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 High in baeocystin cubes.
#15805088 - 02/13/12 06:51 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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So i was wondering what cubes have the higher amounts of baeocystin. I once read that PE and F+ were higher in baeocystin but thats all i can remember.
I know wilds like Psilocybe baeocystis, cyanescens, azurescens, semilanceata, ect all have the highest amounts of baeocystin but Im just looking for something a little easier to grow.
Thank you for your time, Wazuki.
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 Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15805100 - 02/13/12 06:53 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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You can grow cyanescens and azurescens, you know.
Probably worth it.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: San]
#15805126 - 02/13/12 06:57 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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You can grow cyanescens and azurescens, you know.
Probably worth it.
Yeah i was thinking about doing that too. I would like a nice outdoor patch  but this also out of curiosity.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15805144 - 02/13/12 07:00 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Well pretty much cubes are just cubes.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: San]
#15805182 - 02/13/12 07:05 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Well pretty much cubes are just cubes.
eh... well i still have a hard time believing that, but thats just me.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15805214 - 02/13/12 07:10 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Its true, cubes are cubes, just different strengths. Mexicana, etc sclerotia may have higher levels.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki] 1
#15805248 - 02/13/12 07:14 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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No, really. Cubes are just cubes.
Go play with the dosage calculator or something.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: San]
#15805283 - 02/13/12 07:21 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Buckeye Oysters said:
Its true, cubes are cubes, just different strengths. Mexicana, etc sclerotia may have higher levels.
Mexicana is a cube?
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No, really. Cubes are just cubes.
Go play with the dosage calculator or something.
Thanks ill check that out.
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#15805302 - 02/13/12 07:24 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Wazuki said:
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Its true, cubes are cubes, just different strengths. Mexicana, etc sclerotia may have higher levels.
Mexicana is a cube?
That's what I was thinking :blink:
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: San]
#15805336 - 02/13/12 07:29 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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never heard of baeocystin before was doing some research and found this
www.stainblue.com/ah.html
albert Hoffman is a hero of mine, this article might not be as intrigued as I but informative none the less.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: bishlap]
#15805437 - 02/13/12 07:48 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Wazuki said:
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Buckeye Oysters said:
Its true, cubes are cubes, just different strengths. Mexicana, etc sclerotia may have higher levels.
Mexicana is a cube?
That's what I was thinking :blink:
Ok, im just confused cause the link you sent me said all cube grow in the same conditions but thought the Mexicana needed some extra help.
This is why the cube is just a cube confuses me.
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never heard of baeocystin before was doing some research and found this
www.stainblue.com/ah.html
albert Hoffman is a hero of mine, this article might not be as intrigued as I but informative none the less.
Thanks for the info i first got interested in this because of the Psilocybe baeocystis (my first wild mushroom). Also being were it got it name from. Cause thats were it was first noticed.
I had many rainbows (visuals) with Psilocybe baeocystis and was wondering if that may have something to do with it.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15805524 - 02/13/12 08:03 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Mexicana is not a Cube, it's Mexicanae. They are both of genus Psilocybe, but most of the actives are. That and Panaeolus just about cover them all.
I doubt you'll find a cube with more baeocystin than another, and if so, both will have.practicaly insignificant amounts too...
When researching species, I didn't visit shroomery. I looked for alkaloid tests (though, one of the better reports I found is also posted here). Almost ALL active mushrooms had much less baeocystin than anything else, even baeocystis.
I think what you may really wanna do is grow a Panaeolus. Might I recommend Cambodegeniensis... "Sandose" domesticate.
Panaeolus reportedly (by these same chemical tests) have significant amounts of serotonin usually, which is pretty cool.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Violet]
#15806541 - 02/13/12 11:46 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Mexicana is not a Cube, it's Mexicanae. They are both of genus Psilocybe, but most of the actives are. That and Panaeolus just about cover them all.
I doubt you'll find a cube with more baeocystin than another, and if so, both will have.practicaly insignificant amounts too...
When researching species, I didn't visit shroomery. I looked for alkaloid tests (though, one of the better reports I found is also posted here). Almost ALL active mushrooms had much less baeocystin than anything else, even baeocystis.
I think what you may really wanna do is grow a Panaeolus. Might I recommend Cambodegeniensis... "Sandose" domesticate.
Panaeolus reportedly (by these same chemical tests) have significant amounts of serotonin usually, which is pretty cool.
Thank you so much!! Good info. This post got a little side tracked for a bit there . thanks for getting back to the point!
