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 resonant111
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 ego games and the "real world" 
#15804494 - 02/13/12 05:17 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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the "real world" is completely based on the games of the ego. status, social position, income, accomplishments etc.
once you realize the suffering the ego causes, how do you play this game of life without letting the ego run the show? how do you acquire basic needs (money) without being obsessed with ego?
forgetting the ego in meditation is easy...forgetting it in the "real world" is a miraculous task.
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111]
#15804506 - 02/13/12 05:19 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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What do you mean how do you acquire money? You work for it 
"before enlightenment, carry water and chop wood. after enlightenment, carry water and chop wood."
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111] 1
#15804600 - 02/13/12 05:34 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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where is the ego? if you keep looking for it, it might disappear like approaching a mirage. if there's never been an ego, then there are no ego problems either 
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111] 4
#15804620 - 02/13/12 05:38 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Be careful of the ego game of "I'm too spiritually advanced to be part of this society."
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111]
#15804633 - 02/13/12 05:40 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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another approach is to approach work and social interactions with bodhicitta motivation - a strong altruistic wish to bring others to happiness and reduce their suffering. if you mix this with the view of emptiness and non-attachment, then i think social interactions can be very fruitful for both you and the other party. in this sense, there's no real division between "formal spiritual practice" and the "real world"
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: deff]
#15804666 - 02/13/12 05:46 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
White Beard said:
Be careful of the ego game of "I'm too spiritually advanced to be part of this society."
Thanks, it's very easy for me to fall into that kind of thinking...it's basically the worst ego trip there is too, lol.
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another approach is to approach work and social interactions with bodhicitta motivation - a strong altruistic wish to bring others to happiness and reduce their suffering. if you mix this with the view of emptiness and non-attachment, then i think social interactions can be very fruitful for both you and the other party. in this sense, there's no real division between "formal spiritual practice" and the "real world"
this is great advice. i've divided my "spiritual practice" from the "real world" without even realizing it. mistake number one.
ahh duality...lol
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111]
#15804685 - 02/13/12 05:50 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
resonant111 said:
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White Beard said:
Be careful of the ego game of "I'm too spiritually advanced to be part of this society."
Thanks, it's very easy for me to fall into that kind of thinking...it's basically the worst ego trip there is too, lol.
Yeah man, I do it all the time. 
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111] 1
#15804692 - 02/13/12 05:52 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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here's an applicable quote i just stumbled across:
"If you understand the nature of openness and compassion,
whether your work is a worldly work or associated with
Dharma, it matters not. Whatever you do in the world becomes the Dharma."
—Kunzang Dechen Lingpa
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: deff] 1
#15804862 - 02/13/12 06:18 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Quote:
deff said:
here's an applicable quote i just stumbled across:
"If you understand the nature of openness and compassion,
whether your work is a worldly work or associated with
Dharma, it matters not. Whatever you do in the world becomes the Dharma."
—Kunzang Dechen Lingpa
Amazing, i love it.
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111]
#15804891 - 02/13/12 06:21 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I was just thinking about this earlier today. posting here for future advice
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: Kickle] 2
#15805215 - 02/13/12 07:10 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Kickle said:
What do you mean how do you acquire money? You work for it
"before enlightenment, carry water and chop wood. after enlightenment, carry water and chop wood."
Incorrect. The correct method of acquiring currency is via the disregarding of bitches.
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: Kickle] 1
#15805245 - 02/13/12 07:14 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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"before enlightenment, carry water and chop wood. after enlightenment, build an army of robots to do all your work for you using your all powerful enlightened mind. Also to look into the future with your omniscience to get the lottery numbers for the 10 mil. jack pot."
Fixed that shit for you.
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: White Beard]
#15805361 - 02/13/12 07:36 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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both of those made me LOL 
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: Kickle]
#15809941 - 02/14/12 06:09 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Take off the lottery thing and it's straight up how one goes about. Just finished a conversation on this issue. Finished. My silence will just have to be nicer to the people I live with 
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: Denounced]
#15809952 - 02/14/12 06:11 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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So you'll just build robots when you're enlightened, but you don't care about the cash? Weird.
"My silence will just have to be nicer to the people I live with "
What's that suppose to mean?
