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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: nooneman]
    #15925696 - 03/09/12 07:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

for marijuana. how sad. They probably charged the other guys so it wasnt a "lost cause" in their eyes... no body... no case. screw them they probably want to get away with murder... and sad thing is they probably will. go police state  :feelsbadman:


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: grimR]
    #15925716 - 03/09/12 07:37 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

4 and a half ounces?!?!?!?! They still raid for that??


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: AltecLansing]
    #15927532 - 03/10/12 01:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

That is murder, plain and simple.  The officer should be arrested, and given a life sentence.  The fucked up part?



He will get away with it.  Scott free.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: AltecLansing]
    #15928090 - 03/10/12 04:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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4 and a half ounces?!?!?!?! They still raid for that??





Yes.  They will raid you for a gram.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15928822 - 03/10/12 11:47 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I am in New Orleans.  I know dozens of houses that have more weed than that.  It was probably mexican weed, he likely paid no more than $200 for it.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15929807 - 03/10/12 05:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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4 and a half ounces?!?!?!?! They still raid for that??





Yes.  They will raid you for a gram.




They had no idea what was in the house, all they saw was a few hand-to-hand's. There may have been nothing at all as far as they knew.

I went to college for several years to get into a law enforcement career. At first I thought the police were our protectors, and that I could be one of them. Then I thought that I could make a difference in the corruption once I learned that my original ideas weren't true. Now I changed my career path altogether, with a lot of credits wasted, so I don't ever have to take part in something like this.

In this type of situation, they should take 2 hour long statements from all the police involved IMMEDIATELY after the incident like they do with the innocent bystanders. They give the cops a couple days to get a story together. Disgusting to anyone with a rational mind, but that is the way it works nonetheless.

There are a lot of good police out there. I think the reason we tend to see them as all bad is that there is a LOT of pressure on you to "Tow the line" as an officer. They literally indoctrinate you that protecting your fellow officers is more important than protecting the public. I've seen it firsthand, and it's scary. These people we call "pigs" usually think they're benefiting society. Departments create an "us vs. them" environment that seeps into your psyche after long enough. You don't make a lot of $ as an officer, and you really do put your life at risk. These aren't all a bunch of assholes on power trips. For the most part, they're misguided individuals who have been subverted by the common idea that all drugs are like meth or heroin. All of those people are as sad a loss as an unarmed pot dealer.

Fear of the police is much more rational than fear of drugs. We have reason to be afraid. Drugs never shot, framed, or beat anyone directly for no reason. However, lumping all cops into the "pigs" category and accusing them of being evil power trippers isn't even close to true. If we want to end the "Us vs. them" attitude, we have to be willing to do so ourselves.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: SB-2]
    #15929824 - 03/10/12 05:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Dude a girl witnessed her brother shot dead over 4 ounces.

Four fucking ounces........


BY POLICE OFFICERS.

How is anyone supposed to feel safe with them around with shit like this happening all the time?


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Society]
    #15929854 - 03/10/12 05:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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We need to start raiding police stations.



legally sanctioned bullies and thugs

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How many of you would feel the same if the drug in the incident was methamphetamine or Heroin?



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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: evildee125]
    #15930476 - 03/10/12 08:32 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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legally sanctioned bullies and thugs





And we're a bunch of drug addicted hippie freaks.

Like I said in my previous post, there are lots of good cops, even the "bad" ones. People who have been lied to and indoctrinated. This is a perfect example. The guy who killed the dealer probably thought he was some kind of maniac "drug dealer" because he doesn't know anything about pot and got tweaked out. He's 28, which tells me he probably hasn't raided many houses, because you don't do that in the first few years on the force. He probably made a horrible mistake.

Have none of you ever accidentally killed a civilian in a shooter video game? Imagine you're in a "drug dealer"'s house, who you may believe is armed, high, crazy, or all 3. The guy's scared, jacked on adrenaline, doesn't have a lot of experience in raids, and some guy pops out from around a corner holding something. I doubt he was shot sitting on his couch with his hands behind his head.

