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 How will making pot legal improve society? 
#15949470 - 03/15/12 04:03 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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What I don't understand is if it does become legal, why does it have to be a medical thing? People like to smoke it and get high. I know the alcohol comparison is used frequently and Reefer Madness makes people question the integrity of the law. So my question is how will making pot legal improve society?
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki]
#15949481 - 03/15/12 04:07 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The prisons will be less crowded.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: muistrue]
#15949486 - 03/15/12 04:08 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well, we came make meth, lsd and other drugs legal and that'll lower the prison population. What makes pot different?
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki] 3
#15949489 - 03/15/12 04:09 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well, we came make meth, lsd and other drugs legal and that'll lower the prison population.
Hell yeah I'm down for that too.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: muistrue]
#15949497 - 03/15/12 04:11 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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So you just want to make every drug legal and let people make their own decisions, you think that'd fly?
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki] 3
#15949500 - 03/15/12 04:12 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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^ and we should.
think about how pill pushing doctors make careers from dosing children with amphetamines and experimental psychotropic drugs. while at the same time innocent people are being thrown in prison for simply dosing themselves with drugs. how does that make any sense?
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#15949504 - 03/15/12 04:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, why stop at pot and not just every drugs? I'm not so sure about the doctor thing I mean they're trained physicians they can make educated decisions regarding peoples health, you know?
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki]
#15949508 - 03/15/12 04:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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So you just want to make every drug legal and let people make their own decisions, you think that'd fly?
I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime if ever.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki] 1
#15949515 - 03/15/12 04:18 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Every drug should be legal, the harm caused by them being illegal is much greater then the current situation. You think some fucking junky would be pimping there 6 year old kid out like we had on the news forum earlier this week if it was legal? Fuck no it'd cost fucking nothing she could actually afford it instead of it being a hugely inflated price.
I'm not saying that idea would ever work in our society. People are way to against it I know it wont ever happen in my life time which is a fucking shame people are so stupid.
Making pot legal will help society because we wont have billions of dollars in tax money going towards busting pot dealers and pot users, or any drug dealer and drug user if we make them all legal.
The biggest problem you hear about with junkies is them stealing shit from there family, robbing places and so on to get a fix. All these drugs cost fucking pennies in reality, seriously as much as fucking corn or tomatoes nothing. That problem would be eliminated.
Also imagine a world where you could go to a restaurant. The restaurant offers you some weed to smoke instead of just alcohol. Think of how much that would help out restaurants people would be buying food like crazy it'd boost that industry as well as stop the burden it puts on the tax payers.
Maybe Mexico isn't part of our society but it would help them as well. We wouldn't have tens of thousands of people dieing in Mexico from the Cartels because the fucking Cartels would be out of business. The benefits to society are ridiculous I could go on for pages but I'm afraid no one would read it so I'll end my post now.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mycjunky]
#15949520 - 03/15/12 04:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I am part of society and weed being legal would make me happier.
can't wait!
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki] 1
#15949529 - 03/15/12 04:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not so sure about the doctor thing I mean they're trained physicians they can make educated decisions regarding peoples health, you know?
Most psychiatrists will prescribe incredibly dangerous drugs to children. Perhaps they are trained physicians.. but they don't have ethical standards that would influence them to deny the financial benefits that come with hopping on the pharmaceutical bandwagon. And we still don't know the long term effects of most drugs these doctors prescribe to children. Of course this goes for adults as well. I'm just pointing out how doctors have lower drug-dealer standards than your average street vendor.
Regardless, people should be able to experiment with their own minds; as so long as they receive sufficient information regarding the risks associated with the drug. I believe people should only be prevented from doing so when they become violent and/or dangerous.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#15949534 - 03/15/12 04:28 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just pointing out how doctors have lower drug-dealer standards than your average street vendor.
  
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mycjunky]
#15949542 - 03/15/12 04:31 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting, would that be a realistic solution though. Would the adverse effects trump the positive? How exactly would that work, would LSD be sold in any o' store could there be generic lsd brands? Should a patient be able to go to their doctor and be like I feel like tripping balls today and get something or should it be like buying aspirin?
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: NWlight]
#15949546 - 03/15/12 04:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Nuggetpouch has a point. I can't say the drug dealers I've known have had a lot of ethical standards but regular licensed physicians dish out much more dangerous drugs then street vendors do in many cases. Most the drugs street vendors are selling have been around for 50+ years, unlike the pharmaceuticals that have hardly even been tested. I think it's clear which ones are safer even the smallest change to pharmaceutical drug can cause horrible side affects and yet people trust them after very short periods of testing. Not the case with LSD, mushrooms, marijuana, fuck even opiates.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mafeki]
#15949553 - 03/15/12 04:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting, would that be a realistic solution though. Would the adverse effects trump the positive? How exactly would that work, would LSD be sold in any o' store could there be generic lsd brands? Should a patient be able to go to their doctor and be like I feel like tripping balls today and get something or should it be like buying aspirin?
How could it get much worst? I'd say it's at least worth giving it a shot cause clearly the current solution is not working. If after 5 or so years of total legalization things are getting worst then I'll be the first to say I was wrong. Only way it can get worst is if we have more junkies, which we have plenty of and drug use is just going up. I think the number of addicts would go down but I'd still rather have a couple more addicts then 40,000 people dieing in mexico over moving a substance that should be worth as much as most produce you buy at the grocery store.