I will look into growing this mushroom. And what supplies i will need.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15806614 - 02/14/12 12:25 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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It'll be the same stuff as growing cubes, just will require an environment adjustment. You'll see as you read. If you do grow any Pan, be careful of dose. Many have said and I believe that the dosage calculator here is too conservative for them. Start at under half gram.
Wiki on baeocystin mentioned but didn't cite a report that found baeocystin is as actIve per weight as psilo.... It's synthesizable... Schedule III. I still feel someone should to do a real look into it... I'm very interested in objective and subjective effects and differences too...
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Violet]
#15807620 - 02/14/12 09:30 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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It'll be the same stuff as growing cubes, just will require an environment adjustment. You'll see as you read. If you do grow any Pan, be careful of dose. Many have said and I believe that the dosage calculator here is too conservative for them. Start at under half gram.
Wiki on baeocystin mentioned but didn't cite a report that found baeocystin is as actIve per weight as psilo.... It's synthesizable... Schedule III. I still feel someone should to do a real look into it... I'm very interested in objective and subjective effects and differences too...
Yeah i saw the warnings and also that i should be collecting some dung. There is a trail by my house and there is horse droppings everywhere! And my neighbor has horses but i feel a little odd asking him for it ha.
Yes its all very interesting indeed. I also just learn how closely related baeocystin is to DMT.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15807656 - 02/14/12 09:41 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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This is a pointless thread. Cubes are all the same for the most part. The main differences between strains are generally limited to mycelium growth and fruit formation, not potency or chemical makeup.
Even if different cube strains had different chemical compositions, nobody would have a fucking clue which is higher in what, and if you're growing from multispore, it's gonna vary anyways. So unless you wanna test every fruit you grow, then just don't bother. Grow Cyans or something that we KNOW for a fact has higher baeocystin levels.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: trophycase]
#15807747 - 02/14/12 10:06 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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as far as i knew
cubes had NO baeocystine
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: k00laid]
#15807831 - 02/14/12 10:31 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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This is a pointless thread. Cubes are all the same for the most part. The main differences between strains are generally limited to mycelium growth and fruit formation, not potency or chemical makeup.
Even if different cube strains had different chemical compositions, nobody would have a fucking clue which is higher in what, and if you're growing from multispore, it's gonna vary anyways. So unless you wanna test every fruit you grow, then just don't bother. Grow Cyans or something that we KNOW for a fact has higher baeocystin levels.
You are correct. Im learning more and more as a go. But thank you for your input. Yeah i think im going to do a study with some Cyans here in the future.
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k00laid said:
as far as i knew
cubes had NO baeocystine
I THINK they all have very very small traces of it. but not 100% sure. Still figuring all this stuff out.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15807950 - 02/14/12 11:03 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Wazuki said:
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trophycase said:
This is a pointless thread. Cubes are all the same for the most part. The main differences between strains are generally limited to mycelium growth and fruit formation, not potency or chemical makeup.
Even if different cube strains had different chemical compositions, nobody would have a fucking clue which is higher in what, and if you're growing from multispore, it's gonna vary anyways. So unless you wanna test every fruit you grow, then just don't bother. Grow Cyans or something that we KNOW for a fact has higher baeocystin levels.
You are correct. Im learning more and more as a go. But thank you for your input. Yeah i think im going to do a study with some Cyans here in the future.
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k00laid said:
as far as i knew
cubes had NO baeocystine
I THINK they all have very very small traces of it. but not 100% sure. Still figuring all this stuff out.
I always thought cubes had a tiny bit of it, just so miniscule that it's virtually untraceable. And sorry if I came off like a dick, didn't mean to put you down or anyting. Good luck with your future research.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15807969 - 02/14/12 11:09 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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This thread is no more pointless than a casual conversation... A life that's a slave to "points" is a life lived full of empty practicality.
Yeah they do all have small traces of baeocystin. These chemicals are all close analogues of each other, including trpytophan, tryptamine, 5HT, 5HTp, so on...
In fact all three of these mushi chemicals are profoundly close to DMT. Really, they ARE DMT in a sense, kinda like DMT+.
Psilocybin is 4-phosphoroloxy-DMT.
Psilocin is 4-methoxy-DMT.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Violet]
#15808007 - 02/14/12 11:20 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I'm not a slave to points, but the last time I checked, we were in the Mush Cult forum, not the pub. I come to the Mush Cult forum for threads that have a purpose. If all the threads are just casual conversation, then the mush cult forum wouldn't be very helpful now, would it?