The "drug war" is there because of a real problem; the aforementioned armed, high, crazy drug dealers gunning each other down in the streets over turf, killing a lot of uninvolved people in the process. THAT drug war destroys a lot more lives than the one we bitch about, and it takes more lives outright too. The problem is misinformation and this "us vs. them" attitude. If you adopt the attitude of "Fuck the police, they're all pigs" and start throwing the word "murder" around in a case like this, that puts you on the "them" side for the police, and they won't listen to you or let you reason with them, just like none of the "Legalize everything" crazies will reason with the police. The only solution is information and education about the reality of different drugs, especially marijuana and DMT IMO. I won't go into my DMT rant, but how insane is it to make illegal a substance which is manufactured in every human's brain?

If we started properly educating children about marijuana, for instance, how long would it be before bans would be lifted, etc by a new generation of voters? Public opinion would drastically change.

Want to know how to put a stop to this locally? Sue your public school system for teaching misinformation. There are many precedents for this. If they are teaching misinformation and you can prove it, they are legally forced to stop. I know, because my crazy-ass mother did it successfully in regards to a history book. The school had to buy a LOT of new books and change the history curriculum in the middle of the school year.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: SB-2] * 1
    #15930769 - 03/10/12 09:46 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Have none of you ever accidentally killed a civilian in a shooter video game? Imagine you're in a "drug dealer"'s house, who you may believe is armed, high, crazy, or all 3.



Video game analogy?! Fucking really?!:facepalm::facepalm:
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The guy's scared, jacked on adrenaline, doesn't have a lot of experience in raids


The cop was inexperienced in raids?  Must have been the victims fault.  :facepalm: 
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and some guy pops out from around a corner holding something. I doubt he was shot sitting on his couch with his hands behind his head.



When im startled in my home by a loud noise.  I don't fucking assume the position and wait to get ass fucked.  I GET UP AND SEE WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #15930858 - 03/10/12 10:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

So the guy should be charged with murder? You don't think it was an accident that someone was shot? He should be punished (More than having to live with killing an "innocent" his whole life), obviously, but it sounds like you're out to prosecute the whole system with this guy as your scapegoat. Sounds kind of familiar...

You're extending my argument farther than I did by asserting I said it was the victim's fault. You're a perfect example of what I've been saying about the "Us vs them" problem. I didn't say it was his fault if he got up and startled the officer, or whatever happened. You drew that from my argument that this was probably an accident because you're so entrenched in your own position that you had to make mine seem ridiculous.

This happened because of our laws, not because some cop wanted to shoot a pot dealer. If you want to live somewhere that happens so you can whine about a real problem, move to Turkey.

My apologies if I seem rude, but try and understand my post this time before you get butthurt.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: SB-2] * 2
    #15931359 - 03/11/12 12:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry, but there is no excuse to kill an unarmed man over any drug issue. I don't care what the drug in question is, or how much is there. In this case, the man was pretty obviously dealing pot - and that in this day and age 'especially' in the city he lives in, is a very risky thing to do as far as the legal system goes.

But there is no excuse to kill an unarmed man over any drug issue, and I feel strongly that this officer needs to be apprehended, arrested, charged with the crime of murder, and taken through the legal system just like any other citizen would. Likewise, I do not believe that he should be allowed any extra lee-way for being an officer. My heart goes out to the families and friends involved - yes, this man was involved in marijuana, just like a now very-large percentage of the population, but that doesn't make him a bad person, and definitely doesn't warrant the death penalty.

This is just one more example of why the drug laws need to change. The whole system is corrupt, and is designed to take away the freedoms you think you have. For those who don't understand it means to have those supposed freedoms taken away, I want you to read this.

Who here honestly hasn't been part of a drug deal before, or been part of some kind of drug-related activity? Growing mushrooms, smoking pot, whatever.. No matter how big or how small - I want you to imagine what would have happened had it gone bad, and you are swarmed by police who are yelling at you about the piece of shit you are, and that you have no rights and are a low down drug dealer/user with no life. I want you to imagine that everything you say or do, even if you're screaming that you're innocent - even if you are - is used against you to make you look or seem more guilty. I want you to think about how when you ask for a lawyer, the officer makes snarky comments about how you now think you're owed rights, then tells you not to speak again unless a lawyer arrives, because you gave up your right to speak when you asked for a lawyer. I want you to imagine the cold handcuffs behind your back as a drug detective tears apart every crevice of your home looking for any trace of drugs or paraphernalia they can find, to convict you and put you behind bars as long as they possibly can. I want you to think about the smiles on their faces when they find your couple grams of marijuana or your mushrooms, or whatever they happen to find, knowing that they have ample evidence to take away your freedom for at least 6 months but maybe as long as several years, depending on what state you're in and what they found.

