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 sparkle
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Thanks Alan,
I aim to be a TI for everything purple...hahaha
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Bobzimmer
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http://davesgarden.com/guides/botanary/
Here's a link for an online botanical latin dictionary.
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How do you TI's remember all the names?
Only because I use them every day.
I still can not spell or pronounce them. And I never will be able to. I use spellcheck and index fungorum for that.
Haha. That's funny. I practice pronouncing them sometimes even though I don't go to any meetings or say them much in front of anybody. Helps me remember.
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I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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#15809391 - 02/14/12 04:44 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I still can not spell or pronounce them. And I never will be able to. I use spellcheck and index fungorum for that.
Haha. That's funny. I practice pronouncing them sometimes even though I don't go to any meetings or say them much in front of anybody. Helps me remember.
Pronouncing them is a lost cause. You can pronounce them in English, but when you go to any other country in the world, they will pronounce them according to their grammar rules.
In Mexico, Psathyrella becomes psataraya. Psilocybe is seeloseebay. Inocybe is eyenoeseebay.
In Italy, Pinus is penis. In Mexico it is peenoose.
When I hang out with other mycologists that don't speak english, the latin is the only thing we have in common. They say a stream of gibberish I don't understand, with the mushroom names being extremely clear. It sounds like Blah blah blah Boletus edulis blah blah Arbutus blah Quercus blah Xeromphalina tenuipies.
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Yeah, when I took Rod Tulloss' class, he had a great explanation of how botanical latin was pronounced in different regions. I usually use the vowels as is and say them as you'd say the letter.
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#15809499 - 02/14/12 05:01 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I talk to the experts in each genus and pronounce the names in the way that the authorities do.
But even after taking Mike Davis's Russula class, I am having a hard time with pronouncing it like rushula. Its ridiculous. And kind of retarded. I am not going to do it.
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Bobzimmer
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I've been saying that way for a long time. Works for me. I think Mr. M. turned me on to saying that...
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I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#15809569 - 02/14/12 05:11 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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But why would you do such a thing? It sound godawful.
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Dunno. Just goin' with the flow. I'd never correct anyone for any way they want to pronounce botanical names, so if you want to say it all lispy like, by all means...
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I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#15810112 - 02/14/12 06:40 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Haha, why did I even look? However I did find a badass name: Marasmius haematocephalus var purpureomarginatus! The purple-margined bleeding-headed Marasmius  or possibly the blood red-headed purple-margined Marasmius.
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Bobzimmer said: "I'm just a guy with a hard-on for fungi photos."
koraks said:
"Nice chanterelle. Nice girlfriend too  "
maynardjameskeenan said:
"I wish when I was growing up someone would have educated me about the respect that you need to give to something that can be so deadly and so delicious."
amilibertine said:
"Best go find whoever is out there in the wild with a purple sharpie marker coloring mushrooms. I'll bet he has what you're looking for.  "
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: Bobzimmer]
#15810177 - 02/14/12 06:54 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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pronouncing it like rushula
Kinda like species is all of a sudden being pronounced as speeshees in the orchid world although both ways are correct. Which way is it pronounced in the myco world?
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Haha, why did I even look? However I did find a badass name: Marasmius haematocephalus var purpureomarginatus! The purple-margined bleeding-headed Marasmius or possibly the blood red-headed purple-margined Marasmius.
I want to find that! And I will know what it is right away. The value of knowing Latin.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: suchen]
#15812022 - 02/15/12 02:31 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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There are several endings such as -ea, -atus, -oides, -aceus and several others that sort of just make the word an adjective. Though technically in this case it means "the color of". So Gymopilus pupuratus means the purple Gymnopilus. Cortinarius alboviolaceus means the whitish-purple Cortinarius.
In addition to that, the adjective will follow the gender of the word it is connected with (I believe this concept is called 'congruation' ?). So for example stropharia is female (most nouns ending in -a are female in Latin), so the correct form of the adjective 'cyaneus' (meaning dark blue) would be cyanea, resulting in 'stropharia cyanea' for the species name. For cortinarius (male), the correct form would be 'cyaneus', and there you have the species 'cortinarius cyaneus'.
Sometimes, the endings are a bit more complex. Take for example psilocybe zapotecorum. Psilocybe is of the neuter gender (if I'm not mistaken...). 'zapotecorum' is derived from the Zapotec[...] stem and expressed as a genetive, meaning 'of the Zapotec people'. Neuter plural genetive ends in '-orum', resulting in 'zapotecorum'.
There's some logic in there, and it does help a bit if you know some of the words. It helps a bit more if you know how words are formed in Latin, so the best one could do is read up on the basics of Latin grammar and memorize some of the popular words used in plant/mushroom names.
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Thanks for the lesson Koraks, that's good to know. Conjugation is not at all unusual though. English speakers conjugate their verbs to match the subject (e.g. I go, She goes) but not adjectives. Spanish speakers conjugate their verbs to match the subject, speaker and the speakee so its far more complicated. I think all the latin languages do, Italian, French etc. I feel its crazy though that they put genders on objects. Like both table and chair are feminine, you'd think one of them should be masculine.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: sparkle]
#15813815 - 02/15/12 01:25 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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who wants to sit on a dude, common for sitting its a gal.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: trigger]
#15813824 - 02/15/12 01:27 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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It's a bitch to learn. I did 4 years of it in high school and 4 years in college. The grammatical stuff is so fucking complex and it makes it worse that no one teaches how to speak it. For scientific terms though, if you look latin and greek root words you can figure it out fairly easily.
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Re: I want to learn latin so bad. [Re: sparkle]
#15813906 - 02/15/12 01:49 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks for the lesson Koraks, that's good to know. Conjugation is not at all unusual though. English speakers conjugate their verbs to match the subject (e.g. I go, She goes) but not adjectives. Spanish speakers conjugate their verbs to match the subject, speaker and the speakee so its far more complicated. I think all the latin languages do, Italian, French etc.
French does it to a very limited extent; German is a better example. It works similar to Latin in this aspect, actually.
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I feel its crazy though that they put genders on objects. Like both table and chair are feminine, you'd think one of them should be masculine.
Haha, yeah, that's odd if you look at it that way 
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