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Heard a couple of news reports, its starting to go up, expecting +$4.00 a gallon in the US by memorial day.... At least the fucking sage lizard and spotted owl will be safe. But get ready to open up your wallets and feel like you.ve been fucked up the ass by an elephant.
BOHICA.....
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 Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
#15807826 - 02/14/12 10:29 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Try 5.00....
This was common knowledge, especially with Iran, europe and our situation that is far far from over
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A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15807839 - 02/14/12 10:32 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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It only gets worse from here...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Ollo]
#15807849 - 02/14/12 10:34 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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People who think that 2008 was it... is ignorant
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
#15807869 - 02/14/12 10:40 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I think we won't see cheap gas ever again, what really grinds my gears here is how much food prices will climb(they're already brutal enough as it is).
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill] 2
#15807871 - 02/14/12 10:40 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Shill said:
People who think that 2008 was it... is ignorant
I agree. We are lucky to have it so cheap. Never in human history has energy been so cheap.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15807874 - 02/14/12 10:41 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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People who think that 2008 was it... is ignorant
fuck your telling me, I was delivering
pizza in 2008 and had to quit
because the cost 3.75 gallon
i was loosing money!!
thank fucking goodness i am out of the
driving business, or atleast the kind
where you have to pay for your own gas..
It is election year though, they usually fuck us
right up to around election time then give us a 30 cent break
hurrray for the next POTUS
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15807880 - 02/14/12 10:42 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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A few months ago gas around here went down to $2.95. I just got home a bit ago and saw an average of $3.48 for regular.
Ugh, at least we don't live in the UK. We're bitching about gas prices that are less than 1/3 of what they pay. But the US is a much more spread out country, which requires more driving.
I have a 32 gallon tank in my Bronco that gets 10mpg. Recently got a DUI and restricted license and ignition interlock. Who knew getting a fucking DUI would require so much driving.
I need to get an old Civic or something. The gas I spent last week was on par with a fucking new car payment.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15807886 - 02/14/12 10:43 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Right now where I live it would work out to about $4.50 a gallon, I don't own a car though. It does impact prices for everything else though I'm sure.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
#15807893 - 02/14/12 10:46 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Well of course, gas prices affects everything from manufacture, distribution and other thangz
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15807917 - 02/14/12 10:54 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I guess that stuff is most directly afected by diesel prices, not that they don't follow basically the same trends. I think about 30 cents a liter here is tax so it would work out to something like $3.40/ gallon without that.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15807924 - 02/14/12 10:54 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Shill said:
Well of course, gas prices affects everything from manufacture, distribution and other thangz
Diesel prices mostly, not gas.
Diesel around here has stayed relatively low compared to the recent 50 cent increase in gas in the past few weeks.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie] 1
#15807932 - 02/14/12 10:58 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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Shill said:
People who think that 2008 was it... is ignorant
I agree. We are lucky to have it so cheap. Never in human history has energy been so cheap.
Really, oil was under $25 per barrel 12 years ago, now at $100, and we are lucky? Interesting way to look at it.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: qman]
#15807937 - 02/14/12 11:00 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Yep. I would consider that a minor fluctuation compared to historic prices man has paid for a joule of energy. We were real lucky then, and are still luck now. Maybe Im just a hopeless optimist huh? 
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: WakeboardrB] 1
#15807947 - 02/14/12 11:03 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Wait till the USD is removed from the world currency exchange standard for crude. Alls need be is a major catastrophic natural event like an earthquake on the new Madrid fault to topple all confidence in the American economy and grind to a hault the economic progression of the world. Then, good luck getting gas for any less than the hymen of your youngest daughter. Wouldn't be a bad idea to prepare for something as such. The seismic calander is 200 years and the madrid fault would crush the heartland of this country.
But 4-5 bucks a gallon is still cheaper than the 15-18 equivilent in Europe or japan.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Samurai_Jim]
#15807957 - 02/14/12 11:05 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Then again, we pay over 1.85 a gallon in federal/state taxes
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Samurai_Jim]
#15808020 - 02/14/12 11:23 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Then again, we pay over 1.85 a gallon in federal/state taxes
That is not correct, we pay an average of .47 cents per gallon in state and federal taxes, the federal tax is .18 and the states vary, but the total average is .47.
Also, European gasoline prices are $7-9 per gallon, with heavy tax helping the price move higher.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: qman]
#15808044 - 02/14/12 11:32 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Also most countries in Europe don't have colonies in the middle east, so we don't get the awesome discounts you get on crude oil.
Not that I care, I don't drive. If anything, it should be higher. Why not 2€ per liter? That would piss off the car owners for sure.
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Europe does get raped in prices that is for sure
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15808079 - 02/14/12 11:44 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah but i would imagine there's more factors than just "awesome discounts". I mean Europe (or at least England) has such developed transport that to a point, (at least from my perspective) driving your own car is generally more of a preference than a necessity. So gasoline gets labeled as a good for people of higher incomes in those countries and is more expensive.