I want you to imagine those smiles and laughs on the detectives' faces as they take you away to the holding cell - where you're left with dozens of other criminals - some in there for drug charges of their own, others there for things much worse - only allowed to make phone calls to bail bondsmen, who if you know the number of a family member 'might' forward your call to them so that you can beg them to post bond for you. Completely clueless about this new metal world- no clocks, no windows, just a cold metal bed with a hard mat. Time in this place doesn't exist - every second feels like a minute, and you count the seconds with your feet, shuffling back and forth across the room for the next several days, doing anything you can to just pass another minute, with your mind on full throttle - thinking about everything that happened, thinking about the people you've potentially hurt, the life you're going to have after this, not knowing if you're going to be in prison for the next years, if this life of shuffling back and forth counting seconds is going to last for the next years. Then, what happens when you get out? You're a felon, living as a felon is not much easier than living in prison - nobody wants to hire a felon, nobody trusts a felon. You may be in the real world once again, but you are 'not' by any meaning of the word 'free'.

I want you to imagine the next six months of life after your bail has been posted, assuming you were lucky enough to have people willing to help you out there. You constantly have to deal with court issues, your stress level is through the roof - you don't live at the place you were anymore because you can't afford rent. You are unsure every day if you're going to be free or if you're going to be imprisoned. You spend most of your days crying, trying to think of a way to fix things or take things back, but you know you can't. It eats you up every single day. You have to bite the bullet and deal with it every day, and maybe you're lucky enough to escape incarceration. If it's your first offense, you will probably get probation. You will have to call a number every night, and if they call 'your color', you will have to report the next day to pee in a bottle to make sure you don't have drugs in your system. If you do, or if you get in trouble at any point with the law, you receive the full sentence that they so nicely 'suspended' so that you could make the court believe you're a good person. You have to avoid people you were once best friends with, and risky situations, because even being around them could put you at risk of jail/prison. You are on the streets, but you are still a felon, under probation, and you are not by any meaning of the word 'free'. One slip-up, and your ass belongs to the state - your ass actually already belongs to the state, and you are not free, you are stuck.

Let me tell you, I've been there. The drug crime I was accused of I didn't even commit or intend to commit - but I was facing 5 years based on what a jury thought of me, versus probation. It wasn't a gamble I could take, because I do want to accomplish things with my life. But now, I have to wake up every day knowing I'm a felon, and that I am not, by any meaning of the word, 'free'.

People talk all the time in this country about how freedom here is a joke, and it really is - but they don't understand just what they're saying when they say that. When you get busted for drugs, you will learn what freedom means. You suddenly realize that even the real world is one big prison cell, and you're just shuffling your feet one step at a time trying to get by. It's one of the coldest, hardest lessons life can offer - and worse yet you know that even if you get whatever off your record and get through it all, you will never again be able to take comfort in the idea of being by any meaning of the word, 'free'.

I, like a good number of others out there, know what it really means not to be free.

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This man got essentially the death penalty, without even the right to a trial, for his part in dealing with drugs. But even if he would've escaped that, he would not have ever again been 'free'. He probably would have turned his life around - he obviously has a lot of family and friends that support him, but he would have had to life with the stigma of this lesson for the rest of his life.

