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 Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate?  [Re: thedoc8]
#15943227 - 03/13/12 08:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well I went with TranscendingLife's Method for colonizing his tubs and he tapes all his holes up during colonization. This is to keep CO2 levels up and help the mycelium to colonize faster. The pools of water are minimal and very manageable, there soaked up with paper towels (light dabs) when all my holes are opened up for fruiting conditions, then i start to fan. And Yeah I've noticed the mycelium starting to jump across the cracks and reform.
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I think after all said and done you will need a wheelbarrow to haul em out. If no contamination. Good luck.
Finally an optimist!!  my favorite kind of people!! FYI I just picked and dried about half of the 1st flush for the 4 tubs and.......8.3oz dry. Very NIce! I have a feeling the 2nd flush is going to be better than the 2nd!!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15943295 - 03/13/12 08:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well I went with TranscendingLife's Method for colonizing his tubs and he tapes all his holes up during colonization. This is to keep CO2 levels up and help the mycelium to colonize faster. The pools of water are minimal and very manageable, there soaked up with paper towels (light dabs) when all my holes are opened up for fruiting conditions, then i start to fan. And Yeah I've noticed the mycelium starting to jump across the cracks and reform.
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I think after all said and done you will need a wheelbarrow to haul em out. If no contamination. Good luck.
Finally an optimist!! my favorite kind of people!! FYI I just picked and dried about half of the 1st flush for the 4 tubs and.......8.3oz dry. Very NIce! I have a feeling the 2nd flush is going to be better than the 2nd!!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: MushroomHaven]
#15943455 - 03/13/12 09:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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might just be a shitty flush  hope for a good second fan moarrrrr!!!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: MushroomHaven]
#15943504 - 03/13/12 09:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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There you go. Interesting note: the stems on these guys are so thick and dense its amazing. Usually a full standard sandwich size ziplock baggy weighs an oz dry, a sandwich baggy of these weighs nearly 2oz because these guys are so dense, I hope there just as potent too!!!
   
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you have ansered your own question a couple of times...go back to hpoo and straw next time...duh
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Durban.Poison]
#15943641 - 03/13/12 09:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If you knew the amount of work involved with straw and manure vs coir and vermiculite you would shit your pants  It takes 2 hours maybe of work to do a coir tub. And to make a straw and manure tub it takes 6-7+ hours  So yes straw and manure fruited much better. But my god man I only have so much time!!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Durban.Poison]
#15943650 - 03/13/12 09:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It just seems to me like you have a really high spawn to bulk ratio. TL gets mega huge flushes because he is doing ~1:1 ratio. You have something like 1:4 which can account for the poor first flush, Also if those first few pics are not cased, then you fruited too early, all of those dark spots should be white. About how long did you consolidate for?
GL on your next flush though man, My best guess is that they colonized it a bit better in the last week and you should have a killer second round!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: b4n4n4r4m4]
#15943749 - 03/13/12 10:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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As far as spawn ratio goes I use a 1:3 which should make for rapid colonization. Most people use a 1:4. The were consolidated a long time. FC were introduced 25 days after spawning and many many pins were present. The pics might not show it but they were completely colonized. My theory is that i put a little to much gypsum in the tubs and its taking the mycelium a while to eat it, I put almost a full quart in all the tubs. and theres much more than a 1:1 ratio that is involved in a 1st flush. good take for the most part
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15944417 - 03/14/12 01:11 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Updated Bump
heres for the lazy people (that includes me)
There you go. Interesting note: the stems on these guys are so thick and dense its amazing. Usually a full standard sandwich size ziplock baggy weighs an oz dry, a sandwich baggy of these weighs nearly 2oz because these guys are so dense, I hope there just as potent too!!!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15944672 - 03/14/12 02:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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pretty big fruits you got there
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Swwert]
#15988376 - 03/24/12 02:32 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Just wanted to update this thread and let everyone know the tubs are doing great. Ive been picking 1-2 times daily for the past week and the 1st flush still isn't done. Im up to 2LB so far and theres a pretty good ways to go i think! I imagine ill end up with easily 3LB+ in the end.
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#16001947 - 03/27/12 03:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Heres some picks of the fruits near the end of the first flush. Crazy! Ive been picking fruits for over 2 weeks now (since the 10th) and the 1st flush isn't even done. These tubs have turned out better than had originally planned. I knew these fuckers would produce, I mean my god each tub is 40lbs! If I'm not mistaken only one person commented that all would be well in the end, I hope for the worlds sake people start to be optimistic because you guys really depressed me after this post, besides the.doc8 he was the only one with a positive perspective. Seriously though guys, its a mindset, be positive, be cool, don't be a douche, give free hand jobs to strangers, etc. JK dudes, well not really but kinda sorta........ maybe! Oh and I've got to say this TRUSKOOL you were SO WRONG its not even funny, I hardly ever get to say this so i really want to SAY: told ya so motha sucka! JK um (clears throat, calms down) I told you that you were a little off, and buddy you sure the hell were. So its getting to be at almost to 3LBS (dry) and the 1st flush is soooo close to finishing, and the 2nds coming!!!! Im very impressed with these wonky tubs! Lesson: Pinsets don't mean shit!
