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 Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself?  1
#15866925 - 02/26/12 07:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I've had this thought on the one occasion where I achieved total ego death. I still can't put the experience into words (that will do it any justice), but the apex of it was when I realized I was god. I say that in the least insane way possible 
Whether it's complete bullshit or not, I'm just interested if anyone else has had this experience/delusion?
Here's the jist of it:
We are all essentially god. Not just humans, but everything which exists is a vessel for god to experience all things. The misconception about god is that he is all knowing and omnipotent, and while this is true, the only way for such an entity to experience is for him to shed his own perfection. Perhaps the big bang was god destroying himself just so he could experience the full gamut of experience this particular version of the universe offers. To experience life as a star, a planet, a forest, a running stream, a colony of ants, a mother, a warrior, a lover, a philospher, an explorer, and even a psychedelic adventurer. To experience all things from the worst pain, agony, and sorrow to the greatest feelings of love, happiness, and ecstasy. To struggle for survival, to thrive in all environments, to figure out the best possible solutions to the problems present in this world. That is essentially what evolution is after all.
The cycle of death/rebirth is a natural fixture of the universe because it is a deterrent against complacency. It destroys stagnancy, and is a catalyst to new experience. It's a measure that ensures this simulation we call reality continues.
Psychedelic drugs are destroyers in this way. It will offer you a new perspective unbound by your ego and cultural lens. The experience may be so great that you will have essentially snuffed the former you out of existence entirely. It may even help god remember his master plan. But what happens when god remembers that he's god? Either he forgets, or... boom?
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: icecap] 2
#15866948 - 02/26/12 07:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: Salomon]
#15866982 - 02/26/12 07:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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the big bang never happened in my opinion, it just always was. CREATION, CREATOR, CREATE. EAT ATE, CREATE. EVERYTHING REPRESENTS CREATIVE
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: trANce] 1
#15867029 - 02/26/12 07:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ive had the same 'theory' since I started doing mushrooms.
Then(which about 3 days ago) i tried DMT for the first time,(on 2.5 grams of mushrooms too) and brokethrough like a motherfucker. I think. I took 4 medium sized hits, and a UFO which was the size of a large pizza from say, dominos or pizza hut, that reminded me of the 'Mellinium Falcon' from Star Wars, it was more real than my family. Theres more details but i do not want to look like i am jackin ya thread.
My point is i realized i do not know anything, no matter how i hard i try. I was raised Christain then raised by PHYSCADELICS. I dont know shit my man.
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: Quest_ions] 1
#15867083 - 02/26/12 07:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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There is nothing else besides God. Reality is veiled for most people and entheogens are one possible way to lift the veil.
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: psychotropicwhale]
#15867154 - 02/26/12 08:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I think you are all very close. Right up over that next peak more of the puzzle will be revealed. Eventually it will make complete and total sense but too bad you'll never really remember it when it does. Not to worry though, take another hit and the meaning will crystallize once again for your entertainment. If you continue doing it and pay close attention you can keep these truths with you even after the trip. And then you have the Truth.
Big whoop.
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: joemolloy] 2
#15867197 - 02/26/12 08:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
joemolloy said:
I think you are all very close. Right up over that next peak more of the puzzle will be revealed. Eventually it will make complete and total sense but too bad you'll never really remember it when it does. Not to worry though, take another hit and the meaning will crystallize once again for your entertainment. If you continue doing it and pay close attention you can keep these truths with you even after the trip. And then you have the Truth.
Big whoop.
Seekers of The Truth are really foolish, they don't realize that figuring it out (whatever it may be) is counter-productive. Yet at the same time I admire their unquenchable curiosity.
If you actually find out the truth then the ride's over folks. You'll still strive for infinite experience because that's all there is for an infinite being, and the only way to do that is to forget... or destroy yourself.
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: icecap] 1
#15867218 - 02/26/12 08:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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^very smart individual^....
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: trANce]
#15867252 - 02/26/12 08:33 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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trANce said:
^very smart individual^....
