do, and funnily enough people do NOT need moderators to look after them, and they have the recourse to block. That is what I like and really wich forums were like that. OK?
OK, but we do have rules. Places that have little to no rules include OTD (and 4chan of course). For the rest of the boards, we have lenient policies, but a few rules to prevent things from getting out of hand.
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But what I do not like and what I am complaining about is when a place CLAIMS to have rules, but it only applies to those whose worldview DIFFERS from the moderator who have put the rules down. That.
No, I think you got it wrong. If that were the case, the entire Conspiracy forum wouldn't exist. That place is full of people whose world view doesn't align at all with that of most of the mods here. However, none of the mods here on the Shroomery believes in total anarchy. So perhaps that's a difference between you and the mods; that's possible.
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your just stirring it, and being exactly what I am warning about.
Well, thanks for the warning.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: koraks]
#15960249 - 03/17/12 06:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koraks said:
From your ban record, I can tell that this is not true - and so can you; you can access your ban record here (I think...not really sure because the page we see as mods is different from the one regular users get to see). According to your ban record, you received three official warnings in 2011, all due to flaming or name-calling. In such a case (several warnings issued for the same kind of offense), a temporary ban usually follows if additional violations are observed by the moderators. If you want to debate how many warnings a user should receive in a certain time frame before a ban is issued, then that's fine by me; be sure to file an admin ticket on that. But it is certainly not true that you have never been warned about your behavior and that you were banned out of the blue.
lol, so your saying YOUR a mod now? Where is the warning in your avatar? And whats with the ban records. Suddenly I feel in the arms of the law already? My ban record has nothing whatsoever to do with this discrepancy. The fact is if i WAS banned then it is because I borke the rules. I keep saying that seeing there are supposed to be rules I have no problem with this, but I do when they only apply to some and not others.
And you are wrong--I was not OFFICIALLY warned (do you know what an offical mod warning should be?) at all. I am always getting threatening behaviour, and attitude, but this I have seen for anyone who challenges the worldview that the mods I have had trouble with and the members that share that dish out. But that is NOT an offical moderator warning!
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I HATE fukin rules.
I noticed that
Look, do not forget that this thread is not about me. I am not talking about ME breaking a rule, I am talking about notifiying a moderator about a rule being broken against me and nothing being done about it! So don't twist what is being said. I meant I hate rules but in a place which supposedly DEMANDS rules, then they should apply to everyone. Can you understand this? How many more times do I need to spell this out?
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OK, but we do have rules. Places that have little to no rules include OTD (and 4chan of course). For the rest of the boards, we have lenient policies, but a few rules to prevent things from getting out of hand.
Well you have rules, that is what this is about, and I am questioning the bias in the APPLICATION of them.
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No, I think you got it wrong. If that were the case, the entire Conspiracy forum wouldn't exist. That place is full of people whose world view doesn't align at all with that of most of the mods here. However, none of the mods here on the Shroomery believes in total anarchy. So perhaps that's a difference between you and the mods; that's possible.
I dont really about most of the mods in the Shroomery. They may be marvelous. I know that I have never had any trouble in the spiritual forums (and by the way, have you seen just how many posts i have DONE at these forums and the effort I have put in--check them out and you will see PAGES), and a few others, but the so-called Conspiracieis and Coer-ups is where it is very polocy--gatekeeperish--for those who have alternative views--for those who questions the official stories regarding 9/11 etc, and also questioning scientific materialism. God HELP you if you mentions UFOs in the affirmative. I witcnessed one guy who tried to VERY intelligently explore about one of the most interesting South African UFO cases of many school children witnessing UFOs and entities and he was threatened with being banned often and treated like shit!! He left totally disillusioned with the Shroomery. That is not cool!
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Well, thanks for the warning.
well its more than what people insulting me, breaking the rules, get. SOMEONE's gotta do it!
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz]
#15960410 - 03/17/12 07:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said:
The reason I am pissed off is not because people insult. I insult and am no angel --this is what pisses me off: the fact that rules exist, and yet they dont seem to apply to EVERYONE. THAT!