Legalize freedom, and end all of this tragedy.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: SB-2]
    #15931388 - 03/11/12 12:26 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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This happened because of our laws, not because some cop wanted to shoot a pot dealer


Who are the tools that enforce our bullshit laws?  Makes no difference if it was an accident or not, they should have never been there.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: SB-2]
    #15931963 - 03/11/12 04:14 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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There are a lot of good police out there. I think the reason we tend to see them as all bad is that there is a LOT of pressure on you to "Tow the line" as an officer. They literally indoctrinate you that protecting your fellow officers is more important than protecting the public. I've seen it firsthand, and it's scary. These people we call "pigs" usually think they're benefiting society





This is a direct contradiction and it's what I've been saying all along - MOST cops (80%+) know EXACTLY what's going on and how things are being handled and what the current climate of things are.

You yourself JUST said that many police forces are indoctrinated that protecting officers is more important than protecting the public but then go on to try and make officers seem like good guys by saying that they usually think they're benefiting society.

That doesn't make logical sense.

They know EXACTLY what they're doing.





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You don't make a lot of $ as an officer, and you really do put your life at risk





More cop BULLSHIT.  Police start off making 40-50k+ a year which is greater pay than most people graduating with masters degrees do these days.  Policing requires nothing more than a high school diploma and the "right" skin color and cultural back ground/mental leaning.


AND THAT"S BASE PAY. MANY officers receive a LOT of overtime weekly, sometimes fudging numbers, most of the time just milking the clock.  I'm talking overtime amounts that add up to nearly $1000 a week after taxes, consistently.



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Have none of you ever accidentally killed a civilian in a shooter video game? Imagine you're in a "drug dealer"'s house, who you may believe is armed, high, crazy, or all 3. The guy's scared, jacked on adrenaline, doesn't have a lot of experience in raids, and some guy pops out from around a corner holding something. I doubt he was shot sitting on his couch with his hands behind his head.





The longer you keep deluding yourself into justifying the murder of one human being over another the longer you'll suffer.  If some "black youth" broke into this cop's home and shot his wife or kid in a robbery I bet you'd be calling for the death penalty.  WHen the police burst into someone's home to rob and kidnap them you make justifications for why these valiant and indoctrinated police officers "were forced to utilize their service weapons in defense of their lives".


Peolpe who perpetuate this bullshit, these soviet-style outright lies, will be held responsible for the decisions that they made and the viewpoints they adopted.



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The "drug war" is there because of a real problem; the aforementioned armed, high, crazy drug dealers gunning each other down in the streets over turf, killing a lot of uninvolved people in the process. THAT drug war destroys a lot more lives than the one we bitch about, and it takes more lives outright too. The problem is misinformation and this "us vs. them" attitude. If you adopt the attitude of "Fuck the police, they're all pigs" and start throwing the word "murder" around in a case like this, that puts you on the "them" side for the police, and they won't listen to you or let you reason with them, just like none of the "Legalize everything" crazies will reason with the police. The only solution is information and education about the reality of different drugs, especially marijuana and DMT IMO. I won't go into my DMT rant, but how insane is it to make illegal a substance which is manufactured in every human's brain?






You have asolutely no idea of what you're talking about and are clearly uninformed on the history of things.  I highly recommend you read a few books on this subject.  Even better I recommend you watch a few documentaries on the subject.  "Grass" is a seminal, yet a TINY bit dated (1999) documentary detailing the history of the drug war.  If you care AT ALL about what you're saying I highly recommend watching it.  It can be obtained via torrent here: http://torrentz.eu/c818f7d5d663ad6006a07f25c1df01806c02a37d

Also, your diatribe about "armed, high crazy dealers" sounds significantly more like cops shooting civvies than anything else.  I know you're referring to the violence of the 80s following the emergence of crack but what you don't understand is that that violence was a result of not only prohibition but government operations that involved bring thousands of kilos of cocaine into the United States. 

You've heard of Iran-contra, right?


Cops are pigs, this is murder, they went home to their families after murdering this kid and slept in bed next to their wives.

Legalization is the only solution.  It's the only pragmatic/econmoically viable solution and is by far the ONLY moral decision that exists


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If we started properly educating children about marijuana, for instance, how long would it be before bans would be lifted, etc by a new generation of voters? Public opinion would drastically change.

Want to know how to put a stop to this locally? Sue your public school system for teaching misinformation. There are many precedents for this. If they are teaching misinformation and you can prove it, they are legally forced to stop. I know, because my crazy-ass mother did it successfully in regards to a history book. The school had to buy a LOT of new books and change the history curriculum in the middle of the school year.