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: White Beard]
#15810091 - 02/14/12 06:36 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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I don't build robots, but I have called others "aside" to hear of their justice, and their depth seems to go only to some extent, as does mine. It's just that they appear to be manageable like that. It means that right now I'm just like you, "Yeah man, I do it all the time. " Bending the robots seems the way to eventually go about making cash... exercising some self-esteem. Of course, I bent all the way through first, figuring out the "ergonomy of the space". I've come to rest on the thought that that's how it's worked.
I'm young by the way, it's understandable... Just no need to go about doing it with the fury of someone who's been inherently and undeniably, repeatedly betrayed, if you catch my drift... well, lets just not leave that so clear, even for ourselves. A cigarette will do.
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: Denounced] 1
#15810516 - 02/14/12 08:01 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Oh, okay. Makes sense.
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111]
#15818682 - 02/16/12 12:12 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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i got this quote emailed to me to today, relevant to the OP
So the point I'm trying to make is this. You do not have to be afraid that you'll lose something if you go into the absolute state of consciousness. Some people say they have a family. They may think, "Well I'll lose interest in my family, I'll lose interest in my work, I'll lose interest in my children, I'll lose interest." But it doesn't work that way. Your body will still be the same as it was before, as far as the appearances go. You will do a better job than you ever did in your life. You will be more loving. You'll be kinder. You'll have great compassion as far as your body is concerned. Yet you will realize, "I am the Self. I am as the Self," same thing. "I Am that I Am." It will be very clear to you and you will make your life simple. You will not find fault. You will not react. You will simply be yourself, and you'll be happier than you've ever been in your life.
doesn't this make the egos question of 'what will life be like with 'me'?' kind of redundant?
why even trust this question?
without ego you will simply be as you always were, activity continues by itself but identifying with is not there anymore
a better question IMO is - how do i get rid of the ego whilst in activity?
as that's is the real difficulty of full realization, lots of people can sit still & meditate & be at peace as you say, but few can remain fully aware during activity, attention goes to form & seemingly instantly identification with form swirls into action, its like a reflex, the reflex of billions of lifetimes
then this is where a great beauty can unfold, because nobody can get rid of the ego as an action, if they could, who would be achieving this other than the ego itself?
so looking/contemplating with leads to the wisdom that the only option is to totally surrender
this is the unity of self-contemplation & self-surrender
the snake bites its tail
who are you that you can do any of this?
ego shmego
if the ego is real show it
when its looked for it vanishes like a ghost
why live as a ghost, live as reality which shines forever
you really only ever exist as reality, but still realize that
this is also a post to the forum, so don't get too tripped out OP
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: The Chronic]
#15819833 - 02/16/12 04:37 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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The Chronic said:
a better question IMO is - how do i get rid of the ego whilst in activity?
as that's is the real difficulty of full realization, lots of people can sit still & meditate & be at peace as you say, but few can remain fully aware during activity, attention goes to form & seemingly instantly identification with form swirls into action, its like a reflex, the reflex of billions of lifetimes
I appreciate your post chronic. The question you pose above IS the main difficulty, no doubt.
Even if you recognize the ego itself a a ghost, a phantom, an illusion...it still appears necessary in order accomplish certain things in the world.
For example, when one goes to a job interview the entire process is dictated by ego (even if you understand it doesn't exist). You have to "put on a face," impress the employer, "sell" your strengths in order to gain acceptance and trust. This entire process is a game governed by the ego and its separate sense of self.
It seems like the only way my ego TRULY drops is in silent meditation while focusing on the breath. All my life activities seem to reinforce the "I" games, no matter how I attempt to approach them.
I resonated with Deff's advice to "approach work and social interactions with bodhicitta motivation - a strong altruistic wish to bring others to happiness and reduce their suffering"...but at the same time I don't really KNOW HOW to do this on a moment to moment basis...I'm certainly no saint, lol.
So even if we RECOGNIZE ego as non-existent, it still seems like a difficult task to erase "ego games" from our life. It seems we must play "ego games" every day in order to simply survive, regardless of whether we see it as an illusion, or not.
It'd be nice to "ignore the ego" every waking moment...it just seems very difficult in my experience.
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Edited by resonant111 (02/16/12 04:54 PM)
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Re: ego games and the "real world" [Re: resonant111]
#15819880 - 02/16/12 04:52 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Why do we have to erase ego games if the ego doesn't exist?
Take no notice of the ego and its activities, but see only the light behind. - Ramana Maharshi
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