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Its just such petty shit 1500 dollars is barely an incentive.
People need to find better shit to whine about
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 Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace  [Re: OGTubs]
#15907954 - 03/06/12 09:58 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Its just such petty shit 1500 dollars is barely an incentive.
People need to find better shit to whine about
$1500?! The media has been tossing out numbers as high as 25 grand for certain players targeted by the Saints. Allegedly, of course. But I don't know where you got 1500. Lol
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: Niffla]
#15907955 - 03/06/12 09:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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50,000 is the total pool
Idiot....
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: OGTubs]
#15907982 - 03/06/12 10:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Got a link? ESPN reported 25K for certain individual players, you epic tard of biblical proportions.
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: Niffla]
#15908047 - 03/06/12 10:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You know what, 50K. You're right. INDIVIDUAL players got up to 50 grand, that pool you speak of, to take opposing players out.
Do you understand what that means, dipshit? If Jonathan Vilma knocks out a Tom Brady (or name your star player), he gets 50 thousand dollars. Enough to buy him a new beamer.
$1,500...laughing my motherfucking ass off. It might have been 1500 contributed by various individual players on the team, but the incentive was 50 grand.
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: Niffla]
#15908104 - 03/06/12 10:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d8275bb0f/saints-pay-for-performance-system-commonplace-in-nfl/
Payouts ranged from 500-1500 
Dipshit, 3rd paragraph
And just to be clear its all against the rules
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: OGTubs]
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: OGTubs]
#15909458 - 03/06/12 05:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The fact that they're comparing the two says alot.
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: OGTubs]
#15909483 - 03/06/12 05:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Nice link btw,
Skip Bayless actually brings up some good points about the Saint's title run and how they played borderline dirty against Favre and Warner.
I remember watching the NFC title game thinking wow how many times are they hitting him late...
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If they played dirty there should have been flags thrown.
I saw both of those games and neither seemed to be remote;y out of the ordinary in re: vicious hits. They were day at the office tough games in the playoffs.
Given that Favre missed what? two games in a million year career just goes to show what this amounts to. Who wouldn't go out to try to hit a star more and harder than a dud?
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: zappaisgod]
#15910624 - 03/06/12 08:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If they played dirty there should have been flags thrown.
There were 2 personal fouls, and a third one that the NFL admitted should have also been called, all on late hits on Brett Favre.
McCrary was also fined $20,000 for one of the hits on Favre after that game. He had basically twisted around Favre's ankle on a high-low tackle after Favre had handed the ball off.
So yeah, in my opinion, it was borderline dirty.
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"borderline dirty", lol.
My problem with all of this is that football is an inherently violent sport. Always has been, and always will be. Defensive players, by definition, get paid to injure other players. It is their job to hit as hard as they can, while staying in the rules. "Borderline dirty", just like "borderline pass interference" is called playing good defense. If you have a problem with it, your probably a Vikings fan.
The whole problem with this is not the Saint's manner of play. I guarantee that will not change. The problem is the "super contractual bonuses", which is pretty bogus anyway. Players get paid play football, which again, is inherently violent; therefore, defensive players get paid [by the NFL] to hurt other players. I've never even played one game of football, and even I can understand that basic underlying concept. Violent hits have been, and will continue to be glorified by both the NFL (watch some NFL Films) and all the fans. Any good defensive player with push the limits of the current and ever changing rules built to protect the likes of Tom Brady.
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: cortex]
#15913873 - 03/07/12 02:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It's one thing to play the sport as it's meant to be played.
It's another thing to be giving financial bonuses for injuries and "cart offs".
But I don't expect you to look at this whole issue objectively. Your bias in favor of the Saints pretty much makes your opinion dismissive.
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Looks like they're going to lay down hard on the Saints' organization...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7653779/sean-payton-mickey-loomis-new-orleans-saints-apologize-bounty-system
"Once the probe concludes -- the league says there is no timetable -- Roger Goodell likely will hand out the stiffest penalties of his 5½ years as commissioner."
"The Saints can expect heavier sanctions than those given the Patriots, with suspensions likely for Loomis and Payton and a seven-figure fine for the organization."
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I would be extremely interested if someone with access to the information could do a statistical analysis comparing the number of cart-offs and serious injuries inflicted by the Saints vs the rest of the league. I bet there is almost no significant difference.
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: zappaisgod]
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The only useful statistic I could find was that through week 12 of last season, the Saints led the league in personal fouls and roughing-the-passer penalties.
Gregg Williams was still D-Coordinator.
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lol
this guy played a big part in the ain'ts winning the super bowl
new orleans should have to vacate their super bowl and refill the the superdome with shit water a la katrina
and for the love of christ take their garbage citizens with them that Houston took in after Katrina
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The only useful statistic I could find was that through week 12 of last season, the Saints led the league in personal fouls and roughing-the-passer penalties.
Gregg Williams was still D-Coordinator.
The Raiders did that for decades.
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Re: Saint's Bounty disgrace [Re: zappaisgod]
#15915232 - 03/07/12 07:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The Raiders did that for decades.
I will not dispute this.
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I'll admit they blatantly broke the written rules. I'll also admit that Payton can be an arrogant prick who thinks the rules don't apply to him, and that this attitude spreads through the whole team, especially when the DC is even more arrogant and prick-y. Their shenanigans pre- and post-XLVI are just one example of that.
Apparently Payton and Loomis knew this extra-contractual incentive program in place. They knew it violated the rules, and they new the NFL was watching them, yet they continued to turn a blind eye (if not directly participate in it). It's as if they either thought they wouldn't get caught or it wasn't that big of a deal if they did. Considering the intelligence these men have, it's probably the former.
So they knowingly broke specific league rules, lied about it when questioned, then continued to break the same rule.
There is no way, even as a die hard fan, for me to defend that. It clearly merits tough punishments.
But to me that is where it ends: they broke a rule involving extra-contractual incentives. I think the "cart-off" and "knocked out" rhetoric is likely blown out of proportion, but even it's not, I still stand by the notion that football IS an inherently violent sport, and it is by definition that an NFL defender gets paid to injure other players.
Let me also mention the fact that this rule is clearly broken ALL THE TIME in the NFL, but the Saints were merely the first to get in trouble for it.
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