I do agree with this part but you're late to the game.  The current # of medical cannabis states that exist exist for this reason exactly.  Since the 70s a generation has grown up with SOME degree of truth about MJ that's been increasing to the present day.

Suing the school system is not a bad idea either, especially considering non-factual items.

That may be harder than you'd expect though.




SB-2 I'm not even going to reply to your next post.  You are defending the home invasion and shooting death of an unarmed, non-provoking man inside of his house.  This guy probably never met any of these guys before they broke into his home and shot him dead.

And you're justifying this.  Don't you see how very brainwashed and indoctrinated you are even after not joining the police force?  You're making excuses for why one guy shot and killed another unarmed guy after breaking in to his house without provocation.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?  If I tell you to go kill some old grandma in the streets and you do it, how can you POSSIBLY claim that you aren't responsible?

The same people crying out to lock a black man up for 5-10 years over possession of a thumb-sized bag of dope will vehemetly defend people who break into someone's house unprovoked and shoot them to death.

I mean I don't even know what to say anymore.  I feel good in knowing that this shit is almost over but I can't believe it came this far.




Goomba - very good read man.  I'm so very sorry that happened to you.



Everyone participating in this will be held responsible.  The drug war has numerically created more direct and indirect victims than the holocaust at this point.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Humility]
    #15932074 - 03/11/12 05:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Here is the issue I have..

If they witnessed several hand-to-hand transactions in the driveway, why not make the arrest outside?

The confidential informant must have mentioned all the children in the house when police were getting the layout of the dwelling etc..

I bet that CI is feeling real proud of himself for playing the main role in killing a marijuana dealer. We can all sleep a little easier tonight knowing that this dealer is off the streets house.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Synapse Trap]
    #15932113 - 03/11/12 05:33 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I could kill innocent people and then get sentenced with a $50k/year desk job.

My condolences go out to the family not only for their loss, but also for the lack of justice and closure that they will receive.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: veggie] * 1
    #15932227 - 03/11/12 07:40 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Update: Gentilly raid details show focus on marijuana
March 10, 2012 - nola.com

There were no city officials holding news conferences and no new revelations from police Friday about the city's latest fatal police shooting, the second within a week. But the lack of news did little to settle a city fixated on the killing by New Orleans police of a 20-year-old unarmed man during a marijuana raid inside a Gentilly home.

While offering no explanation yet for the single gunshot that killed Wendell Allen on Wednesday, police have pledged a thorough, fair, open investigation. Allen's family and supporters have already reached a conclusion: It was murder, they say, and some of them gathered outside police headquarters Friday morning to make themselves heard.

Though what prompted the shooting remains hazy, a more clear picture emerged Friday of the circumstances of the investigation that prompted the police raid that led to the shooting.

Allen was killed Wednesday evening in the stairwell of a Gentilly house by a single gunshot to the chest, fired by Officer Joshua Colclough. Police officials have acknowledged that Allen, a former high school basketball standout, was unarmed.

While not necessarily the focus of the probe into alleged marijuana dealing at the house, Allen was one of eight people, five of them children, inside when police barged in.

The plainclothed cops, cloaked in raid jackets, were looking for marijuana inside the two-story, red-brick house at 2651 Prentiss Ave. They allegedly found 138 grams -- about 4 1/2 ounces, more than what is typically in the possession of a casual user, but hardly the stash of a kingpin. Most of it was hidden in a black backpack inside a bedroom closet.

Initial police reports, warrant applications and court records make clear that the main target of the probe was Troy Deemer.

Deemer, 19, was arrested earlier Wednesday by Jefferson Parish sheriff's deputies. His arrest laid the groundwork for the police search of the Prentiss Avenue residence.

Earlier in the week, a confidential informant had tipped Jefferson Parish deputies off to a man named "Troy" who was allegedly selling marijuana from the Prentiss Avenue home, according to the NOPD's application for a search warrant. The JPSO deputy contacted the NOPD and officers began a joint investigation.

