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 curious mouse
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 i'm where i've always been... 
#15802227 - 02/13/12 08:59 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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entrenched in a valley between intent and deed.
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 Icelander
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swell
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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curious mouse
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: Icelander]
#15802318 - 02/13/12 09:27 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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i'm actually pretty disturbed by it.
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Icelander
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I know but you better get used to it. Acceptance is great pain medication
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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curious mouse
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: Icelander]
#15802455 - 02/13/12 10:13 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Can one not accept something but still be unhappy with that acceptance?
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BlueCoyote
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Of course. Only if you accept that something is going on you can do a change about it 
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curious mouse
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#15802776 - 02/13/12 11:43 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Actually I would only think recognition would be necessary.
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BlueCoyote
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Yah, but you also can recognize some fantasy notion about it as a possibility.
By accepting it, you recognize its reality as a present fact, not as a speculation.
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Icelander
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Quote:
curious mouse said:
Can one not accept something but still be unhappy with that acceptance?
You bet you can. You must.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Panoramix
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Is it a valley or a half-pipe? Perhaps if you went up far enough towards intent you could gather the momentum you need to scale across and up to deed? Taking some time to dwell on your intentions can sometimes be just the thing you need. The thing won't happen on its' own, and preparation always pays off.
Mind you, some things do happen on their own. In which case, you're all set.
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Sleepwalker
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: Panoramix]
#15805940 - 02/13/12 09:18 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
Panoramix said:
Is it a valley or a half-pipe? Perhaps if you went up far enough towards intent you could gather the momentum you need to scale across and up to deed? Taking some time to dwell on your intentions can sometimes be just the thing you need. The thing won't happen on its' own, and preparation always pays off.
Mind you, some things do happen on their own. In which case, you're all set.
I like spacial, geometric analogies.
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redgreenvines
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I would say you should expect a good measure of unsatisfactoriness,
but if you do expect it, you can have a pretty good time with plenty of wow! times along the way too.
even this between thing you speak of is something of interest to watch
the sense of it will ebb and flow
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Icelander
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why are you always such a downer?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Breadnbutterfly86
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: Icelander]
#15810466 - 02/14/12 07:51 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Acceptance is what it always leads back to. If you're not accepting NOW then you are either in denial or manipulating your way around accepting, which will eventually bite you in the ass even worse. ACCEPTANCE
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Diploid
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unsatisfactoriness
I don't think that's a real word. 
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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curious mouse
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: Panoramix]
#15811334 - 02/14/12 10:36 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
Panoramix said:
Is it a valley or a half-pipe? Perhaps if you went up far enough towards intent you could gather the momentum you need to scale across and up to deed? Taking some time to dwell on your intentions can sometimes be just the thing you need. The thing won't happen on its' own, and preparation always pays off.
Mind you, some things do happen on their own. In which case, you're all set.
The half-pipe is so large I don't have the stamina to build up momentum to reach the ledge so I can propel myself from side to side.
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curious mouse
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
something of interest to watch
i'm tired of watching. i want to solidify. cease the incestuous questions, and act.
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curious mouse
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Quote:
Breadnbutterfly86 said:
Acceptance is what it always leads back to. If you're not accepting NOW then you are either in denial or manipulating your way around accepting, which will eventually bite you in the ass even worse. ACCEPTANCE
What does acceptance entail?
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curious mouse
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Re: i'm where i've always been... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#15811374 - 02/14/12 10:45 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
BlueCoyote said:
Yah, but you also can recognize some fantasy notion about it as a possibility.
By accepting it, you recognize its reality as a present fact, not as a speculation.
can you be a little more explicit and overt? i'm high and having trouble getting at what you are trying to say.
something about acceptance relates to the brevity to which you fully understand and are capable of responding to?
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Breadnbutterfly86
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eh, i bet when most people get that momentum and get to one side... they have nowhere to go besides back down and to the other side anyways.... its more like sitting on a wall that people build themselves... you have to balance on top and prevent yourself from falling one direction or the other. unless the grass is greener on one side? but maybe your analogy could be used with two half pipes connected... stay in the middle, just on top, not necessarily in a valley. maintain balance...
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