I know for sure though just cause they make meth or heroin illegal I'm not going to go out and do it. At least if it was legal people wouldn't feel pressured to hide there habits, people could actually discuss it instead of having programs like DARE force utter bullshit down peoples throats that does more damage then good.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Nuggetpouch]
#15949559 - 03/15/12 04:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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tha fuck are you guys talking about 
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Most psychiatrists will prescribe incredibly dangerous drugs to children. Perhaps they are trained physicians.. but they don't have ethical standards that would influence them to deny the financial benefits that come with hopping on the pharmaceutical bandwagon
Incredibly dangerous... like what?
1) Doctors do not push pills down patients' throats, they are taken by choice. In the case of children, the parents make this choice for their kid.
2) Information about any medication, including any known risks are told to the patient and usually other options are discussed depending on that individual patient's needs.
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And we still don't know the long term effects of most drugs these doctors prescribe to children. Of course this goes for adults as well
1) The risks of a medicine are always weighed against the perceived benefits. Obviously the doctors cannot foresee long-term problems with a medication, they are restricted by what science and laboratory trials have discovered so far.
2) It is a very long process trying to get a drug to market, with rigorous testing and safety checks. Some medications will make it through that are later found to have dangerous side effects, but the VAST VAST VAST majority of medications do not have these problems.
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I'm just pointing out how doctors have lower drug-dealer standards than your average street vendor.
the fuck? Doctors distribute pure medicines to patients who need them. They require ID, and all medicines are tracked. They do not give you more medication than they think you will need to get better. They are given a DEA license that can be taken away.
It is not fair to compare a crack, heroin, hell even marijuana dealer to a doctor. Last time i checked, dealers will sell drugs to anyone with money. Doctors give medicines based on need.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: NWlight]
#15949572 - 03/15/12 04:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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society'll be alll groOo0vy maaaaaan
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mycjunky]
#15949577 - 03/15/12 04:51 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Mycjunky:
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I can't say the drug dealers I've known have had a lot of ethical standards but regular licensed physicians dish out much more dangerous drugs then street vendors do in many cases.
more dangerous than heroin? crack? methamphetamine?
Especially in the case of potentially abused medicines like benzos and opiates, they are only given to patients who truly need them, and only as much as the doctor thinks the patient needs.
It's true that lots of people "doctor shop" and fake back pain for opiates, but how can you blame that on the doctor? It is not their job to be a detective, it is their job to help people and remove pain. Again, I say here that doctors/their pharmacists tell patients information about each medicine they are given and about any potential side effects, etc.
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Most the drugs street vendors are selling have been around for 50+ years, unlike the pharmaceuticals that have hardly even been tested
Again, no. It is INCREDIBLY difficult to get a medicine approved for distribution to the public. In fact, it takes ~800 MILLION dollars and several steps of testing to get a single medicine from phase I trials to the shelf.
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I think it's clear which ones are safer even the smallest change to pharmaceutical drug can cause horrible side affects
This is true with any molecule. In fact, even the shifting of a few hydrogens to a different orientation (not even attached to a different part of the molecule, just oriented differently) can turn a helpful anti-inflammatory into a liver toxin.
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and yet people trust them after very short periods of testing. Not the case with LSD, mushrooms, marijuana, fuck even opiates.
here you do have a point. LSD, mushrooms, marijuana are relatively safe this is true. The reason people trust medicines are safe is that there are so many checks, double checks, triple checks in place to make sure that medicines distributed are helpful and do not have side effects that outweigh their benefits.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: NWlight]
#15949592 - 03/15/12 05:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I understand your point. Most doctors I understand operate with the absolute full intention of helping there patient. However costing 800 million dollars to get a drug to market doesn't make me believe it's safe in any way. Most these doctors really don't know that much about the drugs they are prescribing anyways.
The negative side affects I've heard people have from pharmaceuticals are just unbelievable compared to most these street drugs I mentioned in comparison. Not that those drugs can solve all those problems but the fact is with many of these drugs it could take many years to realize the damage they are doing.
I'm certainly not making an argument against pharmaceutical drugs many can be amazing but the pharmaceutical industry can pump out so many with all the money they have and many do cause tons of very harmful side affects. I can't say I see that as being much different from a street dealer, it's all abut money not the health of the customer in reality. People just have to be smart enough to understand that, and by labeling those drugs as less harmful then illegal drugs I think we are doing more harm then good.
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Re: How will making pot legal improve society? [Re: Mycjunky]
#15949612 - 03/15/12 05:13 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, many pharmaceutical drugs have bad side effects.
To that all I have to say is this:
-Except in cases of the mentally ill, Patients are never forced to take any medication. They are advised on any side effects and benefits and decide they want to take it.
-Whatever medicine is given to a patient, it is simply the best that science has to offer (so far). It might not be perfect, but most of the time it's better than the symptoms of the disease the patient has.
Especially in the cases of bad diseases, more invasive medications are needed and therefore the side effects will be worse (Think chemotherapy).
As for the pharmaceutical industry as a whole.... It's atrocious the profits that they rake in.
HOWEVER, after working for a pharmaceutical research company and volunteering at homeless shelter's pharmacy, I have seen a side of that industry most people don't get to see.
I have actually shifted my stance to be in support of the big pharma beign privately-owned. Shocking, right?? People love to hate big pharma.
This is my case:
Only privately-owned businesses can afford to take the financial risk on all of the countless medications that turn out to be useless or more harmful than helpful.
Also, privately-owned companies are MUCH more efficient than anything the government does.
There are drawbacks and benefits, of course.
the biggest drawback (in my mind) is that the drugs being created and patented by private companies makes them expensive and it means that the companies try to peddle their wares aggressively.
However, the biggest benefit (again, in my mind) of privatized pharmaceuticals in the USA is that a business with a financial interest in producing more medicines will be much more effective at producing useful medicines because they have that $$$ incentive.
ups and downs, mang.  
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