I know the OP didn't intend for it to be pointless, but because the topic is completely unknowable/undetermined, there is really no need for it to be taking up space. The OP will never in his lifetime get an answer to this question, so it really doesn't need to be here.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Violet]
#15808197 - 02/14/12 12:30 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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trophycase said:
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Wazuki said:
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trophycase said:
This is a pointless thread. Cubes are all the same for the most part. The main differences between strains are generally limited to mycelium growth and fruit formation, not potency or chemical makeup.
Even if different cube strains had different chemical compositions, nobody would have a fucking clue which is higher in what, and if you're growing from multispore, it's gonna vary anyways. So unless you wanna test every fruit you grow, then just don't bother. Grow Cyans or something that we KNOW for a fact has higher baeocystin levels.
You are correct. Im learning more and more as a go. But thank you for your input. Yeah i think im going to do a study with some Cyans here in the future.
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k00laid said:
as far as i knew
cubes had NO baeocystine
I THINK they all have very very small traces of it. but not 100% sure. Still figuring all this stuff out.
I always thought cubes had a tiny bit of it, just so miniscule that it's virtually untraceable. And sorry if I came off like a dick, didn't mean to put you down or anyting. Good luck with your future research.
No worries friend its all good but i did laugh after you said sorry about being a dick i read your title was dickface  But really dont worry about it.
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This thread is no more pointless than a casual conversation... A life that's a slave to "points" is a life lived full of empty practicality.
Yeah they do all have small traces of baeocystin. These chemicals are all close analogues of each other, including trpytophan, tryptamine, 5HT, 5HTp, so on...
In act, all three of these mushi chemicals are profoundly close to DMT. Really, they ARE DMT in a sense, kinda like DMT+.
Psilocybin is 4-phosphololoxy-DMT.
Psilocin is 4-methoxy-DMT.
Wow i did not realize that Psilocybin and Psilocin were also so close to DMT. I love to learn 
This is some great info. thank you so much!
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Wazuki]
#15808267 - 02/14/12 12:47 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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 Someone informed me, and I was so glad they did - changed the way I look at many things! So I'm happy to help people do the same!
The point of these threads is to network relevant information and that's what's going on.
Tis a shame some people want others to only share info here that THEY find is relevant, and - what's even more silly - waste their time and words to go out of the way to SAY SO 
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: Violet]
#15808360 - 02/14/12 01:08 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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It is silly to waste my time in a thread that I've deemed pointless, but I've decided to do so anyway. I posted originally to explain why it was pointless.
And yes, psilocybin and psilocin are just slightly tweaked versions of DMT.
My title was just the default "child" before, but some ignoramus thought he was cute by calling me childish because my title said it was so. I just couldn't think of anything better than dickface to change it to. 
Edit: And by pointless I mean pointless to this subforum. The OP won't learn anything in this thread that he can't learn elsewhere. If you're a fan of casual conversation, then take it to a more casual topic like other drugs discussion or the pub. I'm aware that there is info in this thread that might be new to some people, but this is just not the place for it. Ya dig?
No disrespect, OP. I understand why you posted originally. I can't berate curiousity.
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Re: High in baeocystin cubes. [Re: trophycase]
#15810761 - 02/14/12 08:41 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Violet said:
Someone informed me, and I was so glad they did - changed the way I look at many things! So I'm happy to help people do the same!
The point of these threads is to network relevant information and that's what's going on.
Tis a shame some people want others to only share info here that THEY find is relevant, and - what's even more silly - waste their time and words to go out of the way to SAY SO
Well thank you for sharing what you know and what you have learned. that have this wonder network of info gets around. This has also changed a lot of my think
I will work on finding even more info and work on growing some of those sweet little blue beauties. Well staining heavily blue that is ha.
And when my Psilocybe baeocystis patch starts going this fall maybe you would like a print or something? Felt like it would be a good study and kinda fun cause thats where the name cameQuote:
trophycase said:
It is silly to waste my time in a thread that I've deemed pointless, but I've decided to do so anyway. I posted originally to explain why it was pointless.
And yes, psilocybin and psilocin are just slightly tweaked versions of DMT.
My title was just the default "child" before, but some ignoramus thought he was cute by calling me childish because my title said it was so. I just couldn't think of anything better than dickface to change it to.
Edit: And by pointless I mean pointless to this subforum. The OP won't learn anything in this thread that he can't learn elsewhere. If you're a fan of casual conversation, then take it to a more casual topic like other drugs discussion or the pub. I'm aware that there is info in this thread that might be new to some people, but this is just not the place for it. Ya dig?
No disrespect, OP. I understand why you posted originally. I can't berate curiousity.
Yes it did get side tracked kinda quickly, but im glad you understand the main reason at first.
If there is any Grand Masters of the Shroomery world reading this you may move it to the appropriate spot. Wherever that may be.
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