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 Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral  [Re: koraks]
#15943057 - 03/13/12 07:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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ok. has anyone else had a kid speak up? this thread reeks of cynicism. sheesh...
why does there even need to be a reason to have a child? my son was due to unprotected sex because a) i am allergic to latex b) birth control wigs out my system, gives me rashes and fucks with my breathing and is laced with fake/horse hormones and c) me and my fiance like to fuck.
yes, abortion did come as a question. no we decided not to have one. i don't care what you do with your body, don't try to tell me what to do with mine. it's fine that people will logically try to assume that an unborn fetus doesn't have a soul, and it's not "alive" yet. but let me tell you, i knew who he was when he was in me, and i felt him the whole time. and when i thought of having an abortion, i cried. because just because other people are shitty in the world, i still have happiness. i still find a way to love myself and the world and humans as a whole. i've never been good with authority and i never will be. i don't listen to what people have to say if they are trying to constrict what i am. i just do it anyway. society can do what it wants. i am going to do what i want. and my child will learn from that.
everything that you learn from life shapes you. and a child will be shaped into another person just like you. my son will be my age eventually. and i'm positive that he will look at life with wide and loving eyes. he will know what it is to be hurt, to love, to care, and to be filled with rage. because this is his journey. not mine. you are the teacher. and yes, it is your choice to be one.
would you have rather had your parents abort you? would you have even cared to not lived the way you have? would you even have the courage to raise another being in the best way possible?
i still have hope for the coming generations. for christ' sake, i had a kid yell at me for wasting water. yea, there are shitty kids from shitty people but there are smart and loving, and imaginative little kids out there.
take a look at yourself if you are pregnant, and ask yourself if you can do it. if you can't, don't. it's not easy, but it's simple. no one else can tell you what you can or can't do. just make sure that you don't do it for selfish reasons. and become another statistic while you're at it. but i know plenty of mothers and fathers that have kids and do a great job. we have so much at our fingertips, and a lot of people out there have common sense. they are proactive in shaping a great future. just because you don't see it on the television doesn't mean it's not out there. we already know there's corruption. and that's what you're seeing. corruption and probably your crappy childhood. but you weren't the only one. and some of us have it going good.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: pachoo]
#15943509 - 03/13/12 09:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Responsibility does not equal control.
Well, you're shaping the person's genetics, their environment and their intellectual and emotional upbringing, i can't really think of anything more controlling than that.
Physical force being one of the primary methods of teaching/controlling children.
would anyone here care to disagree with me that the whole spirit of modernity is "No one has the right to control me". I would say that line of thinking came about when the world realized people are fucking retarded, even kings and emperors and so on.
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Most people that i've been exposed to are so dumb they don't even know how to walk or sit without doing long term damage to themselves, till eventually they become hobbled little old people with joints like dried sticks.
People are so dumb they can't differentiate between something tasting good and it being good to eat.
People are so dumb they can't even breathe well! I'm sure a whole bunch of you on here have done breathing exercises and know what i'm talking about.
Not knowing how to breathe, walk, sit, or eat, and still thinking you're responsible enough to create another person and control their destiny, i'll quote myself
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You'd have to be retarded to not realize you're too dumb to be trusted with control of another person.
All the statements about raising a child for pleasure, i would consider that immoral. Total control of another person without some serious credentials is not a nice thing to do to people. I Certainly would not give the same amount of control over my life parents have to anyone i've met.
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if there is a bias in my reasoning, please point it out to me. I really am trying to see a different point of view.
As to arguments about me being aborted, or not having raised kids after i die: i wouldn't care because i'm not alive. No aborted children are crying about not being alive, no unborn people are crying about not being alive. No dead people are thinking "Well at least my genetics are still out there".
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller] 2
#15943523 - 03/13/12 09:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Because you want to have kids.