On Wednesday afternoon, investigators allegedly watched Deemer leave the home with a white package and drive away. Deemer, who was charged earlier this year in New Orleans on marijuana charges, was stopped in Jefferson Parish. Investigators allegedly recovered a 1-pound package of marijuana from his car. He was booked there with possession with intent to distribute marijuana.

Based on that arrest, the NOPD obtained a search warrant for the Gentilly property. Less than 30 minutes later, the officers surrounded the house and announced their presence. Receiving no response, they broke through the front door, New Orleans Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas said.

At some point during their search, Colclough fired the shot that felled Allen.

Five children, ranging in age from 1 to 14, as well as two young men, Brandon Boles and Davin Allen, were inside the house. According to an initial police report, Boles, 19, and Davin Allen, 19, were found on the second floor of the house. Davin Allen, whose relationship to Wendell Allen is not clear, was lying on a bed in the master bedroom. Boles -- who appears to be mistakenly identified in the police report as "Brandon Allen" -- was discovered in another bedroom.

New Orleans Police Detective Ryan Vaught searched the house and found a black backpack "on top of a counter" in a bedroom closet, according to the report. A "vacuum sealable clear plastic bag containing vegetable matter" sat inside the backpack. And next to the backpack, police found a digital scale with marijuana atop it.

Both Boles and Davin Allen were taken to Orleans Parish jail and booked on a count of possessing marijuana with the intent to distribute.

The initial police report, which includes a short gist of the incident, makes no mention of the shooting. Boles doesn't live at the Prentiss Avenue home, but in the 2200 block of Odin Street, according to court records. Deemer has several addresses listed in court records, none of which are on Prentiss Avenue. It's not clear where Davin Allen lives.

Wendell Allen last March entered an "Alford plea" -- a plea deal in which the defendant is adjudicated guilty but does not actually admit guilt -- in a felony case charging him with possessing marijuana with the intent to distribute. He was given a five-year suspended sentence and released.

The NOPD also arrested a 17-year-old juvenile at the Prentiss Avenue home in December 2010 for being a principal to a purse snatching. Serpas said Thursday that someone in the house advised police that a handgun was "hidden inside the house." It was recovered late Wednesday, though police have not said it led to the shooting in any way. The NOPD said Friday that the gun has not been reported stolen.

The joint investigation was spearheaded by the 3rd District's narcotics unit, as opposed to the NOPD's centralized major case narcotics squad, which usually handles larger busts. In the week prior to the raid, the 3rd District unit investigated several complaints, made a single drug case, confiscated a gun, as well as drugs, according to the NOPD.

The warrant served on the Prentiss Avenue residence didn't appear to be considered a high-risk raid. In bigger cases, the narcotics units seek assistance from the NOPD's Special Operations Division and its highly trained tactical unit. Typically, a city ambulance will be on standby, a block or two from the scene.

Police spokeswoman Remi Braden said Friday that no officers, other than Culclough, are under investigation. The other officers on the scene are considered witnesses and are being questioned, Braden said. Also, she said, Culclough has not been involved in any other shootings.

Officers are permitted to use deadly force, such as firing a gun, when they have a reasonable belief that they or somebody else is in imminent danger of death or bodily harm. Allen's family has said he was shirtless, wearing pajama bottoms at the time. Braden, the NOPD's spokeswoman, confirmed that Allen was shirtless, but said evidence shows that he was wearing jeans and sneakers at the time of the shooting.

Several of Allen's relatives gathered with community activists outside police headquarters Friday morning to decry the shooting, the NOPD's actions and what they called a corrupt culture within the city.

"There have been egregious wrongs done to the black community of New Orleans," said W.C. Johnson, of the United New Orleans Front, a conglomerate of several community activist groups.

Several of the protesters, who numbered about 25 in all, called Allen's death murder.

"I want that police officer booked on murder, and I want it now," said Helen Shorty, Allen's grandmother.

"There is no justification," said Tanya Peters, Allen's aunt. "Mr. Allen was in his own home."

Several of the demonstrators also referenced the other recent fatal police shooting, that of Justin Sipp, 20. Sipp allegedly fired on police officers last week during a traffic stop in Mid-City. Two officers -- Michael Asevedo and Anthony Mayfield Jr. -- were badly wounded. Sipp's brother, Earl, was struck in the leg by a bullet. The NOPD has said the officer's actions appear justified.