Although, if anyone can poke holes in that i won't argue it. Just speculation from what little i know about england/economics.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill] 1
#15808083 - 02/14/12 11:46 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Well, we keep messing around in deserts, spilling oil in the oceans, and refuse to drive fuel efficient cars, so we're lucky there's any gas at all.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: lazyfingers] 1
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Well, we keep messing around in deserts, spilling oil in the oceans, and refuse to drive fuel efficient cars, so we're lucky there's any gas at all.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: WakeboardrB]
#15808290 - 02/14/12 12:52 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Buy a bike.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
#15808398 - 02/14/12 01:17 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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starfire_xes said:
Heard a couple of news reports, its starting to go up, expecting +$4.00 a gallon in the US by memorial day.... At least the fucking sage lizard and spotted owl will be safe. But get ready to open up your wallets and feel like you.ve been fucked up the ass by an elephant.
BOHICA.....
The real question is.
When is Memorial day?
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Also most countries in Europe don't have colonies in the middle east, so we don't get the awesome discounts you get on crude oil.
Not that I care, I don't drive. If anything, it should be higher. Why not 2€ per liter? That would piss off the car owners for sure.
Oil is a world traded commodity, there are no "discounts", oil is purchased with the underlying currency. Oil is priced in US dollars. If the Euro gains strength, the oil price comes down for Europeans.
When governments in the western world print trillions of notes, commodities like oil go up in price. Euro gasoline is higher because of the taxes.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Samurai_Jim]
#15808590 - 02/14/12 02:06 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Then again, we pay over 1.85 a gallon in federal/state taxes
with at least of 4 new fuel/road taxes placed by a democrat controlled
congress in the first 2 years. oil prices under bush were in the $150/bbl
range, under obama it's under $100/bbl. there's no reason we should be
paying more than $1.60/gal for fuel. Obama has kept us consistently above
$3/gallon from the $1.50/gal bush left us with
this has nothing to do with Iran, we dont get oil from Iran, Libya or
Iraq, we're an oil producing nation that's exporting oil and importing oil
for our use... why?
Cap&Trade didnt pass so they've instituted other energy taxes
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: qman]
#15808677 - 02/14/12 02:27 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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qman said:
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Samurai_Jim said:
Then again, we pay over 1.85 a gallon in federal/state taxes
That is not correct, we pay an average of .47 cents per gallon in state and federal taxes, the federal tax is .18 and the states vary, but the total average is .47.
Also, European gasoline prices are $7-9 per gallon, with heavy tax helping the price move higher.
Oil had crashed from $145 down to $35 per barrel at the end of Bush's reign (2008) as the global financial markets went into meltdown mode. That lower price had nothing to do with Bush.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: qman]
#15808794 - 02/14/12 03:01 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Oil is a world traded commodity, there are no "discounts"
bullshit
the US buy's oil at $98/bbl. china is buying at $5/bbl
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/china-resold-5-a-barrel-venezuelan-oil-at-a-profit
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: qman]
#15808849 - 02/14/12 03:12 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Oil had crashed from $145 down to $35 per barrel at the end of Bush's reign (2008)as the global financial markets went into meltdown mode. That lower price had nothing to do with Bush.
wasnt because of some meltdown, it was because bush lifted the moratorium on
drilling off the shelf and released 60 million barrels from the reserves
http://www.nyse.tv/crude-oil-price-history.htm
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15808994 - 02/14/12 03:31 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I thought the price of gas in europe was because they tax gas out the ass to help maintain the socialist nanny state?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
#15809091 - 02/14/12 03:51 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Correct, the Union of European Socialist Republics has put a 200% tax on gasoline. And we don't even have guns to slay our tyrants with! 
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15809138 - 02/14/12 04:00 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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the US buy's oil at $98/bbl. china is buying at $5/bbl
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/china-resold-5-a-barrel-venezuelan-oil-at-a-profit
That link doesn't really say anything on whether China "is buying" oil at that price, the article was from 2010 and they say that was the price "on a couple of deals". Interesting though, I wonder what they pay on average.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
#15809164 - 02/14/12 04:05 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Gas is still 2.97 here. Sucks for you guys.
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3.66
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15809180 - 02/14/12 04:08 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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And at 3.66 a gallon I still have no problem living better than 70% of the Americans
If not more
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
- William Blake
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15809190 - 02/14/12 04:09 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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$3.29 here
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
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psi said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
the US buy's oil at $98/bbl. china is buying at $5/bbl
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/china-resold-5-a-barrel-venezuelan-oil-at-a-profit
That link doesn't really say anything on whether China "is buying" oil at that price, the article was from 2010 and they say that was the price "on a couple of deals". Interesting though, I wonder what they pay on average.
Sure, maybe there are a few deals out there, but what did China do? They sold the oil. For the most, the price of oil is what most pay. If not, they will sell it to someone else and make the difference.
Oil is a world commodity, no one is giving this stuff anyway without getting something back in return, which is full price.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15809239 - 02/14/12 04:16 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Samurai_Jim said:
Then again, we pay over 1.85 a gallon in federal/state taxes
with at least of 4 new fuel/road taxes placed by a democrat controlled
congress in the first 2 years. oil prices under bush were in the $150/bbl
range, under obama it's under $100/bbl. there's no reason we should be
paying more than $1.60/gal for fuel. Obama has kept us consistently above
$3/gallon from the $1.50/gal bush left us with
I seem to recall Bush leaving us with around $3/gal and at times prices were over $4.50.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: WakeboardrB]
#15809249 - 02/14/12 04:17 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I'd vote for bush again
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
"You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind blows it back again."
