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 Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral 
#15941028 - 03/13/12 06:49 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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all the reasons i can think of to have kids fit into 2 neat categories
a) retarded
b) immoral
I can probably count on 1 hand the number of people i've met that i felt had the emotional and mental faculties to be responsible with another person's life.
the defining great idea of the past 1000 years is: "hey, no one is better than me, please don't control my life". Our whole country (USA) is based around the principle that people should be in charge of themselves.
Raising a child is taking full responsibility for the life of another person.
You'd have to be retarded to not realize you're too dumb to be trusted with control of another person.
With the retarded out of the way, some people just like kids the way they like dogs or movies. Some people just don't have anything better to do. Some people like tradition.
thats the immoral.
Uhm, please help me find new avenues of thought on this matter.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15941063 - 03/13/12 07:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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To mature your relationship with a woman and to raise a child.
Non of these have to be retarded or immoral.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller] 2
#15941077 - 03/13/12 07:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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teamkiller said:
Raising a child is taking full responsibility for the life of another person.
You'd have to be retarded to not realize you're too dumb to be trusted with control of another person.
Responsibility does not equal control.
I think that you'll never realize how rewarding it is to have kids - to see your own flesh and blood, to recognize yourself and your partner in your offspring, as well as the traits of previous generations. Neither will you experience the pride and joy when you see your kids accomplish something. Witness their development, their joy. I think nothing really compares to the awareness that you're giving a brand new creature a good head start in developing into an autonomous and hopefully productive and happy individual.
Note that I probably won't experience those things either; I'm not planning to have kids. But this is what I gather from observing the people close to me: my father, my sister, my girlfriend. They all have kids and I have talked with them and observed them a lot, and I think I get the picture. But what I first and foremost gather from that observation, is the fact that you'll never understand what it's like to have kids as long as you don't have them.
Concerning the retardedness and immorality of having kids: I think those things say more about you than they do about most parents and their motives. Apparently, you have a rather cynical and misanthropic outlook on life, and then it makes sense that you don't see valid reasons to have kids. Mind you, it's the same for me, but that doesn't mean I don't understand that other people view life differently...
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Mafeki]
#15941082 - 03/13/12 07:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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By nature, we reproduce to pass on more suitable genetics and to continue our race. We don't really need to though since our population is extremely large as is. Having a kid just allows you to connect with another person. Besides, you can use them to clean up your house.
Edited by Bawks (03/13/12 07:37 AM)
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Bawks]
#15941088 - 03/13/12 07:24 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Bawks said:
Besides, you can use them to clean up your house.
You obviously don't have kids  If you did, you would know that having kids results in a ten-fold cleaning effort compared to not having them.
Still, your argument does have a foundation in truth. In many societies, including ours only a few short decades ago, kids are your pension provision. No kids = no means of existence when you're too old to work.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15941095 - 03/13/12 07:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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i don't think its immoral to have a kid as a ' pet ' like a dog or something. its starting a family and occupying your time with your family, theres nothign wrong with that. i wouldn't call that immoral at all. it's totally normal for someone to want to raise their children and spend time with their children and all of that. i don't even see how its even slightly immoral to have a kid to keep themselves occupied and have something to work towards.
have a kid for the love , i've heard countless people say " you don't know what love is untill you have your first child "
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#15941101 - 03/13/12 07:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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2 things I want to mention first.
1: I didnt read any of this thread.
2: I don't want kids either.
One of the only good reasons I can think of is that they can do chores that you don't want to do, but at the same you have a shit ton (that's 4 metric butt loads) of more chores because of the kid.
So my reason is completely void.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller]
#15941103 - 03/13/12 07:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I can see several reasons.
- Some people get a lot of joy from kids, especially once their adults. Now that my siblings and I are entirely grown and have long moved out of the house, its a heck of a lot of fun to get together over holidays etc.
- Kids can provide for you once your old. The only assistance I would ever request from a child is to let them pull the plug. Thats a big decision though.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: teamkiller] 2
#15941186 - 03/13/12 08:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Don't bring a child into this world. Adopt. There are plenty of children out there that will never have the opportunity to be a part of a loving family.
I do not intend to have children of my own. Sad, I know. My superior genetic material really shouldn't go to waste, but I can't get over the notion that it is irresponsible to bring a new being into this world in a time like this.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: DNKYD]
#15941655 - 03/13/12 01:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If you want to carry on your genes with someone you love and to pass on knowledge to your offspring. There are more then enough stupid kids in the world so if I ever have children I'll only have one and teach him everything I know.
Main reasons people have kids imo:
They think bringing a child into the world will fill some void in their life or "fix" a relationship that's falling apart. 