Thats a good enough reason if you aren't incompetent. If you are, don't have kids.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Uzziel]
#15943554 - 03/13/12 09:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Why is any random parent qualified to be in total control of their child's life because they want to, but not your life?
why don't you let your own parents control your life right now? If they were qualified to be in complete charge of you before, what changed? are you now smarter them then or better than them in some way? have they grown dumber or less competent?
also i'm just gonna throw out there i'm not going to consider any ayn rand "fuck everyone else" morality as valid arguments.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15943573 - 03/13/12 09:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know what you're talking about. Other people do influence your life, majorly through politics and the policies they put in place by voting in certain members of congress and state legislators.
They may not have you in a cage feeding you bananas, but they directly impact your life on a daily basis.
Having a child has nothing to do with controlling their life. If that is how you view life, I pity you. It is so much more than just controlling someone. It's helping someone develop into somebody. A parent is only worried and wants to the best for their child (read: only if they are competent).
You act like it is such a terrible thing. I don't see why.
Life is a blessing. If you think otherwise, no one is forcing you to stay here... ya know?
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Uzziel]
#15943675 - 03/13/12 10:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You're being kinda hypocrite and/or naive. By what you've written it seems you're biased towards your own way of portraying what a responsible adult is.
The world is bigger than your healthy foods and breathing exercises, in the sense that healthiness is not the same as happiness, just as being successful economically isn't (though they may help).
No one really knows what all of this life is about or what is really best for us, we just live and learn. Having kids can be part of that process. You decide to take part in the process of nature in which you have the chance to help another self-conscious creature live in this world and survive.
No one will ever be prepared for that just as no one who has never tripped before will ever be prepared for what a trip really is.
That is why I suggest that it is not retarded or immoral, it is mostly fun.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Horsewithnoname]
#15944591 - 03/14/12 01:57 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sorry i don't really see how what you two wrote has much to do with what i've been saying. If you want me to respond to it I can.
Yes there is a system of political and cultural control in place, but no one is telling me when to go to sleep or what to eat. You can call it helping if you want, but my question still stands: Why don't you have anyone telling you when to go to sleep and what to eat now? At what point did your authority exceed theirs, what changed?
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The world is bigger than your healthy foods and breathing exercises, in the sense that healthiness is not the same as happiness, just as being successful economically isn't (though they may help).
As far as that goes, i'm just saying most people can't even do the basic functions necessary to sustain life very well. people are even worse at the rest of life.
I get happiness from making people cry. If thats a qualification for parenting then LOL.
Also, i think life is awesome thank you very much, and i intend to stick around as long as possible. Just because life is awesome doesn't mean i'm qualified to try and teach another person right from wrong, or tell them when its a good time to go to bed.
Unless i am? happiness was mentioned, but i still don't understand what qualifications you guys think makes a person fit to teach another person how to live. I'm sure whatever those qualifications are, i'm more then qualified to tell people in this thread what clothes to wear and to go clean their rooms.
I've already asked people to point out to me what my bias is. If i'm biased, PLEASE describe the bias thats clouding my understanding.
edit: If anyone wants me to respond to them individually i'm up for it. Like i said i'm honestly seeking another point of view. Uhm just like vague "you're wrong" and "kids feel good man" isn't really going to help me. I made like rational arguments, and you're probably going to have to address what i actually wrote and i'm thinking.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15944999 - 03/14/12 05:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You're in denial.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Mafeki]
#15945007 - 03/14/12 05:43 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Mafeki said:
To mature your relationship with a woman and to raise a child.
Non of these have to be retarded or immoral.
this should have [/endthread] right here.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller] 1
#15945307 - 03/14/12 09:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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teamkiller said:
Most people that i've been exposed to are so dumb they don't even know how to walk or sit without doing long term damage to themselves, till eventually they become hobbled little old people with joints like dried sticks.
People are so dumb they can't differentiate between something tasting good and it being good to eat.
People are so dumb they can't even breathe well! I'm sure a whole bunch of you on here have done breathing exercises and know what i'm talking about.