Community activists raised questions about that incident and talked of grave suspicions about the NOPD, concerns that they said were underscored by the Danziger Bridge and Henry Glover cases, in which police were found to have killed civilians and covered it up.

"How can I believe anything the NOPD says when they have a history, a proven history?" Johnson asked rhetorically.

On Friday night, local U.S. Attorney Jim Letten and the FBI's Civil Rights Division issued a joint statement noting that the respective agencies are "aware of the recent shootings and the community's need to have full confidence in the processes in which they are examined."

The two federal agencies noted that the NOPD's internal affairs unit, which has two FBI agents embedded within it, is examining the two recent police shootings. The agents will monitor the police probe.

"At this time, we want the public we serve to know that together we will continue to be vigilant in monitoring the status of these investigations and will take further action as appropriate," the statement read.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Humility]
    #15932976 - 03/11/12 02:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Everyone participating in this will be held responsible.  The drug war has numerically created more direct and indirect victims than the holocaust at this point.






I should have read this before i tried to reason with you. World War II killed between 60 and 80 million people, gravely injured many more, and caused more real and economic damage than the "drug war" could ever come close to touching. It KILLED about as many people as have been convicted across all of American history for drug crimes. if you count people who died from disease/famine/starvation/etc because of the war, the number is well over 100 million.

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What ever happened to personal responsibility?  If I tell you to go kill some old grandma in the streets and you do it, how can you POSSIBLY claim that you aren't responsible?





Except nobody ordered the cop to kill anyone. Totally fallacious argument. I never even said the guy wasn't responsible, you drew that conclusion because you wanted to.

You keep assuming I'm defending the guy. Jesus Christ, I even said he should be prosecuted, but not for murder. You're attempting to extend my arguments beyond reality to prove them false. Not a very good tactic. Reminds me of when Rick Santorum claimed that Ron Paul wanted to legalize polygamy because Paul said marriage should be up to the states.

MURDER IS AN INTENTIONAL AND PREMEDITATED ACT. That cop is guilty of manslaughter at worst, a very serious crime, but he is not guilty of going into the house and shooting someone on purpose. There could have been many factors at play, and we still don't even have the whole story. Meanwhile, everybody is screaming murder. This is why innocent people are convicted in court and the guilty go free; jurors (people) often make their judgment before they even have any information, just like what is going on here. You said the guy was unprovoking of the officer...I'm not saying he WAS, but please tell me how you know that.

I'm not fucking defending the guy, I'm trying to offer some insight into why this happened. Despite what you want to believe, there are more factors at play than evil police officers who want to kill black pot dealers. You're a delusional idiot if you disagree with that point.

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If some "black youth" broke into this cop's home and shot his wife or kid in a robbery I bet you'd be calling for the death penalty.  WHen the police burst into someone's home to rob and kidnap them you make justifications for why these valiant and indoctrinated police officers "were forced to utilize their service weapons in defense of their lives".





Please quote me saying any of these things.

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More cop BULLSHIT.  Police start off making 40-50k+ a year which is greater pay than most people graduating with masters degrees do these days.  Policing requires nothing more than a high school diploma and the "right" skin color and cultural back ground/mental leaning.






More delusional wannabe rebel bullshit. It's a LOT easier to get hired if you're not white in this day and age. Minorities are overrepresented in most districts. Blacks make up over 60% of the PD in Washington, DC. Look it up. Areas where the force is mostly white are mostly white areas. All other things aside, it's harder to be hired as a white male than anyone else unless your area is predominantly white. Female police are also sharply on the rise, even though far fewer females apply for policing jobs than males.

The average salary for an officer is 36k in NO, do some research. During your first 10 years, where the likelihood is highest that you'll be injured or killed, it's usually less than 30k. Don't try and lecture me on how much money cops are making, I think I'm a little more familiar with the subject than you are. You also have a snowball's chance in hell at getting overtime in this day an age unless you're a veteran working in investigations. There are more than enough unemployed cops to fill the hours without overtime for street/traffic work. Most jurisdictions require authorization from the higher ups for overtime to control costs. By the way, the average salary last year for someone with a Master's is over 70k, and in some subcategories it is over 100k.

