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 smokintheherb
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 What makes life worth living? 
#15896869 - 03/04/12 12:58 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Day to day, when a person wakes up, what is it that wills them into action? What is the motivating force behind what they do? Is it born from necessity? Where does the impulse of necessity come from? What makes a person decide they, specifically, are the one who has the duty of doing something? What holds people bound to the duties with which they are responsible? How are love and need related? Could two people who don’t need love, need each other? Could two people who have no needs, love each other? Is love just a byproduct of necessity, or is necessity a byproduct of love? Can you experience pleasure without love? Can you experience love without pleasure? If you don’t feel good, then what makes life worth living?
Any answers would be enlightening.
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 MarkostheGnostic
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smokintheherb said:
Day to day, when a person wakes up, what is it that wills them into action? What is the motivating force behind what they do? Is it born from necessity? Where does the impulse of necessity come from? What makes a person decide they, specifically, are the one who has the duty of doing something? What holds people bound to the duties with which they are responsible? How are love and need related? Could two people who don’t need love, need each other? Could two people who have no needs, love each other? Is love just a byproduct of necessity, or is necessity a byproduct of love? Can you experience pleasure without love? Can you experience love without pleasure? If you don’t feel good, then what makes life worth living?
Any answers would be enlightening.
Consider reading the chapter on chakra psychology in Ken Keyes' Handbook to Higher Consciousness. It is simple, yet profound, and it may address each one of your questions to your satisfaction. We all have several universal motives operating in our human make-up. As in the 5 chakra Buddhist Yoga, those Tibetan prayer flags in Yellow, Green, Red, White, and Blue symbolize Earth, Water, Fire, Air, and Space/Consciousness, same as the alchemical and magickal elements symbolized by the pentagram. These are universal human motives, which, in varying combinations, results in our individuality, just as the universal water molecules result in infinitely individual snow flakes.
At bottom are the instincts of self-preservation and survival of the species. These are the anal-genital chakras which register fear and sexual desire, or survival and reproduction. Once we have met our most instinctual needs for air, water, food, and shelter, we can reproduce. We don't want to remain in this instinctual 'basement,' working a menial job. As soon as we seek a higher status, more green energy (money), "will to power," we are operating out of our 3rd chakra - also an instinctual center, but one extended to pack, den, family unit, extended family, ethnicity, etc. Social reality exists for animals too. Psychologist Alfred Adler was all about these motives, while Sigmund Freud's work was all about the death-life dynamic (Thanatos-Eros) of the anal-genital centers on our motives.
There is then a radical transition to the 4th center at the Heart. It is characterized by Compassion, and is the meeting place of the Earthly centers below, and the Heavenly centers above, so that as one draws Higher Consciousness down from the trans-personal centers into the personal center, our Compassion is expanded to more than our immediate biological tribe to embrace more people, and animals, and perhaps the whole biosphere. To some extent, this universal, archetypal Compassion is addressed in the process of Individuation by Jung, and also by Carl Rogers' "Unconditional Positive Regard," "Empathy," and "Congruence."
Now, your very inquiry here is drawing from the 5th center, which is about Communication, Knowledge, and Seeking meaning. The "Will to Meaning" was perhaps best described by psychiatrist Victor Frankl.
Beyond to the 6th and 7th chakras, psychologist Abraham Maslow coined the term "Peak experience," from which trippers derived the word 'peak' to mean the highest part of a trip, resulting in Insight/Wisdom and Unity.
All of these centers function in us, but most people are more identified with the denser, more physical, and social aspects of life. But Higher Consciousness needs to be brought down from the Heaven centers to merge with Earthly motives, in the intermediary heart center. This balance is what makes an individual whole, and one develops from being a psycho-physical soul of mind-body to a psycho-spiritual being as well. Body-Soul-Spirit. We are a microcosmic trinity of sorts, born in watery darkness, placed on the Earth to grow towards Light and Space. Knowing that life IS a trip, and that I am bid to practice Compassion in order to develop Wisdom, is the gyro that orders the rest of my earthly life with its job and insurance and schooling. Hey...read BE HERE NOW. The 1st part is for before a trip, the brown core for during, and the 'Cookbook for a Sacred Life' after.
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circastes
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I don't think there's any motivator. 
I think when you're full of energy you just want to get higher, so you do things to make you higher.
There's no point to anything we do or our mortal shells. There is only one thing, one state, one existence, and it is beyond all this, and it is you. If everyone knew this, I don't know if it would be better or worse as a place to live (Earth). People would certainly feel better, but people are so attached... to their materials, to their children, their lovers, that it might not make sense to them. The lives they lead... would not make sense...
You can of course have lovers and children and fast cars etc. in realising the Self, but it's a far more playful kind of attachment. See: Osho.
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"There never was any forgetfulness for Self."
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Re: What makes life worth living? [Re: circastes]
#15897678 - 03/04/12 05:29 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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curiosity
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Style is the answer to everything.
A fresh way to approach a dull or dangerous thing
To do a dull thing with style is preferable to doing a dangerous thing without it
To do a dangerous thing with style is what I call art. ~Bukowski
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Jessica Swift
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The meaning of life is a life of meaning.
That's bumper sticker length, so you know it must be true.
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LunarEclipse
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smokintheherb said:
Day to day, when a person wakes up, what is it that wills them into action? What is the motivating force behind what they do? Is it born from necessity? Where does the impulse of necessity come from? What makes a person decide they, specifically, are the one who has the duty of doing something? What holds people bound to the duties with which they are responsible? How are love and need related? Could two people who don’t need love, need each other? Could two people who have no needs, love each other? Is love just a byproduct of necessity, or is necessity a byproduct of love? Can you experience pleasure without love? Can you experience love without pleasure? If you don’t feel good, then what makes life worth living?
Any answers would be enlightening.
When you quit asking so many questions, less answers are required. This isn't a class or a test. This is your life.
Love hurts.
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LSDenthusiast
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Realizing there is no meaning, can be freeing and more meaningful than having a meaning.
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LunarEclipse
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"I say what I mean and I mean what I say hey hey look at what you did you can call it what you want but I call it messing with the kid"
or what jr said
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Don't submit to dogma.
Edited by LunarEclipse (03/04/12 12:44 PM)
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g00ru
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I usually wake up cause I have to pee or poop
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g00ru
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Re: What makes life worth living? [Re: g00ru]
#15898703 - 03/04/12 01:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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after that, it's a balancing act.
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circastes
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Re: What makes life worth living? [Re: g00ru]
#15899366 - 03/04/12 04:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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hahah
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"Your salvation may lie in a rational apprehension of the present moment."
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"There never was any forgetfulness for Self."
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