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 morrowasted
 
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 Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc?  [Re: BlindSophist]
#15810335 - 02/14/12 07:27 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Still though, bright and colorful geometric closed-eye visuals is really what I'm getting at - that's a distinctly psychedelic thang, and weed does it.
It's never happened to me on weed. I've gotten very very fucked up on weed but the visuals I got were just the result of me paying more attention to the visuals I always get. The only time I have seen those geometric patterns overwhelm my vision at times they normally couldn't are times when I took serotonergic drugs.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
#15810344 - 02/14/12 07:29 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Eh, well, my experiences are different. I've had pretty extensive visual patterning with weed, although it's certainly never "overwhelmed" the way a hit of DMT would.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist]
#15810387 - 02/14/12 07:38 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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i use to get massive amounts of visual patterning when i first started smoking and only got high once a week.
weed is definitely mildly psychedelic if you ask me, and it goes far beyond visuals.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: wildchild68]
#15810396 - 02/14/12 07:40 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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wildchild68 said:
it goes far beyond visuals.
Super true.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: wildchild68]
#15810408 - 02/14/12 07:41 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Far beyond visuals? You mean it does other things than provide visuals? Yes, I agree. That is why I have always smoked weed: for the effect it had on my mind. Not for the "visual" effects. Now that I recall, I did have some visuals when I first began to smoke, but that was never what attracted to me marijuana. It was the euphoria and the sheer differentness of it.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
#15810415 - 02/14/12 07:43 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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In the same way, the visuals are the least important aspect of any psychedelic experience to me. That is just a disruption of my ability to see correctly, according to what I know about the brain. The effect psychedelics have on my ability to think is what I am really after.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
#15810420 - 02/14/12 07:44 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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eat 7 grams worth of high quailty bud made into brownies, with no tolerance. That would make you trip hardddddddd.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted] 1
#15810426 - 02/14/12 07:45 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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IME the visual patterning gets very intense at high doses of edibles, to the extent that I can honestly say it is in the territory of LSD or shrooms.
The mental effects are the best though... it's such a peaceful, loving herb. I hate to sound like such a hippy but it's kinda true, you know? 
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: BlindSophist]
#15810440 - 02/14/12 07:48 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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It is true. I will always like drugs like LSD better, though. Marijuana affected some change in me, but it was not nearly the kind of catalyst that LSD and mushrooms were.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
#15810467 - 02/14/12 07:51 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I think Wiki says it best:
"While many psychoactive drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogen, cannabis exhibits a mix of all properties, perhaps leaning the most towards hallucinogenic or psychedelic properties, though with other effects quite pronounced as well. Though THC is typically considered the primary active component of the cannabis plant, various scientific studies have suggested that certain other cannabinoids like CBD may also play a significant role in its psychoactive effects."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29#Classification
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: dat_ass]
#15810485 - 02/14/12 07:55 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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the categories are all fucked up imho
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: legit27]
#15810529 - 02/14/12 08:04 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Ill weigh in on this one. Reefer is reefer of course. Smoking it makes you silly and potentially havoc causing, but as I recently discovered in a tincture it is about as psychedelic as any substance can get. In my opinion. The first time I noticed it was consequently the day I picked my first possibly active mushroom. STILL don't have an ID on it because I can't create a thred. Not that I haven't tried finding the answer through the search options. Have found its probably safe to eat. Via the black spore print... I digress back to OP. So I take this tincture. Put on Willie Nelson and start wring about this pick in a little journal I've started. I lay back and look up at this light and all of a sudden things start going to hell! Not literally, just my way of saying 4 sheets down and idk which way is up ya dig? Everything was purple and green and (I have those drop ceiling school lights but they are cracked ice look for em next time your in lowes) and this crazy scene starts playing out infront of me: very intense; didn't know what was happening I thought I sniffed some of the spores and I was a few hours from death. That was by far the best trip I've had since my first mushroom trip while watching Click. I still have an image burned into my head from it. Idk if that helps this convo other than I am now sure it was the tincture following last nights redosing.
There ya have it, words of wisdom from a fool. Good night and happy vday to all.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: morrowasted]
#15810539 - 02/14/12 08:05 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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morrowasted said:
In the same way, the visuals are the least important aspect of any psychedelic experience to me. That is just a disruption of my ability to see correctly, according to what I know about the brain. The effect psychedelics have on my ability to think is what I am really after.
completely agreed.
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It is true. I will always like drugs like LSD better, though. Marijuana affected some change in me, but it was not nearly the kind of catalyst that LSD and mushrooms were.
As an experience, there's little doubt that LSD blows weed away. It's sharper, deeper, and more defined. it's its own form of consciousness, and i'm not sure weed quite gets to that level. although, like tchan was talking about, i've never dosed heavily on edibles.
but weed offers a more consistent feeling and isn't so piercing and unsettling (i mean that in the best way possible), while still offering similar benefits.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: wildchild68]
#15810766 - 02/14/12 08:42 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Speaking from personal experience edibles are very psychedelic.
I've eaten about 4 grams of decent weed via firecracker. that night changed my life, and i tripped just as hard as i did my frist mushrooms trip.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: legit27]
#15810850 - 02/14/12 08:57 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I'd love to try that, but i can't really justify spending $50 to eat a bunch of weed at once.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: pyrate999]
#15810865 - 02/14/12 09:00 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Cannabis was meant to be a natural medicine.
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Do you think the human species' "cannabinoid receptor" was meant to take a beating on a daily basis? 
More like tender caressing by sweet Mary.
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#15810910 - 02/14/12 09:10 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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If I have no tolerance then weed can definitely be psychedelic and trippy for me. Not quite to the extent of or in the same way as say mushrooms, but it can still be quite trippy with hallucinations and everything just not quite as intense or obvious as other psychedelics.
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 Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: pyrate999]
#15810927 - 02/14/12 09:16 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I do
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: KaptKid]
#15810945 - 02/14/12 09:20 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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pyrate999 said:
Do you think the human species' "cannabinoid receptor" was meant to take a beating on a daily basis?
...Yes?  is this a trick question?
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Re: Do you think Marijuana was meant to be a hallucinogen much like mushrooms, peyote, lsd, etc? [Re: NWlight]
#15810967 - 02/14/12 09:24 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Even smoking daily I still get a slight shift in perception and vividness. When I first startedit definitely was strong visually, no doubt.
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