Not knowing how to breathe, walk, sit, or eat, and still thinking you're responsible enough to create another person and control their destiny, i'll quote myself
most dumb people dont realize how dumb they are. in fact many believe
themselves to be quite smart and then they open their mouths about how
they're surrounded by stupidity
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if there is a bias in my reasoning, please point it out to me. I really am trying to see a different point of view.
you shouldnt bother, you wont be able to see it
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15945323 - 03/14/12 09:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like that have children so that they can see the future! The future of technology, space ships, etc. Even if it's not in the next generation but down the line they will see the future. That's if my kids have kids, which I would like to see them do. Show me your Playstation 9's and gaming cafes, virtual reality, etc.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Droz] 2
#15945504 - 03/14/12 11:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I was on my way home from work yesterday listening to the radio.
This lady sold her 1 year old kid for 15,000 to pay for a trip to disney land.
kids=bank
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: koraks]
#15945576 - 03/14/12 11:43 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koraks said:
You're in denial.
about what?
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15945580 - 03/14/12 11:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well, you're so preoccupied with the whole kids business that you're wrecking your brain to work out why people want this. If you really didn't give a fuck, you wouldn't have created a thread about it. I think you're experiencing cognitive dissonance to some extent.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15945583 - 03/14/12 11:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I had kids because I wanted to pass on my genes to the next generation. I had kids because I've always known that kids are the reason we are here. I'm not going to pretend like I have all the answers, or could teach it to anyone even if I did...but I do think I've got a fairly good handle on things and I do think that I can teach some of that to my children.
"People are so dumb"....way to generalize. 
Speak for yourself. Yeah, I have met a lot of really stupid people...but I've met some incredibly smart people, too. Try changing your surroundings - if the people you surround yourself with are stupid, then it's no wonder you come away with such a viewpoint! You have only yourself to blame, for this.
why don't you let your own parents control your life right now? If they were qualified to be in complete charge of you before, what changed? are you now smarter them then or better than them in some way? have they grown dumber or less competent?
There is this little part of life called "growing up" that most of us do, at some point. My parents were in charge of me when I was growing up because I couldn't be in charge of myself. I would have happily spent my days munching on candy and watching cartoons...but instead I had to go to school, do chores, homework, and all the stuff that I didn't want to do, at the time, but am grateful for now. Yes, I have grown smarter than my parents...though I am sure this isn't true for everyone. No, my parents haven't grown dumber or less competent.
Do I smell a bit of a parental issue here? You forget that some of us actually have good parents 
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: trendal]
#15945596 - 03/14/12 11:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well, you're so preoccupied with the whole kids business that you're wrecking your brain to work out why people want this. If you really didn't give a fuck, you wouldn't have created a thread about it. I think you're experiencing cognitive dissonance to some extent.
Look at my posting times. I'm not wrecking my brain over this. I i never said i don't a fuck, i would imagine its clear i have an interest in this topic.
I think you're the one having cognitive dissonance to some extent here buddy.
did my words break your brain you can't deal with them directly?
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15945603 - 03/14/12 11:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I really don't get the aggressive tone, 'buddy'. I'm just pointing out what I think is happening. And no, I'm not going to run a background check on this. You ask a question, you get answers. If you can't deal with those answers, then that's your problem.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: koraks]
#15945626 - 03/14/12 11:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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you're not giving me answers though. You're skirting my arguments and putting words i'm not saying in my virtual mouth, then calling cognitive dissonance and saying i'm in denial. Thats a very confusing thing.
thanks trendal i gotta go to work, i'll be back later.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15945640 - 03/14/12 12:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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teamkiller said:
you're not giving me answers though.
I wrote a fairly lengthy reply to your OP. Perhaps you missed it. I don't care really, but don't state I'm not giving answers, 'cause that's demonstrably false.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: koraks]
#15945650 - 03/14/12 12:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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true enough. I tried responding. overall look at the tone of the thread. responses are like "nah kids are fun"... someone even suggested if i don't like life then kill myself. got me riled.
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