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#15804951 - 02/13/12 06:28 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Hello everyone!
I'm just posting today because I have a couple questions, but ill start by explaining my past experiences to give you some background information on myself.
I have taken mushrooms on two occasions. both were overall positive experiences. the first time was an approximate dosage of 1.16 grams (dried) about 6 months ago. the other was about 1.5 grams (dried) taken using the "lemon Tek" method about three days ago. I found that the days following my last trip were very happy times for me, possibly the happiest I have been for quite some time, but I am starting to feel my happiness reside back to what it was before my trip, and I much prefer the way I was feeling the day after the trip to this (afterglow?).
Now I have an 3.5-ish grams left of the same mushrooms I took a few days ago. I am considering taking them all to myself lemon tek'ed and then laying in my room listening to music, the way they do in studies such as this one: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/02/psychedelic-mushrooms-can-boost-mental-health-researchers-say/
In this study they showed very long term (14+ months) positive effects on mood.
My question is: has anyone ever tripped this way (for therapeutic reasons or otherwise) and did they notice a longer term positive effect from this method?
also what kind of music would be alright to listen to? I was going to listen to The Beatles, but in the study they simply used classical music.
TL;DR: basically I would like to replicate the study posted in the link above ( http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/02/psychedelic-mushrooms-can-boost-mental-health-researchers-say/ ) on myself, and would like others opinions and experiences with this sort of trip.
Thank you all in advance!
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 Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15804992 - 02/13/12 06:35 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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any music you like most man. don't go into psychedelics expecting anything specific.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15805029 - 02/13/12 06:41 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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A large trip may make you feel better but realize that 3.5g, especially lemoned, is going to be a very intense trip that you might not want to do alone. Tripping at higher levels quickly becomes a different experience, but I can definitely say that the best I felt in my life was after the hardest shroom trip I took. As you get older and the more trips you take you will realize that the setting and people you trip with really make the difference whether or not it was mentally beneficial and you enjoy it. Trip enough and you will always end up with some trips, even intense ones, that weren't very fruitful or enjoyable, at least with cubensis.
For instance, I got to the point where I really wasn't getting any enjoyment from cubensis shrooms, no matter what I took. It began to become physically taxing with heavy amounts of anxiety and that 'doom' feeling. I had to take a break and I began using the philosopher stones (p. mexicana, galindoi, etc) and now I am able to enjoy tripping again, just taking them in 2g or less doses. But soon I'll take more at once. Cubensis shrooms like you have invite a lot of agitation and additional stress if you are already stressing and frustrated with life.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15805090 - 02/13/12 06:51 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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zx2 said:
Now I have an 3.5-ish grams left of the same mushrooms I took a few days ago. I am considering taking them all to myself lemon tek'ed and then laying in my room listening to music, the way they do in studies such as this one: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/07/02/psychedelic-mushrooms-can-boost-mental-health-researchers-say/
You need to wait 7-10 days between sessions for the mushrooms to have the same effect. You develop a tolerance very rapidly, so taking them now would be something of a waste.
and what the peeps above say is true: 3.5g is a much heavier experience than the small doses you've been taking. don't go into it expecting just a gentle good time. it could be the most awesome time of your life, but there's some chance also that it will scare the hell out of you if you're not ready to submit to whatever comes. respect the medicine: you're sort of putting your soul in its hands. and leave off the lemon. that's useful when your dose is small and you want a shorter, more intense experience. with enough material, all lemon does is blitzes you with ridiculous intensity at the beginning.
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My question is: has anyone ever tripped this way (for therapeutic reasons or otherwise) and did they notice a longer term positive effect from this method?
that's pretty much the only way i trip: solo, laying down in a dark room, listening to music. i get a definite mood boost lasting anywhere from about 3 to 14 days. but as the simple pharmacological effects fade, if you're lucky and diligent, you can hold on to the more lasting "mystical" insights you may have gained during and shortly after the session. that's what the studies suggest too: not a long range benefit in mood per se. moods are moods. happiness is a more steady thing.
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also what kind of music would be alright to listen to? I was going to listen to The Beatles, but in the study they simply used classical music.
everybody has their favorites. i think the main thing is that it is familiar, at least somewhat. it grounds you in time when your inner clock goes off the rails, provides a comforting sense of recognition, and generally can help keep you out of dark headspaces.
read more about these studies here, all collected at one address: http://csp.org/psilocybin/ . check the safety guidelines, and the dose-effect curve study
Edited by latherdome (02/13/12 06:59 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: latherdome]
#15805331 - 02/13/12 07:28 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Thank you for all the information so far everyone! and thank you for that link to the studies, I've just been using google to find them all over the place, but having them all in one place like that is very handy.
also the reason I want to go for the full eighth lemon tek'd is because from what I've heard when you lemon tek you double the potency but cut the duration? so if that is true my last trip would be the equivalent of almost an eighth non-lemon tek'd at its peak. and at its peak it wasn't all that intense. I suspect that these are not very potent mushrooms.
