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 Jwlst
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 Re: nature; the life, the killer  [Re: blingbling]
#15810826 - 02/14/12 08:52 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Nature is simply a system comprising of billions of different organisms, in which these organisms all compete with each other to try and dominate as much of 'nature' as possible.
nature is more than organisms.
True I guess, if you include rocks, dirt and water as a part of nature.
The important thing to remember is that we did alot of killing to take control of nature
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we are nature. we are not in control of nature. nature is in control of us. the nature your describing doesn't exist
First of all, you're not your in that sentence.
I never said we are not nature, clearly we are a living organism and therefore a part of nature. To an extent we certainly do control nature, if we wanted we could easily wipe out almost any species if we so desired (bar those pesky insects/bacteria), or could even change the whole worlds atmosphere if we decided to let all our nukes go off at once.
While most people over estimate the strength of humans and their domination on nature, I think you are under estimating it. I get where you're coming from, saying humans are a part of nature therefore cannot control it, but I don't think being part of something and controlling it are mutually exclusive terms. For example, I assume you can control yourself, yet you are a part of yourself, are you not?
Nature is inanimate, thoughtless, neither good nor evil and exerts no control at all. It is the organisms within the system of nature that exert the control.
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Re: nature; the life, the killer [Re: Jwlst]
#15811377 - 02/14/12 10:46 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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if we wanted we could easily wipe out almost any species if we so desired (bar those pesky insects/bacteria), or could even change the whole worlds atmosphere if we decided to let all our nukes go off at once.
again, nature is more than organisms and also more than our planet.
I assume you can control yourself, yet you are a part of yourself, are you not?
how do we know that we are controlling ourselves? it's quite possible that our actions are determined by forces beyond our control.
Nature is inanimate, thoughtless, neither good nor evil and exerts no control at all.
this doesn't make sense because we are apart of nature, we have thoughts and we are animate objects.
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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Re: nature; the life, the killer [Re: blingbling]
#15814423 - 02/15/12 03:54 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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blingbling said:
if we wanted we could easily wipe out almost any species if we so desired (bar those pesky insects/bacteria), or could even change the whole worlds atmosphere if we decided to let all our nukes go off at once.
again, nature is more than organisms and also more than our planet.
I assume you can control yourself, yet you are a part of yourself, are you not?
how do we know that we are controlling ourselves? it's quite possible that our actions are determined by forces beyond our control.
Nature is inanimate, thoughtless, neither good nor evil and exerts no control at all.
this doesn't make sense because we are apart of nature, we have thoughts and we are animate objects.
I wouldn't refer to space as being a part of nature, although maybe your right and it is...?
I am in control of myself. Watch. I'll prove it.
I am going to write a list of barnyard animals:
Chicken
Sheep
Goat
Cow
Seems like I was in control enough to write a list of barnyard animals.
I see your point about not being in control, but that is more suited to a debate on free will I would think.
For the last comment though, yes while we are a part of nature, we are still not literally nature itself, I do not think nature is a sentient being like the organisms that comprise it, therefore it is inanimate. Nature only exists as a symbol of a system of life, I do not believe by itself it is actually self aware.
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