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Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc?
    #15810223 - 02/14/12 07:04 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I wonder sometimes if pot was supposed to be a hallucinogen that made you trip just like shrooms or peyote.

I remember the first few times I smoked weed I experienced something that could maybe be called a "trip." 

Maybe the reason noone normally trips on weed is because of the frequency in which it's usually used (everyday or every week, etc), opposed to the once a month or every few months that psychedelics are typically used.

If someone started taking shrooms everyday, they would eventually not trip anymore and they would probably not even get a buzz.

It probably all depends on dosage, tolerance, etc.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810234 - 02/14/12 07:06 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Weed is trippy at high doses, but very pleasant at lower doses.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810235 - 02/14/12 07:06 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

my first year smoking i had more and better highs and hallucinations on weed than LSD. LSD was just different


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810237 - 02/14/12 07:07 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

doesn't make sense to me. saying it was "meant" to be a certain way would imply a god and then it would mean god made a mistake since weed is not much of a hallucinogen.

idk I kinda get what your sayin though. weed is mild hallucinogen


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #15810245 - 02/14/12 07:09 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Thc is a hallucinogen. It's chemical makup classifies it as such.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810249 - 02/14/12 07:10 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

agreed to an extent.

i'd say it's a minor psychedelic. not quite on the level of mushrooms, dmt, lsd, etc.

it's noteworthy to mention that it doesn't interact in the brain the same way as the other psychs.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810256 - 02/14/12 07:11 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

When you say meant and hallucinogen you are confining weed to a very limited description

It can be whatever you make it out to be, the experience that is.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Samurai_Jim]
    #15810261 - 02/14/12 07:12 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Thc is a hallucinogen. It's chemical makup classifies it as such.



oh really?


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Samurai_Jim]
    #15810272 - 02/14/12 07:14 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Thc is a hallucinogen. It's chemical makup classifies it as such.




Isn't it a different class than the traditional psychedelics?

Weed definitely has full-blown psychedelic effects at high doses, especially in edibles. The visuals and head trip increase proportionately to the dosage, just like with psychedelics.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist] * 1
    #15810291 - 02/14/12 07:18 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Alcohol makes me hallucinate if I drink enough of it.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810300 - 02/14/12 07:20 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Meant?



define "meant". I see no conscious purpose behind the existence of THC, it was developed via evolution as a benefit to the cannabis plant


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15810303 - 02/14/12 07:22 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Meant?



define "meant". I see no conscious purpose behind the existence of THC, it was developed via evolution as a benefit to the cannabis plant



so the currently most accepted theory goes....


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810305 - 02/14/12 07:22 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Alcohol makes me hallucinate if I drink enough of it.




Can't say I've ever had the same experience, I just black out or pass out.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15810306 - 02/14/12 07:23 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Evolution? :lolsy:


Our alien gods presented the plant as a gift to its human creations.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist]
    #15810308 - 02/14/12 07:23 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Alcohol makes me hallucinate if I drink enough of it.




Can't say I've ever had the same experience, I just black out or pass out.



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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810309 - 02/14/12 07:23 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Meant?



define "meant". I see no conscious purpose behind the existence of THC, it was developed via evolution as a benefit to the cannabis plant



so the currently most accepted theory goes....






so the current theory with the most supporting evidence goes..


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810312 - 02/14/12 07:24 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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doesn't make sense to me. saying it was "meant" to be a certain way would imply a god and then it would mean god made a mistake since weed is not much of a hallucinogen.

idk I kinda get what your sayin though. weed is mild hallucinogen




Semantics aside you understand what I'm saying.  Weed has the POTENTIAL to be a hallucinogen much like LSD, mushrooms, etc. 

I'd definitely say I've tripped on weed before.
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Alcohol makes me hallucinate if I drink enough of it.




That's fuckin weird


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15810317 - 02/14/12 07:25 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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so the current theory with the most supporting evidence goes..





the theory with the most supporting evidence is always the currently most accepted theory. doesnt mean the theory is literally true. just mean it hasn't yet been replaced with a better one.

see phlogiston, effluvia, etc.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810324 - 02/14/12 07:25 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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morrowasted said:
Alcohol makes me hallucinate if I drink enough of it.




Can't say I've ever had the same experience, I just black out or pass out.



All women start looking sexy to me.




