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 tokinman21
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 Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15810722 - 02/14/12 08:35 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I would never claim myself a shaman or anything of the sorts though.
Shamanism is just a branch of spiritual practices. 
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: tokinman21]
#15810804 - 02/14/12 08:48 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yes anyone can practice shamanism I agree, but in many of the south American shamanistic beliefs one who claims shaman is most likely not because this statement suggests one has not learned humility. People will call them what they will. The wounded healer knows the plants are doing the healing therefore will not take any credit himself. He or she has ultimate respect for the plant teachers and ultimate gratitude. To claim shaman is disrespectful to el plantas.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15811993 - 02/15/12 02:16 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Im using them to communicate with spirits and do use them in a ritual way only. I need to learn more of course, the possibilitys are just 
What kind of dieta do you use for the shrooms?
Im heading for the amazon soon to do some serious work again, and would like to diet the shrooms there so that I get to know them better 
thanks
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: rikuni]
#15813033 - 02/15/12 10:09 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Go on the regular diete but incorporate a very small non psychoactive amount of the chosen teacher plant into your daily diet. This will help you get to know the spirit. In my opinion the most effective diete is 1 month long. If you decide to go longer than know it will tax your body, mind, and spirit heavily. The longest diete I have done was 3 months. It was the hardest one I have ever done. I was taught the lessons, but it was hard for me to integrate so I may have to try it again.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: rikuni]
#15813154 - 02/15/12 10:31 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I started out that way for me really nust use for spirtual healing. I think of it as like a great tool for insight meditation and understanding of oneself and universal exploratiom...
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If I run full blast, I'll never get tired and If I slow down I get stuck, so I opened my mind and let the wild things in and there not going away but getting stronger, day by day, I will find the source of all things it's only a matter of time and I will be one with the universe once again my friends...I will never find the end but the start of a new begining...-J.R.S.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15813273 - 02/15/12 11:04 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Go on the regular diete but incorporate a very small non psychoactive amount of the chosen teacher plant into your daily diet. This will help you get to know the spirit. In my opinion the most effective diete is 1 month long. If you decide to go longer than know it will tax your body, mind, and spirit heavily. The longest diete I have done was 3 months. It was the hardest one I have ever done. I was taught the lessons, but it was hard for me to integrate so I may have to try it again.
yes thats my plan too. Well Ive got time but I want to diet a few other plants too, it should be possible to do a month with shrooms Are they available there anyways ?
I did 2 months once and yes its a hard challenge but also very rewarding if you make it. I try to do at least 3 months with different plants but lets see 
It was only here that I discovered that these shrooms can connect one very good too if used properly of course
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: rikuni]
#15813564 - 02/15/12 12:18 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I had this trip on which I sort of "asked the trip" to give me a fellow tripper's bad trip since I thought I'd be able to handle it better (i.e. not being so verbal of it as to ruin everyone else's trip). I'm surprised to say it worked instantly.
My friend was laying on the bed at that time, trying as hard as he could to cope with the bad feelings, evil visions, nausea and so on. A third friend was laying on the couch. When I went to the room and "asked the trip" in my head to give me my friend's bad trip, the air in the room changed (the couch-friend immediately noticed it and notified everyone). The other friend got up from the bed with a huge smile on his face, saying "the trip came back, but it's really good now!". I started having nausea, and soon evil visions (demons etc) surfaced. I spent the rest of the trip in the bathroom fighting the urge to puke - until;
At some point I noticed I could put music on from my phone. I put on Shulman's Retroscape, and got a smile on my face that didn't leave for the rest of the trip. Eventually the visions started to subside and I heard an auditive hallucination saying "take care of yourself". After that the trip was good, but already coming down.
Before this (i.e. coming up) I had the best of trips, felt like a buddha, just laughing at everything and all in all very clear-headed and amused. It changed almost immediately after I did the "asking".
Shamanic or placebo (or both), wouldn't know. Seemed pretty convincing at that time. Prolly wouldn't do it again though, it was pretty horrible.