If I am supposed to have insulted another member and get banned without any warning, why is I can get insulted and when I complain not only am I told that it doesn't matter, but insult is added to injury by being privately insulted by the very mod I have originally complained to
Please tell me what is the POINT of rules if this kind of thing continues? Either HAVE no rules, which I personally would love, or treat ALL members equally, Can't you see what I mean...?
ok, so you insult people and are frequently not banned, others insult you
and are frequently not banned, you insult someone and you get banned, they
insult you and they get banned... where's the bias?
oh yeah, because you're all butthurt about it and you hit the notify mod
button a couple times per day because you want to stretch anything someone
says in some goatsesque fashion into an insult in order for them to be
banned... that makes you a bully that tries to use the mods as your muscle
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evidence?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15954699#15954699
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14589036#14589036
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14605780#14605780
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14607296#14607296
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14583255#14583255
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14589036#14589036
No that it is NOT evidence. That is you linking people to pages where I have contributed to discussions. It is not evidence of any breaking of rules.
it's evidence of you derailing threads as I had stated with your incessant
whining about how people should be banned because you say you feel insulted
even though you clearly stated that you flame people as well
where's the bias? do you believe you're the only one that's been banned
from that forum?
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz]
#15960437 - 03/17/12 07:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said:
I debate how I debate, and that my nature and if I break a rule then I get a warning or a ban and if another person does they do too.
so you're saying that there is in fact no bias and you only started this thread to create drama
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: zzripz] 2
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I don't know man. You seem to attack people all the time. It seems like every time someone questions your conclusions you respond with some rant about the person's mental deficiencies or some "left/right brain indoctrination".
You should try discussing the issue rather than your irrelevant perceptions of the other person's personal qualities.
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Since I have come back, I have been attacked twince, with two members breaking the rules. The first time was my thread, but when I went to click the button that is supposed to notify a mod about a post it had the text that 'this thread is being monitored' or words to that effect. So I had to pm a mod, but was told that I hadn't been insulted. I was not happy about that.
Ok, so you weren't happy. That is irrelevant. What is relevant is some clear evidence that inappropriate discrimination has occured, yet you don't provide anything to support such a position.
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More recently when I was trying to involve my self in a thread, another member said I was "full of shit". That to me is an insult that needs dealing with, so I clicked the mod button and this time it worked, and I explined about it. Then I later received a pm from prisoner telling me that I shouldn't complain because it is only what I do to others! I informed him he wasn't doing his job right, and that if i HAD been doing that he should have warned me, which he didn't, and I refute his accusattion anyhow.
k, so what?
Again, if there's some inappropriate or unequal treatment occuring here, your going to need to show that this is the case- bare conclusions aren't helpful. If you want Pris to agree with you (or anyone else), you're going to need to make a convincing case, and that's going to require a clear argument premised on cited facts.
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lol, so your saying YOUR a mod now? Where is the warning in your avatar? And whats with the ban records. Suddenly I feel in the arms of the law already? My ban record has nothing whatsoever to do with this discrepancy.
? Your writing is pretty hard to follow. If you want someone to look into this, your going to need to communicate clearly. Honestly, I don't see what Koraks being a moderator or not has to do with anything.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: johnm214]
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 Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Newbie] 2
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This thread needs moar mods  . . . 
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15962501 - 03/18/12 08:41 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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that makes you a bully that tries to use the mods as your muscle
Yes, its pretty annoying.
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15962536 - 03/18/12 09:07 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ok, so you insult people and are frequently not banned,
SHOW this thread the evidence for what your accusing me of---not pages, but the actual insults your referring to which are supposed to have broken the rules?
You already previously banned me without any official warning for suggesting another member could be a shill (hasn't there been posts in that forum where you've been accused of being a shill? Why didn't you ban the person who started the thread and those who agreed?) and that the reason that they are not grasping what was being shown time and time again is most likely due to an education system that drills left-brain-thinking into us since being little. I didn't tell him he was a stupid fuck, I was trying to share honest feedback why he is not grasping what is being said and just kept coming back coming back over and over with the same questions and claiming I am imagining things. For that you banned me without warning. So to repeat--if you say I have insulted members and broke the rules show the ACTUAL text so we can see if it has broken the rules. Fair?
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2) others insult you
and are frequently not banned,
Like who? name me one person who has insulted me and even got a warning, never mind a ban?
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3) you insult someone and you get banned, they
insult you and they get banned... 4) where's the bias?
I don't really know what your talking about. Who has been banned who insulted me? Then I will let you know
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oh yeah, because you're all butthurt about it and you hit the notify mod
button a couple times per day because you want to stretch anything someone
says in some goatsesque fashion into an insult in order for them to be
banned... that makes you a bully that tries to use the mods as your muscle
I am not "butthurt", and I do not notify the moderator button twice a day. You are making this up for your audience. Tell me though, WHY do you have the mod button? Is it not part of the rules that if the rules are broken that a member has the right to contact the moderator and inform them about it and not expect firther abuse from the very moderator who should remain impartial? Look what has happened to me trying to do this, and you question me about bias, and call ME a bully?