They don't use birth control.
They don't believe in abortion.
There really isn't a logical reason to have kids, it's just biology that makes women, and sometimes men, want to reproduce so humanity continues.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Greendreams]
#15941709 - 03/13/12 01:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Look at the world the way it is today, if you were given a choice to never have been apart of it or come live in it and have to deal with all the bullshit that goes on, would you really want to come live on this planet right now?
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: jamminshaman] 1
#15941748 - 03/13/12 01:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Buncha cynics in here...
I figure, As a child you aren't really conscious of your own development, so watching another being grow must be fascinating. I imagine it teaches you a lot about yourself.
Why do anything in life? Having kids is one of the myriad of options we have to experience ourselves, and a complex, very personal one at that.
Perhaps kids show you why this place isn't so bad after all.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: Lynnch]
#15941818 - 03/13/12 01:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Is that you in your avatar? You look pretty hot. The world needs more hot people.
Ergo, have babies.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: SeniorCoolo] 1
#15941892 - 03/13/12 02:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Stop having kids god damn it. Americans, europeans and austrailans, I'm talking to you, because your damn kids consume so much shit. Citizens of the developing world, you can chill for now because your shit is hard and you might need a kid or two to feed and house you once you're too old to work.
Sure, having a kid makes you grow up, stop being a jackass (hopefully) and take some responsibility over shit. It could also be the most rewarding thing in your life possibly. There's no reason you have to put another life into this world for that, though. There's enough kids to go around. If you're not considered "suitable" to be an adoptive parent then that's probably a good sign that you shouldn't try to have kids right now. If you don't want to raise a kid that didn't come from your balls/ovaries, then that's where the selfish part comes in. You can't love a child as much because it doesn't have the genetic makeup of you and your partner? Give me a fucking break.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#15941937 - 03/13/12 02:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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sometimes people die etc. if u die, at least u will have a kid still living etc.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: KremrBigSikter] 1
#15942815 - 03/13/12 06:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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KremrBigSikter said:
Stop having kids god damn it. Americans, europeans and austrailans, I'm talking to you, because your damn kids consume so much shit. Citizens of the developing world, you can chill for now because your shit is hard and you might need a kid or two to feed and house you once you're too old to work.
Yeah, and you think that those third world kids won't consume a lot of shit in 20 years' time? Take another look at how resource consumption is developing in different parts of the world and you'll see that you should expand your advice to the developing (particularly the developing!) world.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: koraks]
#15942821 - 03/13/12 06:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If you think its retarded and immoral then why are you trying to find a reason otherwise? You probably think that because it is true...
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: fbi365]
#15942875 - 03/13/12 06:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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To play your part in the continuation of life. If your parents had the same inclination, you wouldn't be here.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: koraks]
#15942893 - 03/13/12 06:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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KremrBigSikter said:
Stop having kids god damn it. Americans, europeans and austrailans, I'm talking to you, because your damn kids consume so much shit. Citizens of the developing world, you can chill for now because your shit is hard and you might need a kid or two to feed and house you once you're too old to work.
Yeah, and you think that those third world kids won't consume a lot of shit in 20 years' time? Take another look at how resource consumption is developing in different parts of the world and you'll see that you should expand your advice to the developing (particularly the developing!) world.
Good point. I don't think you can extrapolate it like that though, and assume that kids who are born there right now will consume as much as western kids in 20 years. Most developing countries don't have the infrastructure to support the consumtion patterns that our part of the world has. It's going to take a while to build burger joint-dotted highways across Africa, and we have quite a headstart on them.
Anyway, yeah. They shouldn't keep squeezing out poopmachines, either.
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Re: Help me think of a reason to have kids that isn't retarded or immoral [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#15942941 - 03/13/12 06:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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KremrBigSikter said:
Good point. I don't think you can extrapolate it like that though, and assume that kids who are born there right now will consume as much as western kids in 20 years. Most developing countries don't have the infrastructure to support the consumtion patterns that our part of the world has. It's going to take a while to build burger joint-dotted highways across Africa, and we have quite a headstart on them.
You go to any fairly sizable city in India, China, Indonesia, Vietnam or whathaveyou (and there's a lot of big cities in those countries) and you'll be amazed at how small your head start really is today. Sure, Africa seems like a lost continent at this time, but even in that case, would you say that population growth is the right course of action is in African countries?
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They shouldn't keep squeezing out poopmachines, either.
Exactly. Or (and!) we need to innovate and gain some control over our resource use. And that is most likely to happen first in wealthy countries, I bet. Followed by the others, who will use the savings they realize to increase their living standards at a relatively fast pace.
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