Hmmmm... that IS a distortion of reality... :lol:

Still though, bright and colorful geometric closed-eye visuals is really what I'm getting at - that's a distinctly psychedelic thang, and weed does it.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810332 - 02/14/12 07:26 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Do you think the human species' "cannabinoid receptor" was meant to take a beating on a daily basis? :stoned:


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist]
    #15810335 - 02/14/12 07:27 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Still though, bright and colorful geometric closed-eye visuals is really what I'm getting at - that's a distinctly psychedelic thang, and weed does it.




It's never happened to me on weed. I've gotten very very fucked up on weed but the visuals I got were just the result of me paying more attention to the visuals I always get. The only time I have seen those geometric patterns overwhelm my vision at times they normally couldn't are times when I took serotonergic drugs.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810344 - 02/14/12 07:29 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Eh, well, my experiences are different. I've had pretty extensive visual patterning with weed, although it's certainly never "overwhelmed" the way a hit of DMT would.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist]
    #15810387 - 02/14/12 07:38 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

i use to get massive amounts of visual patterning when i first started smoking and only got high once a week.

weed is definitely mildly psychedelic if you ask me, and it goes far beyond visuals.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: wildchild68]
    #15810396 - 02/14/12 07:40 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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it goes far beyond visuals.




Super true.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: wildchild68]
    #15810408 - 02/14/12 07:41 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Far beyond visuals? You mean it does other things than provide visuals? Yes, I agree. That is why I have always smoked weed: for the effect it had on my mind. Not for the "visual" effects. Now that I recall, I did have some visuals when I first began to smoke, but that was never what attracted to me marijuana. It was the euphoria and the sheer differentness of it.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810415 - 02/14/12 07:43 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

In the same way, the visuals are the least important aspect of any psychedelic experience to me. That is just a disruption of my ability to see correctly, according to what I know about the brain. The effect psychedelics have on my ability to think is what I am really after.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810420 - 02/14/12 07:44 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

eat 7 grams worth of high quailty bud made into brownies, with no tolerance. That would make you trip hardddddddd.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #15810426 - 02/14/12 07:45 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

IME the visual patterning gets very intense at high doses of edibles, to the extent that I can honestly say it is in the territory of LSD or shrooms.

The mental effects are the best though... it's such a peaceful, loving herb. I hate to sound like such a hippy but it's kinda true, you know? :vaped:


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist]
    #15810440 - 02/14/12 07:48 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

It is true. I will always like drugs like LSD better, though. Marijuana affected some change in me, but it was not nearly the kind of catalyst that LSD and mushrooms were.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810467 - 02/14/12 07:51 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I think Wiki says it best:

"While many psychoactive drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, cannabis exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogenic or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well. Though THC is typically considered the primary active component of the cannabis plant, various scientific studies have suggested that certain other cannabinoids like CBD may also play a significant role in its psychoactive effects."

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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: dat_ass]
    #15810485 - 02/14/12 07:55 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

the categories are all fucked up imho


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: legit27]
    #15810529 - 02/14/12 08:04 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Ill weigh in on this one. Reefer is reefer of course. Smoking it makes you silly and potentially havoc causing, but as I recently discovered in a tincture it is about as psychedelic as any substance can get. In my opinion. The first time I noticed it was consequently the day I picked my first possibly active  mushroom. STILL don't have an ID on it because I can't create a thred. Not that I haven't tried finding the answer through the search options. Have found its probably safe to eat. Via the black spore print... I digress back to OP. So I take this tincture. Put on Willie Nelson and start wring about this pick in a little journal I've started. I lay back and look up at this light and all of a sudden things start going to hell! Not literally, just my way of saying 4 sheets down and idk which way is up ya dig? Everything was purple and green and (I have those drop ceiling school lights but they are cracked ice look for em next time your in lowes) and this crazy scene starts playing out infront of me: very intense; didn't know what was happening I thought I sniffed some of the spores and I was a few hours from death. That was by far the best trip I've had since my first mushroom trip while watching Click. I still have an image burned into my head from it. Idk if that helps this convo other than I am now sure it was the tincture following last nights redosing.

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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15810539 - 02/14/12 08:05 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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In the same way, the visuals are the least important aspect of any psychedelic experience to me. That is just a disruption of my ability to see correctly, according to what I know about the brain. The effect psychedelics have on my ability to think is what I am really after.




completely agreed.