Prisoner, you need to read and study this:
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The importance of maintaining impartiality during conflict resolution
An Online Community Manager needs to possess a strong grasp of communication skills to navigate the sometimes tortuous interactions they will have with their company’s customers.
When managing people on mass-user platforms such as forums, chat-rooms or within blog comments, you will have no doubt have witnessed two or more community members at each other’s throat, ultimately resulting in both sides pleading their case to you.
Whether negotiation, a stern word or a banning ends up being in order, you must be able to display impartiality, which is one of the more common aspects of the role of the moderator.
Easier said than done…
Of course, no-one is asking you to become an unfeeling automaton; we all have our own feelings and bias, but it is important to work in such a way that this bias is minimised in the period during which you consider how to resolve an issue between several members of your online community.
While it is impossible to be completely impartial, we can continually review what we think and feel about participants and the situation to maintain awareness of our natural inclination towards bias, and this is an important part of being an effective and fair moderator of online discussions.
It’s likely that if you have managed an online community for a while, you will get to know certain members more than others. There is a natural temptation to ‘take sides’ in an argument when we know one of the participants, but this will just entrench people into feelings of disillusionment and anger if this bias becomes apparent.
This leads to further problems in resolving clashes in your forum or chat-room later, in the worst case scenario losing you the respect you need from your members to successfully manage your community’s growth.
Try to rise above yourself and attain fairness
As a moderator, you may witness very unpleasant behaviour on the part of participants, much of which may go against your personal beliefs. Borderline racism, aggressive comments, anger, and ganging up will all occur and you need to be able to acknowledge your bias and avoid drawing conclusions before referring to your moderation guidelines and applying them. This will allow you to remain consistent in your behaviour and maintain the emotional distance required to be seen as fair and impartial.
Alternatively, you may see someone in your online community being victimised by others due to whatever personal trait others have taken offence to. This may be an incapacity to see their point of view, or poor spelling.
Due to this you would naturally feel protective towards the victim and deduce that others’ behaviour towards them is tantamount to bullying. However following this reasoning and castigating those being critical will lead to an escalation of the issue.
The right approach is often the hardest one
An impartial approach would be to support the victim in resolving the behaviour causing offence and reaching a compromise with those aggrieved, rather than allowing the issue to escalate and result in disciplinary action being taken, or encouraging the use of an “ignore” tool or advising others to cease communicating with the victim.
Attacking those reacting to the victim’s behaviour is more likely to lead to further attacks as they feel isolated in their opinions on suitable community behaviour, become defensive and take to baiting the victim or yourself. Then you will lose your impatiality fully as you come under attack and become much less effective, if at all, in resolving the dispute.
This example illustrates why impartiality is important to communicating effectively, by carefully considering our own prejudices and preconseptions. Our judgement may be affected by forum participants’ ability to spell or command of our native language, or we may be disturbed by chat-room members’ lifestyle.
Regardless of our biases, it is vital to apply decisions in when and how to enforce the moderation policy consistently and ensure our communication and fairness is effective and conscientious.
The bottom line is that you are the only person who can commit to taking stock of your personal views, assess whether they are affecting your judgement and taking action to rectify this in order to maintain your impartiality.
If you don’t do this, you have to accept you may be cultivating a clique rather than nurturing a community.
Have you been accused of not being impartial in your dealings with conflict in your online community? How do you work towards being fair and consistent in your approach to conflict resolution? [source]
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Re: BIAS and private insults at the Shroomery [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15962550 - 03/18/12 09:18 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said:
I debate how I debate, and that my nature and if I break a rule then I get a warning or a ban and if another person does they do too.
so you're saying that there is in fact no bias and you only started this thread to create drama
No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that I am feeling you, and others who support your moderation, are trying to make out that the WAY I debate, or put ideas across is somehow insulting other members, and therefore breaking the rules, and I should be banned for it, but you are letting me off. But that is very easy to imagine IF my direct form of getting points across upsets them because my ideas challenge their ideas, and worldviews, and they dont like it. In that sense you and they can pretend that I am being 'insulting', and 'breaking the rules', but it is NOT breaking the rules at all. But if I openly call someone 'mentally ill and on drugs' or 'full of shit' and just troll with one sentences which do not contribute to the discussion then according to your list of rules that is breaking them, and they should receive an OPEN warning, and if persisting a ban---which is more than you decided for me a few weeks ago when out of the blue I got a pm telling me I was banned.
So the fact that up to now I have only seen you ban me for 'breaking the rules', very much yes I DID start this thread not for drama, but to point this out, and get it out into the open
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