I'm just looking for a long term positive effect, I guess mood boost wouldn't be the best definition as stated above me. I suffer from OCD, and anxiety is a pretty large part of my life, causing me to become very socially introverted and giving me low self confidence, but after I took the mushrooms I completely cured. better then I have for a very long time. I still feel good, but my hope is that by taking a large dosage I will be able to delve deeper into my inner psyche and hopefully help find the root of my anxieties, and use that information to change my life for the better.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: latherdome]
#15805385 - 02/13/12 07:41 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Go for it! I have had no problems dosing 3.5 grams. Actually, that is a favorite dose for me because I pretty much just psilosophise the entire time. Definitely lemon tek them, too. I wouldn't do it any other way. It comes up faster so there's less anxious waiting, it makes the peak slightly more intense (imo), and once it's over it doesn't seem to "wear me out" as much. If it shortens the length of the trip, it does so by literally stopping the trip as soon as its over whereas just eating them would stretch it out but not in any beneficial way. In other words it lasts a little longer but is really weak at that point.
Just remember to cover all the basics. Drink lots of water/try not to eat beforehand. Try not to dose too soon since your last trip. I like to wait at least 2 weeks in order to integrate the experience.
It's now scientifically proven that psilocybin causes both short and long term improvements to many aspects of the psyche. Personally, I've had to do a lot of mental work for the more meaningful long term improvements. If you hope to change something about yourself then you will certainly succeed especially with the help of psilocybin. There may be some difficult work, but what's worth doing that isn't difficult?
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15805434 - 02/13/12 07:48 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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also the reason I want to go for the full eighth lemon tek'd is because from what I've heard when you lemon tek you double the potency but cut the duration?.
Take that with a grain of salt. Subjective intensity of effects is not linear with dosage, so "double the potency" is a highly unreliable, anecdotal basis for your calculation. I take mushrooms powdered with or without lemon, and I find that lemon (again, subjectively) bumps intensity only by a little, maybe 20% if it comes high. the main difference is that it hits faster and harder, which in some instances is very uncomfortable.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: latherdome]
#15805598 - 02/13/12 08:13 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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dude an eighth lemon tekked is gonna be way to intense for you. Just eat the eighth or make some tea. psychedelics probably aren't going to enlighten you for a year. I mean its possible though. they can do ANYTHING to your mental health, positive and negative.
if anything it will open your mind a little bit to new ideas and whatnot. just dont get caught up in it and get fried
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Listen to Black Metal. nothing creates a more intense atmosphere. PM me if you wants some good tunes.
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Listen to Black Metal. nothing creates a more intense atmosphere. PM me if you wants some good tunes.
who the fuck would want to listen to music that sounds like a fucking demon screaming at you on SHROOMS
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i didnt really read much other then your question so sorry if my answer isnt great lol. my first mushroom trip was the most significant trip ive had yet. i was begginging to get a bit depressed and was kinda lost in life. i remember when i was starting to come down i felt the happyest ive felt in awhile and i remember saying to myself while looking up at the stars "this is exactly what i needed". it deffinatly helped me out a lot through that rough time in my life. im in a pretty tough spot right now actually and am hoping to trip in about 2 weeks to help sort of figure things out. psycedelics are very theraputic in my opinion. every trip ive had has given me a bit of light and excitment through the bleak darkness that occationally comes with life. also for music i think the beatles are a great choice. one of the most loving and uplifting bands out there. shpongle also always puts a smile on my face sober or not.
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i love listen 2 sublime/pink floyd well trippin  
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Listen to Black Metal. nothing creates a more intense atmosphere. PM me if you wants some good tunes.
who the fuck would want to listen to music that sounds like a fucking demon screaming at you on SHROOMS
That my friend is an opinion. Try listening to Agalloch - She Painted Fire Across the Sky. Come back and tell me how demonic that sounds. Not all metal is "scary"
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Thanks everyone, I'm thinking I'll just wait till spring break (beginning of March) and lemon tek it and just keep it in a comfortable environment. I don't really plan on taking mushrooms often, this might be my last time. So I figure I should go for the "full" experience anyways (or at least as full as I can get with the amount I have).
I figured The Beatles would be a good choice, I don't know how I forgot about Pink Floyd, I'll have to listen to them.
Well I guess since I have the dosage decided upon, anyone have any crucial advice for me? I've read a ton of trip reports and read up a lot on it (it took me half a year to find the mushrooms so I had plenty of time to study them), but any first hand advice would be much appreciated!