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15809370 - 02/14/12 04:39 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Buying a motorcycle.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: meams]
#15809488 - 02/14/12 04:59 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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President's have little to no impact on gas prices. Gasoline prices in the US are primarily a result of two things: 1 ) Market Prospecting 2) Refining Percentages (percentage of each product from barrel of petrol).
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: WakeboardrB]
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Quote:
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Then again, we pay over 1.85 a gallon in federal/state taxes
with at least of 4 new fuel/road taxes placed by a democrat controlled
congress in the first 2 years. oil prices under bush were in the $150/bbl
range, under obama it's under $100/bbl. there's no reason we should be
paying more than $1.60/gal for fuel. Obama has kept us consistently above
$3/gallon from the $1.50/gal bush left us with
I seem to recall Bush leaving us with around $3/gal and at times prices were over $4.50.
katrina hit the gulf and took down a refinery and several pipelines, did a
lot of damage to several other refineries as well, gas was in short supply
and fuel prices were outrageous because of it but in this area the fuel
prices hit $4 and within a year were back under $3, several months before
bush left office gas prices dropped back to $1.50/gal
keep in mind that when bush took office gas was $.85/gal, by 11/2001 gas
nearly doubled in price and remained in the $1.50 range for some time
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Shill]
#15809541 - 02/14/12 05:07 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I'd vote for bush again
I never voted for bush, hated the fucker... didnt vote for his daddy or clintoon either
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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President's have little to no impact on gas prices.
obama signed 4 bills which hiked fuel taxes, the president certainly does
have an impact even without the tax increases. they also have an impact on
the commodities and stock markets
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Heard a couple of news reports, its starting to go up, expecting +$4.00 a gallon in the US by memorial day.... At least the fucking sage lizard and spotted owl will be safe. But get ready to open up your wallets and feel like you.ve been fucked up the ass by an elephant.
BOHICA.....
That's dumb. Petrol is just going to keep going up as the supply dwindles. We're peaking our maximum possible output while simultaneously increasing demand exponentially. What did you expect?
Environmentalism is a dollar short and a day late; still at this point talking like those measures are bad is extremely foolish. Look at all premodern societies that didn't survive: it's because they grew exponentially beyond their means, consumed the resources making that growth possible, and then ate each-other and dispersed. That's what we're going to do all over again, because history does repeat itself, except this time on top of all that will occur on a global scale when the oil runs out, and you're crying about how much it costs to use a giant machine to wheel you around.
WAKE UP. Industrial society is doomed to fail. We either implement alternatives such as Hydrogen and develop advanced thorium reactors now or modern society as we know it will collapse.
Unfortunately, the future is fairly grim. The advances we need to make are mired in pointless religious and political controversy; because so few among us have the foresight to consider what options are necessary to maintain a surviving population of seven billion individuals.
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Taxes must originate Congress, and are only signed into law by the President.
The impact on the commodities/stock market are a direct result of prospecting.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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We are increasing demand exponentially? Im not sure about that, but if so exponential growth can be slow or fast.
http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=oil&graph=consumption-growth-rate
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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Heard a couple of news reports, its starting to go up, expecting +$4.00 a gallon in the US by memorial day.... At least the fucking sage lizard and spotted owl will be safe. But get ready to open up your wallets and feel like you.ve been fucked up the ass by an elephant.
BOHICA.....
That's dumb. Petrol is just going to keep going up as the supply dwindles. We're peaking our maximum possible output while simultaneously increasing demand exponentially. What did you expect?
Environmentalism is a dollar short and a day late; still at this point talking like those measures are bad is extremely foolish. Look at all premodern societies that didn't survive: it's because they grew exponentially beyond their means, consumed the resources making that growth possible, and then ate each-other and dispersed. That's what we're going to do all over again, because history does repeat itself, except this time on top of all that will occur on a global scale when the oil runs out, and you're crying about how much it costs to use a giant machine to wheel you around.
WAKE UP. Industrial society is doomed to fail. We either implement alternatives such as Hydrogen and develop advanced thorium reactors now or modern society as we know it will collapse.
Unfortunately, the future is fairly grim. The advances we need to make are mired in pointless religious and political controversy; because so few among us have the foresight to consider what options are necessary to maintain a surviving population of seven billion individuals.
In truth, supplies of oil are not really dwindling. The larger problem is the ease of acquiring the oil deposits remaining. As you have to dig deeper to get the oil, or the oil is entrapped within formations; drilling and refining costs skyrocket very quickly.
As far as I'm aware, at no point in history have things stopped dying. As a result, there is always oil being produced. Granted, there have been historic periods that have yielded massive fossil fuel deposits (mass extinctions), but regardless, as long as stuff is dying there is oil/coal slowly being formed.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Samurai_Jim]
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Look it up. Metal Hydrides. We needed to build particle accelerators, instead we built bombs and coal plants. Not only is it viable, but it's viable using modified existing internal combustion hardware, and it solves the environmental problem to boot. Unfortunately, I am going to say that unless there's a complete 180 in awareness, public opinion, and government policy...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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whoever said our generation was lucky to see the last of cheap gasoline was right. its only going to get crazy from here. 20 years from now imagine the prices. maybe $8-9/gallon.
get a good job, and a low energy vehicle.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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What you're saying is true, that's even worse then. We don't run out of oil, we keep burning it.