   
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#16001956 - 03/27/12 03:34 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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oh and i forgot to say i though coir wasn't supposed to produce very big fruits. Im getting some 6-8in monsters that are fuuucking thick and very dense! Thanks to TranscendingLIFE for the inspiration for this grow! Thanks Dude
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#16001986 - 03/27/12 03:49 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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So you hit a lucky 7. When you get a shitty pinset from jars and your using those same genetics through g2g the results are usually the same. You lucked out
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: truskool]
#16002003 - 03/27/12 04:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nobody ever said I got a shitty pinset from the original MS genetics. The reason I propagated so much mycelium (100+ Quarts) was because I had such a great pinset and flush from the genetics using straw and manure. Definitely different though to be picking the first flush for 17 days. Im still not sure if you were serious, and if you were I don't know why in the world you would think 160lb of substrate+spawn wouldn't produce a good amount of weight. Oh, well no biggy. I wish you the best, it just seems like this is a recurring theme on here, ill post something, a lot of people talk shit, and then everything comes out gravy. I don't know if just a lack of understanding or what but...IDK dream big big people, dream BIg
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#16002760 - 03/27/12 11:42 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I have been following this thread and hoped for good results!!!! Although I must admit the reason I was following this thread is because I originally thought you had 1 160LB tub going....I just noticed it was 4....I feel dumb, but congrats
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#16003019 - 03/27/12 12:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nobody ever said I got a shitty pinset from the original MS genetics. The reason I propagated so much mycelium (100+ Quarts) was because I had such a great pinset and flush from the genetics using straw and manure. Definitely different though to be picking the first flush for 17 days. Im still not sure if you were serious, and if you were I don't know why in the world you would think 160lb of substrate+spawn wouldn't produce a good amount of weight. Oh, well no biggy. I wish you the best, it just seems like this is a recurring theme on here, ill post something, a lot of people talk shit, and then everything comes out gravy. I don't know if just a lack of understanding or what but...IDK dream big big people, dream BIg
The actual weight of your tubs have nothing to do with your final weight. I have learned this time and time again. I have no clue what my mono`s weigh ive never been bothered to weigh them. Ill tell you one thing though with MS genetics that tub can produce 2 ounces per flush or 10 depending. It has nothing to do with the weight of the tub. All on the genetics of the MS grow
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: billb]
#16003076 - 03/27/12 12:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I have been following this thread and hoped for good results!!!! Although I must admit the reason I was following this thread is because I originally thought you had 1 160LB tub going....I just noticed it was 4....I feel dumb, but congrats
Damn 1 160lb Tub, that would be a fucking honker! Shit, maybe I should do that, I don't know where I would gets such a massive tub though. I know a buddy who used to get lbs from a guy and he had is whole basement sealed and covered with blues latex sealant. And he grew them on the floor in massive, massive batches. Thats according to him though, I never saw it.
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: truskool]
#16003096 - 03/27/12 12:57 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The actual weight of your tubs have nothing to do with your final weight. I have learned this time and time again. I have no clue what my mono`s weigh ive never been bothered to weigh them. Ill tell you one thing though with MS genetics that tub can produce 2 ounces per flush or 10 depending. It has nothing to do with the weight of the tub. All on the genetics of the MS grow
Dude how could thou say that weight has nothing to do with it. Sure MS genetics has a role, but I can't believe your saying that substrate weight has nothing to do with it. If you have one tub that has 5lb of substrate+Spawn and 1 tub with 50lb of substrate + spawn, obviously theres so much more food available for the mushies, how could you say amount if substrate doesn't play a role? Im scatting my head here? Maybe you've just seen how powerful great genetics can be!
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Re: Horrible Pinset and 160lb of substrate? [Re: Big_Sexy]
#16003117 - 03/27/12 01:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The actual weight of your tubs have nothing to do with your final weight. I have learned this time and time again. I have no clue what my mono`s weigh ive never been bothered to weigh them. Ill tell you one thing though with MS genetics that tub can produce 2 ounces per flush or 10 depending. It has nothing to do with the weight of the tub. All on the genetics of the MS grow
Dude how could thou say that weight has nothing to do with it. Sure MS genetics has a role, but I can't believe your saying that substrate weight has nothing to do with it. If you have one tub that has 5lb of substrate+Spawn and 1 tub with 50lb of substrate + spawn, obviously theres so much more food available for the mushies, how could you say amount if substrate doesn't play a role? Im scatting my head here? Maybe you've just seen how powerful great genetics can be!
Im sorry I didnt explain myself properly I guess. You have a tub that say weigh`s 40 lbs, but because of MS you only get a BE of 2% your only gonna end up with 8 ounces or whatever the math works out to be. Now you have another tub from MS and you get a BE of 50% then you end up with 20 lbs. Its all upto the diversity of MS. Plus the final BE of the project.
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