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15805939 - 02/13/12 09:18 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Relax and don't over think it. Just jump in, stay calm, and let whatever happens happen.
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EvolveShrooms said:That my friend is an opinion. Try listening to Agalloch - She Painted Fire Across the Sky. Come back and tell me how demonic that sounds. Not all metal is "scary"
I hadn't heard of Agalloch, as I admit not to having much exposure to metal. Figured I'd broaden my mind, so searched youtube and found that track. As soon as the vocals started, my 9-yo son walked over and asked "why are you listening to that scary music?" I laughed, and asked if it sounded like a demon screaming. He said "more like a demon hissing or wheezing." I laughed harder.
Not dissing your music man, just reporting what happened. I think pretty much all good music is an acquired taste. Stuff that people like the first time they hear it is generally sweet and shallow IMO.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15806062 - 02/13/12 09:44 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I'm just looking for a long term positive effect, I guess mood boost wouldn't be the best definition as stated above me. I suffer from OCD, and anxiety is a pretty large part of my life, causing me to become very socially introverted and giving me low self confidence, but after I took the mushrooms I completely cured. better then I have for a very long time. I still feel good, but my hope is that by taking a large dosage I will be able to delve deeper into my inner psyche and hopefully help find the root of my anxieties, and use that information to change my life for the better.
Puts a different spin on it for sure. Yeah, reports of OCD being helped by shrooms aren't that uncommon, but it doesn't seem to be a lasting rewiring IIRC, generally more of a shorter term effect perhaps confined to the trip and the immediate afterglow?
SFAIK OCD often has triggers? If I were you and I had something like that I think I'd try to get at the triggers (if this applies) and detox them - not at "inner psyche". As the former might yield to short term effort but the latter almost always takes more time and a day then you ever would expect (speaking strictly from experience). Inner psychological conditionings are definitely amenable to modification while tripping but basically you're gonna have to follow them as far as they lead - allow more time than your straight self would expect to do this. You straight self hasn't generally got a clue as to what's happening under the hood, as it runs on the top of whatever kinks you've got hidden away. 
Anyway, just a thought, and good luck. I doubt you can hurt yourself and I'm pretty sure you can help yourself quite a lot, particularly if the condition is keeping you away from normal social interaction, as I've seen from a few people how hard it can be to interact when you're struggling just to stay focused.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: zx2]
#15806323 - 02/13/12 10:37 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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if you fast for 24 before tripping the effects will be much stronger
and when it's all said and dunn the meal you eat will feel like a religious experience 
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Listen to Black Metal. nothing creates a more intense atmosphere. PM me if you wants some good tunes.
who the fuck would want to listen to music that sounds like a fucking demon screaming at you on SHROOMS
That my friend is an opinion. Try listening to Agalloch - She Painted Fire Across the Sky. Come back and tell me how demonic that sounds. Not all metal is "scary"
Im aware of that. Sabbath, metallica, slayer, megadeth, anthrax, testament, iron maiden, judas priest, the sword, and SOAD are just about the only metal bands I like. theres a few others cant think right now tho
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Listen to Black Metal. nothing creates a more intense atmosphere. PM me if you wants some good tunes.
who the fuck would want to listen to music that sounds like a fucking demon screaming at you on SHROOMS
no evolvedshrooms is on to something. black metal is FANTASTIC tripping. agalloch is an excellent option, but i myself prefer some Dissection
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well at least he gave it a chance. Thats worth something.
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ZX1,
You should take a look at everything that might be affecting your serotonin levels. A good diet and regular exercise can give you long term feelings of well being. Its worth researching.
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Re: Mushrooms and Mental Health [Re: duff monkey]
#15814358 - 02/15/12 03:42 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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when you lemon tek you double the potency
Although some people might argue this, I'm pretty sure in general that would be an overstatement. A lemon tek'd 1/8th has a good chance of being way too strong for a third trip. Did you eat within a short period of taking the shrooms?
Are the shrooms 'cracker dry'? By that I mean do they snap if you try to bend them, or are they flexible? If they are the former, then take my advice: Don't eat for 6 hours, and just eat them plain. With run of the mill shrooms, there's no way you would be disappointed at this point in your psychedelic career.
Especially considering your goals and reasons for tripping. I really think risking it with a lemon tek'd 1/8th could get in the way of your progress. At least try the eighth on it's own... there will be time to redose higher if you're comfortable.
As for the setting, I think that's spot on. Lots of people here, including myself, prefer the benefits of a solo trip. The comfort of one's bed and lack of distractions can make it easier to venture deeper into experience, but definitely check out the outdoors sometimes.
That being said... a lemon tek'd 1/8th is a wonderful dose, but try this first. Please!
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