The oceans acidify to where less than ~%20 of species can survive, causing massive ecological upheaval. Extinction, maybe not- cataclysm; definitely.
Claiming the amount of oil being produced could ever match our consumption belies a complete ignorance of the geologic process involved in producing oil. I might have been wrong to claim literal exponential growth, but in essence the core of my argument is true.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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Taxes must originate Congress, and are only signed into law by the President.
The impact on the commodities/stock market are a direct result of prospecting.
DINGDINGDING... we have a winnar!
Obama signs the bills, he could just as easily veto the bills which would
stop an increase and a big part of why Obama's 'recovery' isnt working is
those fuel taxes. we feel it because not only are trucking and freight
affected and passed to us we also have new energy surcharges we contend
with and again, they're passed on to us. the pound of cheese that used to
cost $2 is now $4.50 because it costs more to ship and it costs more to
store and produce. everything requires energy and energy price is heavily
dependent on oil pricing
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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whoever said our generation was lucky to see the last of cheap gasoline was right. its only going to get crazy from here. 20 years from now imagine the prices. maybe $8-9/gallon.
get a good job, and a low energy vehicle.
The real question is, why are we using an inefficient fuel to begin with? Solid fuels are a much better choice. The issue being that, those who made it big when oil was cheap to acquire have insured public policy helps them stay in their positions of wealth. They have also bought out competitive products to prevent their fall from grace.
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Look it up. Metal Hydrides. We needed to build particle accelerators, instead we built bombs and coal plants. Not only is it viable, but it's viable using modified existing internal combustion hardware, and it solves the environmental problem to boot. Unfortunately, I am going to say that unless there's a complete 180 in awareness, public opinion, and government policy...
No disagreements here, but most metal hydrides of viable usefulness require precious metals that aren't cheap, and the production of the hydride isn't cheap either... If you're gonna utilize hydrogen, I would argue that the more logical method of doing it is intercrystalline/interlattice entrapment...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: mick]
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mick said:
whoever said our generation was lucky to see the last of cheap gasoline was right. its only going to get crazy from here. 20 years from now imagine the prices. maybe $8-9/gallon.
get a good job, and a low energy vehicle.
Obama has already predicted we'd see $8/gal due to Iran
yet we dont import iranian oil
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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The real question is, why are we using an inefficient fuel to begin with? Solid fuels are a much better choice.
which vehicles on the roads run on solid fuels?
how many power plants are outfitted for solid fuels that arent fossil fuels
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The real question is, why are we using an inefficient fuel to begin with? Solid fuels are a much better choice.
which vehicles on the roads run on solid fuels?
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The real question is, why are we using an inefficient fuel to begin with? Solid fuels are a much better choice.
which vehicles on the roads run on solid fuels?
how many power plants are outfitted for solid fuels that arent fossil fuels
Sadly none of them. Coal isn't that great of a solid fuel source either. Rocket scientists/mechanical engineers have studied efficiency of various fuels for ages. There is a reason that vehicles that need highly efficient fuels for the premise of energy production and weight reduction don't typically use hydrocarbons...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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great, now we run steam powered cars and cut down the forests even faster
hippies are gonna love you
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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great, now we run steam powered cars and cut down the forests even faster
hippies are gonna love you
Why are we running steam powered cars? The heat capacity of water makes that method rather impractical...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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I was under the impression crystalline entrapment approaches to storing hydrogen suffered from not being dense enough, not being safe enough, and the same rare-earth mineral barrier for stuff like silicon. I'll have to read more about those methods, that's very interesting.
I would also argue that the "successful" species in the universe probably didn't waste almost all their rare earth minerals on iPods and fancy vibrators. Though, at this point I find it an interesting philosophical game: is there "successful" higher-sentient life in the universe, operating in a long-term fully sustainable low-impact manner? A race so organized they're busy building generation/seed/colony ships in anticipation of their solar star's death? Or does the learning curve beget that you end up destroying everything just before you can appreciate the gravity of waste your species is causing?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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which vehicles on the roads run on solid fuels?
There you go, no trees burned.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
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There you go, no trees burned.
Just chopped down to grow feed and build roads!
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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I was under the impression crystalline entrapment approaches to storing hydrogen suffered from not being dense enough, not being safe enough, and the same rare-earth mineral barrier for stuff like silicon. I'll have to read more about those methods, that's very interesting.
I would also argue that the "successful" species in the universe probably didn't waste almost all their rare earth minerals on iPods and fancy vibrators. Though, at this point I find it an interesting philosophical game: is there "successful" higher-sentient life in the universe, operating in a long-term fully sustainable low-impact manner? A race so organized they're busy building generation/seed/colony ships in anticipation of their solar star's death? Or does the learning curve beget that you end up destroying everything just before you can appreciate the gravity of waste your species is causing?
I believe the answer to your question lies in the level of impact that science plays on other possible lifeforms that may exist in the universe. I would argue that our biggest problem is resistance to scientific knowledge for various reasons (policy, personal beliefs, ease, etc.)...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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The biggest problem is the size of the population. Very few people can understand the need to change technologies. Personally I feel the weather is different and the air is hard to breathe.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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We are destroying everything? Let's see scientific data? Or are you just parrotting letists green bullshit?