You have no idea how the police mentality works, and that is plainly reflected in your post.

Most of you would bend the rules to protect your family, right? If your brother accidentally shot someone in this manner, would you be calling him scum and yelling murder? It's interesting how humans are better people to those they know. Cops are no different.

You can keep believing they're all evil and corrupt/etc, but at the end of the day, you're rarely going to have a problem with them if you're not doing something illegal. It's a risk we all take when we do illegal things, and those laws are formed by public perception and education/lack of education.

There are very real problems with drugs in society, problems that "Ending the drug war" won't fix. Meth, heroine, and others will still be there. You can argue until your face is blue that more people wouldn't use/get addicted/etc, and if you do that, you've obviously never seen what these drugs do to people. Alcoholism can take years for a serious addiction to develop. Many "hard" drugs can do that in a week, and the addiction is usually much more severe and physically damaging. I've watched it happen. I think most of us here are responsible enough and educated enough that we wouldn't fall victim in this way, but do you think everyone is?

You're demonizing the police in the same way that they demonize you, and you're spreading misinformation to help yourself do it. You can't win in this way, the police have been trying it for a long time.

If you want to be a rebel, start sending letters, protest, run for office or your local school board, or get involved with local legislation.

What have you personally done to end fucked up marijuana legalization other than sit on your computer trashing the cops?

Here's another idea...helmet mounted cameras required for raids. The technology is not as expensive as you'd think and a lot of cities use the tech in some capacity already. Given how often these events happen, and the valuable evidence that they would yield (Also beneficial to the police sometimes), it may be a possibility. One lawsuit for a wrongful death costs millions, and enough frivolous claims (Suspect fired first shot/etc) would be prevented by the tech that it would likely pay for itself.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: SB-2]
    #15933000 - 03/11/12 02:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody here is saying such drugs don't cause a serious problem in our society. However, there are better ways to handle such drug problems than locking people up. These people have an addiction, and they need to seek help. If drugs were to be legalized, then we should still have intensive advertising campaigns against their use and particularly their abuse. We should give an addict every opportunity to get themselves help, and if they don't want help, then they don't want it. Sorry. Education and rehabilitation.

Now, if they commit a crime under the influence of a drug, well then they committed a crime, and when they go to jail for it, they should be able to list their drugs of choice and again, be offered help (or even mandated help.)

The point is, even if such drugs are dangerous and addictive, and cause problems in society, taking away the freedoms of those who make the decision to use them shouldn't be an option.


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Re: [LA] Unarmed 20 year old man fatally shot during marijuana raid in New Orleans [Re: Goomba2012]
    #15933024 - 03/11/12 02:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Nobody here is saying such drugs don't cause a serious problem in our society.




You haven't been on this forum long enough. :laugh:

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However, there are better ways to handle such drug problems than locking people up. These people have an addiction, and they need to seek help. If drugs were to be legalized, then we should still have intensive advertising campaigns against their use and particularly their abuse. We should give an addict every opportunity to get themselves help, and if they don't want help, then they don't want it. Sorry. Education and rehabilitation.

Now, if they commit a crime under the influence of a drug, well then they committed a crime, and when they go to jail for it, they should be able to list their drugs of choice and again, be offered help (or even mandated help.)

The point is, even if such drugs are dangerous and addictive, and cause problems in society, taking away the freedoms of those who make the decision to use them shouldn't be an option.




There's plenty of FREE help for addicts right now, that doesn't require you to go to jail or lose any of your freedoms. Meth or heroine is not something your average Joe can find, even if he wants it. If it were legalized the situation would be different.

The best compromise I can come up with is mandated rehab/program for first conviction, misdemeanor for second with monthly testing for a time period, felony charge for third. We have to live in the real world. Even if legalizing everything WAS a good idea, it will never happen.

I see where you're coming from, though, especially after reading your other post. It sounds like you really got screwed. I'm glad you avoided prison, at least.


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