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Oh yeah, the friend that was having the bad trip ended up having a really good time. It was almost like he was on ecstasy. Hugging everyone and smiling non-stop.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Qualophile]
#15813641 - 02/15/12 12:44 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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nice experience
But sounds like the space wasnt protected and noone was holding the space. What you did is possible and good but one should not allow these other spirits to come in the first place
It is not a simple task to do this for many hours.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: rikuni]
#15815159 - 02/15/12 06:00 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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As far as mushrooms being available there. I'm sure they are, but probably illegal and probably just as hard to find as going to another unknown area and trying to find mushrooms. In other words It will be a challenging but possible. Now what exactly is holding the space? Is it when one requests the help of spirits to keep the area clean and pure of malignant spirits? I'm not sure I have never heard of this terminology.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15817133 - 02/16/12 02:25 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Now what exactly is holding the space? Is it when one requests the help of spirits to keep the area clean and pure of malignant spirits? I'm not sure I have never heard of this terminology.
its a ritual and sacred space and that is of course clean of these other spirits. It means also to be aware and centered all the time.
Of course theres also the connection to the spirit world established in this space.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: rikuni]
#15817773 - 02/16/12 08:12 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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hope you find what your looking for in the Amazon , i think at some point in life we all wonder what the fuck is the point of this world , why are we here and how did we get here ?
where are we going and how long will it take to get there if we dont have a clue where there is to start with . i dont care about the answers to any of these questions anymore but i will take shrooms and smoke a bit weed along the way to make things more interesting .
live for today as yesterdays gone and tomorrows just a day away.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: mandrax360]
#15818088 - 02/16/12 09:37 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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There is no such thing as spirits... Shamanism is the most primitive of religions. Trips led to gods, and the loss of the source of the gods themselves led to the traditional religions. When I take a psychedelic I am communing with parts of my brain that aren't normally active, leading to the illusion of a greater picture that I am a part of, nothing more. The use of psychedelics for shamanic purposes is thus nothing more than a self delusion.
I am a psychonaut and nothing more. However that does not mean that psychedelics cannot improve a persons life.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: BobFromReboot]
#15818123 - 02/16/12 09:45 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Well that's just like, your opinion man.  I have seen spirits not tripping. Besides who is to say they are not real even if they do come from your mind. Remember your projecting this illusion. Reality is not something out there it's inside you. Haha no such things as spirit.
We get one of these naysayers in every thread like this.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15818135 - 02/16/12 09:49 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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You just admit that they are all in your head. Maybe if everybody saw the same spirits as each other you would have a case. Alas they do not. Do a little bit of research on the mind. Sure it creates reality. It creates the reality of a Christian, just the same way that it creates the reality of a schizophrenic person, and an atheist. Does that mean they are all right? Of course not, because subjective reality is not the same things as consensus reality.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: BobFromReboot]
#15818145 - 02/16/12 09:51 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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By the way I think you misunderstand what most psychs do. Psilocin actually deactivated parts of your brain. The parts responsible for filtering. It doesn't put your brain on overdrive. It's allows you to see what the world really is as it is.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15818151 - 02/16/12 09:52 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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No it doesn't. If that we're true everybody would see the same thing on drugs.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: BobFromReboot]
#15818168 - 02/16/12 09:57 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I'm telling you it doesn't matter if it is in your head, it doesnt make it less real is what I'm telling you. Oh and many people do see the same spirits and spirits worlds. My buddies and I have been attacked by these things. They exist man. No way of convincing me otherwise. I have enough proof for myself.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: BobFromReboot]
#15818177 - 02/16/12 09:58 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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People see the same things on drugs all the time. Yes psilocybin according to a recent study shuts down filter points. Do some research before you tell me I'm wrong.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: BobFromReboot]
#15818197 - 02/16/12 10:03 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Any way I don't see much point in going back and forth. Obviously your set in your beliefs and I'm set in mine it's our right to do so. We both used psychedelic but with diferent motives therefore our opinions differ greatly. Always appreciate the thought though.
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Re: Anyone here using mushrooms in shamanic way ? [Re: Cactilove]
#15818205 - 02/16/12 10:04 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Anecdotal evidence of a drug trip is not proof for anything buddy. Big deal if it shuts off filter points. All it means is your brain is functioning differently, leading to extreme suggestibility, feelings of meaning. Do you truly think that our brain just magically sees spirits then evolved to shut them out? Why can't instruments of science detect these spirits? If our brain takes effort NOT to see them, why the fuck would it be so hard for an instrument designed for just that exist?
You are basing your argument on ONE study to validate your delusions.
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