Van Jones, former administrator in the Obama administration:
(He is a self proclaimed communist)
"The color of communism is no longer red. It is green."
Is the point of the green movement really to save the earth? Or give a boost to a socialistic agenda?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
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We are destroying everything? Let's see scientific data? Or are you just parrotting letists green bullshit?
Van Jones, former administrator in the Obama administration:
(He is a self proclaimed communist)
"The color of communism is no longer red. It is green."
Is the point of the green movement really to save the earth? Or give a boost to a socialistic agenda?
I hope that question is a joke... Do you understand the actual concept of socialism/communism? Cause, as used by FOX News, they are almost never used as per their actual definitions...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
We are destroying everything? Let's see scientific data? Or are you just parrotting letists green bullshit?
Van Jones, former administrator in the Obama administration:
(He is a self proclaimed communist)
"The color of communism is no longer red. It is green."
Is the point of the green movement really to save the earth? Or give a boost to a socialistic agenda?
Yes I'll just explain something with two dozen complex facets in a forum post and I'm totally qualified to appropriately represent that.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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Im just telling you what a self proclaimed communist said....
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which vehicles on the roads run on solid fuels?
There you go, no trees burned.
coal required for shaping horse shoes
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Im just telling you what a self proclaimed communist said....
Gotta love all those self-proclaimed communists. The majority of those that I have met haven't even ever read communist philosophy 
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
"The color of communism is no longer red. It is green."
Is the point of the green movement really to save the earth? Or give a boost to a socialistic agenda?
the point is money, money is green and there's fuckloads of green to be made in green
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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There you go, no trees burned.
Just chopped down to grow feed and build roads!
Not to mention the wood used to make the cart. Que sera sera.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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Well, Van Jones is a member of the US communist party....Obama's former 'Green' czar. And ill agree Obama is not a communist. He fits this definition:
"a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
Fits Obama Well, do you know what it is called? Bush was one too.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
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right because sustainable living methods more immediately profitable than big oil right
right nobody is lobbying for oil
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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right to your opinion bro. Myself, I choose freewill.
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right because sustainable living methods more immediately profitable than big oil right
right nobody is lobbying for oil
this.
i'm sorry that some of us desire a more sustainable society. progress isn't all bad, guys.
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right to your opinion bro. Myself, I choose freewill.
please.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: wildchild68]
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-look at how many people support oil and how many support limiting it. I think you will find a minority (~30%) By the way, how dirty is the air today, compared to 1970. What's the reason?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: wildchild68]
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right because sustainable living methods more immediately profitable than big oil right
right nobody is lobbying for oil
this.
i'm sorry that some of us desire a more sustainable society. progress isn't all bad, guys.
'sustainability'' will not be accomplished in our lifetimes and certainly cant be accomplished through legislation
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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right because sustainable living methods more immediately profitable than big oil right
right nobody is lobbying for oil
this.
i'm sorry that some of us desire a more sustainable society. progress isn't all bad, guys.
'sustainability'' will not be accomplished in our lifetimes and certainly cant be accomplished through legislation
^^ This.
Congress is bought and sold, not a constituency support as their designed to be. Further, like medical marijuana, states and the federal government bicker to no end about what the regulations should be...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1] 6
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You people really do not understand the basis of chemistry to the point of it being depressing.
We can't just keep dumping CO2 into the atmosphere and ocean. Well, we're going to. I guess I should say we shouldn't. Unfortunately, nobody is going to stop us, and everyone thinks we can have our cake an eat it too.
I've said to before and I'll say it again:
There will be a threshold of drastic change when the northern ocean ice is no longer present. The big change will be that when you hit the low point suddenly a huge mirror in effect stops reflecting that energy back out into space, and the water heats rapidly from there, damning the ice cycle from returning. That wouldn't be a problem, except it will cause global oceanic circulation to change dramatically; in turn that causes dramatic climate change.
Up until the threshold everyone will be all HURR DURR PROVE IT BUTT HURR; and then suddenly there will be arid deserts where there weren't before and the whole human race will have egg on it's face, scrambling to fight over whatever regions become most livable.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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it makes absolutely no sense why gas is so expensive, besides the obvious manipulation.
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starfire_xes said:) By the way, how dirty is the air today, compared to 1970. What's the reason?
The reason was industrial pollutants of one kind or another, Jimmy Carter and Nixon I believe were both big on the environment.
Also leaded petroleum used to be the norm, now all Western nations fit catalytic convertors to their cars.
The reason pollution isn't worse than it is: laws and clean air acts etc. (and it's horrific in places all over the world).
It boggles my mind that some people think they are entitled to lumber around the planet in vehicles, I remember neighbours in America DRIVING TO A BLOCK PARTY. As in they would drive LESS THAN A BLOCK to go eat BBQ..
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you are correct. it was mostly the catalytic convertor.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: starfire_xes]
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i miss the .99 a gallon days... fucking 20 bucks would get you a full tank. yesterday i dropped 53.00 into the tank! FACK!!!!
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We're gonna have to adapt if we expect to survive.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: egodeathflux]
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egodeathflux said:
I remember neighbours in America DRIVING TO A BLOCK PARTY. As in they would drive LESS THAN A BLOCK to go eat BBQ..