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It is true. I will always like drugs like LSD better, though. Marijuana affected some change in me, but it was not nearly the kind of catalyst that LSD and mushrooms were.




As an experience, there's little doubt that LSD blows weed away. It's sharper, deeper, and more defined. it's its own form of consciousness, and i'm not sure weed quite gets to that level. although, like tchan was talking about, i've never dosed heavily on edibles.

but weed offers a more consistent feeling and isn't so piercing and unsettling (i mean that in the best way possible), while still offering similar benefits.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: wildchild68]
    #15810766 - 02/14/12 08:42 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Speaking from personal experience edibles are very psychedelic.
I've eaten about 4 grams of decent weed via firecracker. that night changed my life, and i tripped just as hard as i did my frist mushrooms trip.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: legit27]
    #15810850 - 02/14/12 08:57 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I'd love to try that, but i can't really justify spending $50 to eat a bunch of weed at once.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: pyrate999]
    #15810865 - 02/14/12 09:00 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Cannabis was meant to be a natural medicine.
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Do you think the human species' "cannabinoid receptor" was meant to take a beating on a daily basis? :stoned:



More like tender caressing by sweet Mary.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #15810910 - 02/14/12 09:10 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

If I have no tolerance then weed can definitely be psychedelic and trippy for me. Not quite to the extent of or in the same way as say mushrooms, but it can still be quite trippy with hallucinations and everything just not quite as intense or obvious as other psychedelics.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: pyrate999]
    #15810927 - 02/14/12 09:16 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

I do


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: KaptKid]
    #15810945 - 02/14/12 09:20 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Do you think the human species' "cannabinoid receptor" was meant to take a beating on a daily basis? :stoned:



...Yes? :Awesketch: is this a trick question?


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: NWlight]
    #15810967 - 02/14/12 09:24 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Even smoking daily I still get a slight shift in perception and vividness.  When I first startedit definitely was strong visually, no doubt.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Phenom]
    #15811180 - 02/14/12 10:00 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

What the fuck do you mean "meant to be"

It occurs naturally.


It's whatever you want it to be that's the beauty of it. it's good in several different doses, methods of ingestion, frequency of use, potentcy, etc.

It CAN be used to acheive a trip i guess. But what really defines a trip? I know for a fact you can get so high off a good dose of the danky dank that you enter a state which you are able to have mild hallucinations and sensations.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
    #15811500 - 02/14/12 11:14 PM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Alcohol makes me hallucinate if I drink enough of it.





I have also experienced this. My brother who is experienced in psilocybin and higher doses of dxm has told me some of his most hallucinogenic occurences have been on alcohol, albeit he was somewhat of a alcoholic when it happened. I think almost any mind altering substance can be hallucinogenic in the right mindset.  I have had extremely intense closed eye visuals on opiates (oxycodone in particular) and I am also perversed in dxm and mushrooms.  Also when I first started smoking weed I had very vivid cev's and "trippy" moments on it.  I do not smoke weed regularly anymore, maybe three times a year, but when I do I do not experience what people would define as hallucinogenic.  It seems to me that the term "hallucinogenic" is more relative then anything and will be portrayed that way on a person to person basis.

Also those people complaining about the semantics of the post, come on, you got to get the drift of what this fine poster is saying.  Theres no sense in even stating whats wrong with his wording.  Im sure if he said this in real life not a one of you would question what he meant or try to correct his way of portraying it.  This isn't a newspaper or a book, lets get real here.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #15812112 - 02/15/12 03:40 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

Personally I don't like to trip on weed. Makes me paranoid, and confused. Low doses of ThC have always been my favorote


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: legit27]
    #15812132 - 02/15/12 03:57 AM (3 months, 12 days ago)

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Personally I don't like to trip on weed. Makes me paranoid, and confused. Low doses of ThC have always been my favorote




Ditto, one bong rip is enough for me. It's easy to go over the top when smoking with peers though, and the social vibes can make things pretty confusing for me. Hence I typically enjoy using cannabis alone or with a good friend.


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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #15835357 - 02/19/12 10:09 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

hell yeah weed is a hallucinogen.

When you burn weed (bong, joint ect) you destroy a heap of canabinoids and other psychoactive chemicals. But when you cook with it, those chemicals dont get destroyed, thus, you trip ballz


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