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We are all essentially god. Not just humans, but everything which exists is a vessel for god to experience all things. The misconception about god is that he is all knowing and omnipotent, and while this is true, the only way for such an entity to experience is for him to shed his own perfection.
Very smart indeed. Where can I get such knowledge and wisdom as contained in this insightful observation?
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: joemolloy]
#15867298 - 02/26/12 08:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: trANce] 2
#15867367 - 02/26/12 08:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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This is common knowledge throughout most ancient belief systems. The main point I think is not to try and hold on to any one particular "truth" or experience, and instead accept them all as different perspectives, with no preference.
That is why I quit trying to write shit down during/after trips. Eventually I realized as soon as I wrote it down or tried to explain it in words I fell short of being able to express the true experience itself. Its like when people sip wine and sit there and try to explain every nuanced flavor at the same time. I say, shut the fuck up and drink it. Why are you wasting time explaining the flavor when you should be TASTING it? And you can only go "HOLY FUCK I JUST FIGURED OUT (insert awesome revelation here)" so many times before you no longer feel like having a spiritual sex change every time you eat a mushroom.
So my point is you are probably right, but remember that in Hinduism the universal God you are talking about "plays" the universe like a game as opposed to creating and ruling it. SO just sit back and enjoy it. If you can't laugh at the stupidness of it while also crying at the beauty of it, you're gonna end up in the psyche ward
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: joemolloy]
#15867369 - 02/26/12 08:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
joemolloy said:
Very smart indeed. Where can I get such knowledge and wisdom as contained in this insightful observation?
Just mushrooms, weed, and a strong enough desire to know. Also a good mental filter.
I've had one real mushroom experience since (it was different but almost as profound) and I think I'm gonna take a break for a while. It seems I can't do high doses unless I'm willing to go deeper than I could possibly be prepared to go. I think from now on I'll use it as an occasional wake up call to go out there and live life to it's fullest.
Although I doubt my foolish desire to "know" will ever leave me. I'm sure the same is true for a lot of people who post here.
Edited by icecap (02/26/12 09:11 PM)
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: icecap]
#15867792 - 02/26/12 10:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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What if you don't believe in god?
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#15867826 - 02/26/12 10:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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What if you don't believe in god?
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is this the case?...
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#15867839 - 02/26/12 10:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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DMT is bullshit.
But in all seriousness i totally know what you mean. We are all the same consciousness and shit. I am tired of talking about it though. I don't really wanna redo it again. It took weeks for me to get normal again after a heavy dmt ego death trip. Its too much.
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: icecap] 1
#15867863 - 02/26/12 10:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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i experienced what you describe on my highest of psilocybin journeys/dosage
around that time i found this http://wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/
put together by a member here at the shroomery.. (Brainfood)
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: icecap] 1
#15867890 - 02/26/12 11:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You've put into words what I experienced on my heaviest dose of mushrooms. I think you are right, but one of the "rules of the game" is that you are programmed to not remember the complete truth of your revelations, you just get a glimpse behind the veil and then the bouncers chuck you out.
I think that's the idea: it would be pretty boring for God to have a bunch of big-brained apes sitting around knowing everything instead of loving and fighting.
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: viktor]
#15867919 - 02/26/12 11:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I "tapped" into a level 5 trip and it is absolutely mind bending, even thinking of ego death at this point in my mushie experience is insane.. my time will come though, thats for sure
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: Swwert]
#15868272 - 02/27/12 12:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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was your breakthrough anything like this? I watched this after a breakthrough and it verbally sums it up perfectly.
http://youtu.be/M89Xos0XqxY
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Re: Is god the ultimate experiencer? Is everything just god experiencing himself? [Re: windowlikcer]
#15868298 - 02/27/12 12:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I think the reason we're even able to casually talk about this is because we don't allow ourselves to believe it 100%. We think "yea, that sounds about right" and go on with our lives. We always leave open the possibility that this is all just a drug induced delusion. Funny how you can be a true believer while tripping and then turn into a skeptic when you wake up in the morning. I suppose that's a good thing in a society that doesn't value this kind of experience.
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