That kind of thing is why I'm a bit skeptical when people say gas is too expensive already. When it's really expensive, a lot fewer people will be able afford to drive around in big cars with no passengers. That doesn't seem like the situation in North America today, even if gas used to be much cheaper.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
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psi said:
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egodeathflux said:
I remember neighbours in America DRIVING TO A BLOCK PARTY. As in they would drive LESS THAN A BLOCK to go eat BBQ..
That kind of thing is why I'm a bit skeptical when people say gas is too expensive already.
I agree! Gas is cheap as fuck. I know people that commute 20 or 30 miles EVERY DAY! Crazy, and only sustainable with our super cheap gasoline.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
You people really do not understand the basis of chemistry to the point of it being depressing.
We can't just keep dumping CO2 into the atmosphere and ocean. Well, we're going to. I guess I should say we shouldn't. Unfortunately, nobody is going to stop us, and everyone thinks we can have our cake an eat it too.
I've said to before and I'll say it again:
There will be a threshold of drastic change when the northern ocean ice is no longer present. The big change will be that when you hit the low point suddenly a huge mirror in effect stops reflecting that energy back out into space, and the water heats rapidly from there, damning the ice cycle from returning. That wouldn't be a problem, except it will cause global oceanic circulation to change dramatically; in turn that causes dramatic climate change.
Up until the threshold everyone will be all HURR DURR PROVE IT BUTT HURR; and then suddenly there will be arid deserts where there weren't before and the whole human race will have egg on it's face, scrambling to fight over whatever regions become most livable.
I'm glad gas is going up. We're going to fucking pay for all that shit we are burning into the air. Maybe more alternative energy/electric cars will come out. People don't give a shit/don't have the intelligence to realize that we are destroying everything worth saving and beautiful. Sad but true
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I'd love to be able to buy an inexpensive golf cart type vehicle to putt around in, but the laws around here specifically don't allow them on the roads regardless of what safety features are present. The other problem is safety, a golf cart (or a bicycle or moped) can be a reasonably safe vehicle around other vehicles around the same size or pedestrians, but in practice you are sharing the road with vehicles that are orders of magnitude heavier. Also seems to be why a lot of people go for the heaviest vehicle they can afford, there's always someone bigger unless you're driving a transport. It's like an arms race on the road.
Trains seem like they should be more efficient in principle over long distances, but transport trucks are used over huge distances. I wonder if they get sort of a hidden subsidy in the form of causing more wear on the roads than they pay in taxes. Maybe someone can correct me on that though.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
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Where I grew up you could use a golf cart on the road (lots of golf courses). People did it too, they go shopping with them and use them for small quick trips.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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Do you need insurance for a golf cart in places where they are road legal? Around here you didn't need insurance for a moped until just a few years ago, but I believe in a lot of places you still don't need it.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
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I dont know. I would guess you do, since you still pose a liability by being on the road.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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Gas is super cheap. If it is too expensive for you, you really shouldn't be driving fucking gas guzzlers.
Imagine how expensive gasoline would be if the government weren't artificially keeping prices lower. Gasoline is worth much more than we are accustomed to. The government keeps gas prices in control pretty damn well actually.
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i like cow poo said:
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blujay said:
You people really do not understand the basis of chemistry to the point of it being depressing.
We can't just keep dumping CO2 into the atmosphere and ocean. Well, we're going to. I guess I should say we shouldn't. Unfortunately, nobody is going to stop us, and everyone thinks we can have our cake an eat it too.
I've said to before and I'll say it again:
There will be a threshold of drastic change when the northern ocean ice is no longer present. The big change will be that when you hit the low point suddenly a huge mirror in effect stops reflecting that energy back out into space, and the water heats rapidly from there, damning the ice cycle from returning. That wouldn't be a problem, except it will cause global oceanic circulation to change dramatically; in turn that causes dramatic climate change.
Up until the threshold everyone will be all HURR DURR PROVE IT BUTT HURR; and then suddenly there will be arid deserts where there weren't before and the whole human race will have egg on it's face, scrambling to fight over whatever regions become most livable.
I'm glad gas is going up. We're going to fucking pay for all that shit we are burning into the air. Maybe more alternative energy/electric cars will come out. People don't give a shit/don't have the intelligence to realize that we are destroying everything worth saving and beautiful. Sad but true
Current battery technologies make electric/hybrid cars as environmentally detrimental of more... Mining practices, processing, shipping across oceans for various stages, and you're primarily charging them off of coal in the US... The optimal solution would be weight reducing materials for vehicles (which necessitates people learning how to drive much better...) and more efficient and environmentally neutral fuels. Carbon based fuels are a crutch because of how cheap they are. Complain all you want about the cost of fuels, but ask NASA how much it costs to fuel one of their rockets for a single flight...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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could you post a source. Don't you have to mine to get any type of metal?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: 420Experience]
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The optimal solution would be weight reducing materials for vehicles (which necessitates people learning how to drive much better...) and more efficient and environmentally neutral fuels.
I agree that vehicle weight is a big part of the problem, but I think it stems less from the availability of superlight materials and more from the fact that vehicles of wildly varying weight classes have to share the same roads. A light vehicle that only travels on roads shared with other light vehicles doesn't need as much extra heft to be safe.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: psi]
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"Electric and hybrid cars create more carbon emissions during their production than standard vehicles – but are still greener overall, according to a new report."
http://www.aftermarketleads.com/2011/06/electric-vehicles-have-lower-carbon-footprints-than-normal-cars.html
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Where did the silly term 'green' come from anyway - since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
Gas is super cheap. If it is too expensive for you, you really shouldn't be driving fucking gas guzzlers.
Imagine how expensive gasoline would be if the government weren't artificially keeping prices lower. Gasoline is worth much more than we are accustomed to. The government keeps gas prices in control pretty damn well actually.
what? Ive never heard that before. Care to elaborate?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: snoot]
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snoot said:
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PatrickKn said:
Gas is super cheap. If it is too expensive for you, you really shouldn't be driving fucking gas guzzlers.
Imagine how expensive gasoline would be if the government weren't artificially keeping prices lower. Gasoline is worth much more than we are accustomed to. The government keeps gas prices in control pretty damn well actually.
what? Ive never heard that before. Care to elaborate?
Whether it's tax breaks to oil companies, our extremely low taxation on oil in general, or the fact that we use military power to secure oil sources, it's pretty obvious that we use quite a bit of government interference to keep oil and gas prices lower than they would be normally.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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blujay said:
You people really do not understand the basis of chemistry to the point of it being depressing.
We can't just keep dumping CO2 into the atmosphere and ocean. Well, we're going to. I guess I should say we shouldn't. Unfortunately, nobody is going to stop us, and everyone thinks we can have our cake an eat it too.
I've said to before and I'll say it again:
There will be a threshold of drastic change when the northern ocean ice is no longer present. The big change will be that when you hit the low point suddenly a huge mirror in effect stops reflecting that energy back out into space, and the water heats rapidly from there, damning the ice cycle from returning. That wouldn't be a problem, except it will cause global oceanic circulation to change dramatically; in turn that causes dramatic climate change.
Up until the threshold everyone will be all HURR DURR PROVE IT BUTT HURR; and then suddenly there will be arid deserts where there weren't before and the whole human race will have egg on it's face, scrambling to fight over whatever regions become most livable.
holy fuck... you're a TrueBeliever® in Anthropogenic Climate Change©
how about this, the earth's temps have been warming and cooling for more
than a million years, if the icecaps melt then wouldnt the world flood as
opposed to becoming a desert? wouldnt increased ocean surface allow for
more plankton, a carbon sink, to suck up the CO2 and produce more oxygen
so... is the earth warming? certainly but really there's fuckall that man
can do about it because it's a natural cycle and in the last 500 years the
temps have increased less than 2 degrees
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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we alls gonna die, eventually...
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If instead the material flows when stressed, rearranges itself in such a way as to remove the stress, it's a liquid. . . .
We're gonna have to adapt if we expect to survive.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Poor Boy]
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Prisoner is right.
Although, its all estimated before 1800 or something when they actually began compiling and documenting these things. But that's obvious
My climate change teacher was leaning more towards the obvious, a natural cycle just as pris said.
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A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The billions of gallons of gasoline we burn has to have some environmental impact. More Co2=warmer climate. Just like there was a shitton of co2 back in the Jurassic period which is why it was so warm
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i like cow poo said:
"Electric and hybrid cars create more carbon emissions during their production than standard vehicles – but are still greener overall, according to a new report."
http://www.aftermarketleads.com/2011/06/electric-vehicles-have-lower-carbon-footprints-than-normal-cars.html
finally someone looks at the production stage, why havent they look at the
end of life, all those batteries can only be re-manufactured just many times
before they're headed to landfills, why havent the looked into the collisions
involving these electrics, you know, why shouldnt we burn or puncture
batteries... the toxic chemicals aspect
really now, are they any greener?
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The billions of gallons of gasoline we burn has to have some environmental impact. More Co2=warmer climate. Just like there was a shitton of co2 back in the Jurassic period which is why it was so warm
and we see what happened then, the dinosaurs were cruising the strip in their
gas guzzling automobiles one day and the next they were gone to make way for
new more intelligent life... people need to embrace change... and extinction
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I guess we should just say fuck it, give up on the advancement of technology and keep burning oil till we run out and our skies are filled with black smog
Yeah I don't know if I even care if humans become extinct anymore
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I think we should keep burning oil, as it gets more expensive new technologies will develop. The temperature may rise, the current extinction of megafauna will continue (as it has for the last 10k years) and life will go on.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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I think we should keep burning oil, as it gets more expensive new technologies will develop. The temperature may rise, the current extinction of megafauna will continue (as it has for the last 10k years) and life will go on.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I guess we should just say fuck it, give up on the advancement of technology and keep burning oil till we run out and our skies are filled with black smog
Yeah I don't know if I even care if humans become extinct anymore
OK, how polluted is our air compared to 1970? Scientific evidence, please....
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: twighead]
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Where did the silly term 'green' come from anyway - since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
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blujay said:
You people really do not understand the basis of chemistry to the point of it being depressing.
We can't just keep dumping CO2 into the atmosphere and ocean. Well, we're going to. I guess I should say we shouldn't. Unfortunately, nobody is going to stop us, and everyone thinks we can have our cake an eat it too.
I've said to before and I'll say it again:
There will be a threshold of drastic change when the northern ocean ice is no longer present. The big change will be that when you hit the low point suddenly a huge mirror in effect stops reflecting that energy back out into space, and the water heats rapidly from there, damning the ice cycle from returning. That wouldn't be a problem, except it will cause global oceanic circulation to change dramatically; in turn that causes dramatic climate change.
Up until the threshold everyone will be all HURR DURR PROVE IT BUTT HURR; and then suddenly there will be arid deserts where there weren't before and the whole human race will have egg on it's face, scrambling to fight over whatever regions become most livable.
holy fuck... you're a TrueBeliever® in Anthropogenic Climate Change©
how about this, the earth's temps have been warming and cooling for more
than a million years, if the icecaps melt then wouldnt the world flood as
opposed to becoming a desert? wouldnt increased ocean surface allow for
more plankton, a carbon sink, to suck up the CO2 and produce more oxygen
so... is the earth warming? certainly but really there's fuckall that man
can do about it because it's a natural cycle and in the last 500 years the
temps have increased less than 2 degrees
This doesn't warrant a reply, if you don't understand why "melting ice caps" doesn't equal "waterworld" it isn't worth explaining any further, because you obviously take your "science" from "fox news". Hint: the ice we're talking about is surface ice on the ocean, not the entire north pole. It's a (relatively) thin but important reflective surface, millions of square miles.
You do realize that the natural climate cycle is not mutually exclusive with anthropocentric models? That's like suggesting that because you can die of natural causes you can't die by blowing your brains out with a .45.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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This doesn't warrant a reply, if you don't understand why "melting ice caps" doesn't equal "waterworld" it isn't worth explaining any further
Uhh, waterworld is a fictional movie. There isnt nearly enough ice to do that to the world. Even if all of it melted, it would not be close to waterworld. I must say, the fact that you actually think this betrays a lot of ignorance.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: blujay]
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s doesn't warrant a reply, if you don't understand why "melting ice caps" doesn't equal "waterworld" it isn't worth explaining any further, because you obviously take your "science" from "fox news".
so your idea of a discussion/debate is to attack a news source that no one has even used. the image came from NASA
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/images/epica_temperature.png
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the ice we're talking about is surface ice on the ocean, not the entire north pole. It's a (relatively) thin but important reflective surface, millions of square miles.
surface ice? you mean the shit that melts and refreezes every year then
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/
http://heartland.org/policy-documents/polar-ice-caps-larger-long-term-average-noaa-satellites-show
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You do realize that the natural climate cycle is not mutually exclusive with anthropocentric models? That's like suggesting that because you can die of natural causes you can't die by blowing your brains out with a .45.
no. it's not like that at all
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: DieCommie]
#15814563 - 02/15/12 04:26 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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This doesn't warrant a reply, if you don't understand why "melting ice caps" doesn't equal "waterworld" it isn't worth explaining any further
Uhh, waterworld is a fictional movie. There isnt nearly enough ice to do that to the world. Even if all of it melted, it would not be close to waterworld. I must say, the fact that you actually think this betrays a lot of ignorance.
the story of global warming is filled with fiction as well, Al Gore claims
this is what the world should have looked like by 2007
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: MorphinTime]
#15814574 - 02/15/12 04:27 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Where did the silly term 'green' come from anyway - since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
No
What does this show? Exactly what I said?
Added carbon dioxide is more logically 'green' than what the term denotes.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: twighead]
#15814684 - 02/15/12 04:47 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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twighead said:
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Where did the silly term 'green' come from anyway - since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
No
What does this show? Exactly what I said?
Added carbon dioxide is more logically 'green' than what the term denotes.
No, it doesn't show what you said
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since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: MorphinTime]
#15814731 - 02/15/12 04:55 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Fuck yes, lets heat up the earth..
Let the caps melt there would be more land
for people to live on and the snow fucking
sucks anyways..
So driving a big gas guzzling car
is actually helping us the earth as
a whole...
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: cinic]
#15814787 - 02/15/12 05:03 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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someone please answer this question: If the arctic ice-cap melts, how much will the ocean rise?
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: cinic]
#15814800 - 02/15/12 05:05 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I blame Obumbler for the gas prices
Just fucked us on the pipeline too!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: MorphinTime]
#15814805 - 02/15/12 05:05 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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MorphinTime said:
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twighead said:
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MorphinTime said:
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twighead said:
Where did the silly term 'green' come from anyway - since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
No
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What does this show? Exactly what I said?
Added carbon dioxide is more logically 'green' than what the term denotes.
No, it doesn't show what you said
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since plants mostly intake carbon dioxide aren't the most 'green' products those that release the most Co2?
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My logic was that by releasing CO2 it increases the availability of a gas vital to green things.
It's a half serious point :P Our minds are simply flipped around.
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: joe666]
#15814829 - 02/15/12 05:09 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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I blame Obumbler for the gas prices
Just fucked us on the pipeline too!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry joe but I think I misheard you, did you just say Odrama has once
again killed jobs and economic growth as well as increased energy prices again
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Re: Gasoline is going through the roof [Re: twighead]
#15814873 - 02/15/12 05:15 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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twighead said:
My logic was that by releasing CO2 it increases the availability of a gas vital to green things.
It's a half serious point :P Our minds are simply flipped around.
My bad, I'm drunk and I thought you were saying that plants released CO2 and that we should call things that burn hydrocarbons for fuel "green" like the plants because CO2 is released. It's apparent that's not what you were saying 
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