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 Re: Injecting birthed cakes?  [Re: PureHash]
#15800499 - 02/12/12 09:21 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Yep. Im not just regurgitating information. I tried it myself. Found the water absorption rate to be poor, and a bunch of those cakes contaminated from the inside out.
Also, I wasn't attacking you, only giving my experience and advice from prior attempts.
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how are you sure your cake was not contammed before injecting. i never had a contam using this method before the third flush.
again this is personal preference. no need to argue.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15801510 - 02/13/12 01:37 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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how are you sure your cake was not contammed before injecting. i never had a contam using this method before the third flush.
again this is personal preference. no need to argue.
THis is not a matter of personal preference. I assume that Roadkill is a fantastic cultivator, in fact he must be since he is the guy standing next to RR in his video series, however:
Given the nature of peoples very mixed experiences with this method, I would say its experimental at best, not because it doesnt "work" but because it can give both good and bad results. We have at our hands dunking and I cant see any reason why people should stab their cakes with needles when all they have to do is dunk them. Its like deciding to skip changing your tyre and instead spray QuickFix on it everytime it blows.
Cakes are dunkable, and dunked they shall be. Your personal experiences is hardly any reason for new or more experienced growers to try this method, because any dunking would be just as effective.
Whats the point of injecting cakes, when dunking works just as well?
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15802496 - 02/13/12 10:27 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Everyone in this hobby should try more than one meathod. You don't stick to pf when you start, you experiment. For all you know the OP would get better results with injecting vs dunking. Have u ever had bacteri grow in your dunk water? And turn all your Cakes to mush had it happen on mpre than one occasion. Never had this problem with injecting.
I will dunk if I have time to blow. But I prefferably inject my cakes.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15802526 - 02/13/12 10:37 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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how does that work?
I have never considered injection.
I would think injection wouldn't work, I can't imagine the sub taking the injection or wouldn't absorb.
and if injection does work well has anyone tried injection and dunking vs just dunk and just injection
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15802551 - 02/13/12 10:46 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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PureHash said:
Everyone in this hobby should try more than one meathod. You don't stick to pf when you start, you experiment. For all you know the OP would get better results with injecting vs dunking. Have u ever had bacteri grow in your dunk water? And turn all your Cakes to mush had it happen on mpre than one occasion. Never had this problem with injecting.
I will dunk if I have time to blow. But I prefferably inject my cakes.
Ive never had bacteria growing in my dunking water. Ever heard of cleaning? I just doubt your logic, thats all. If you think injecting cakes is superior to dunking, then have the balls to make a thread in Mush Cult about it and give people some evidence and a chance to comment.
I will never inject my cakes with anything.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15802721 - 02/13/12 11:28 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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you can't just re-use standing water. thats going to ruin cakes everytime. i'm not surprised.
fresh water for every dunk. theres nothing growing in that.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15803877 - 02/13/12 03:31 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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You guys are getting off topic here, i am the op. I was not asking about injection for hydration of H2o i was wanting to inject h poo water or coffee water for nutrients.
After further reading i have concluded they want food not nutrients so it would really be no point. Although i have read enough threads about injecting water to seriously consider trying it, i have not seen any cons as far as injecting water.
As i stated earlier in this thread i just want to try and evolve my learning think outside the box a little and try different methods. If nobody ever tried any new procedures in this hobby we would all probably be doing brf cakes.
Edited by justncyn (02/13/12 03:33 PM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15803904 - 02/13/12 03:37 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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go to the bottom of this page in similar threads the second one down by kevincoughlin seems to be just one of many good outcomes as far as injecting water goes.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15804219 - 02/13/12 04:31 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Its too bad I can't take any of that information to heart in kevincoughlin's thread. there simply is not enough information listed to determine anything from what he did.
1. he did not detail his procedures for dunking. was it submerged? for how long? we dunk 20-24 hours with brf but plenty of people come on here and say they do anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 days because they have bad information.
2. he did not specify his genetics. was it an isolate? was it multi-spore? who knows....
3. the statement that the average size fruit from the dunked cakes was as shown in the picture is a joke and an insult anyone who was ever properly dunked brf cakes from multispore. they grow by far better than that pinky sized fruit.
as a concluding statement, I'll show you fruits just as large that I grew without dunking or injecting or even misting.
 
 
ya, that was my first grow. it was a genetic gold mine. too bad I couldn't isolate then.
here are some properly dunked MS cakes, and you can see I get pretty consistant decent sized fruits from them.
  
.... and I'll offer you a more rewarding thing to experiment with than shooting up your cakes... try recycling everyday household materials in to substrates. Mushrooms can and will grow off of many many things just fine.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15804733 - 02/13/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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justncyn said:
You guys are getting off topic here, i am the op. I was not asking about injection for hydration of H2o i was wanting to inject h poo water or coffee water for nutrients.
After further reading i have concluded they want food not nutrients so it would really be no point. Although i have read enough threads about injecting water to seriously consider trying it, i have not seen any cons as far as injecting water.
As i stated earlier in this thread i just want to try and evolve my learning think outside the box a little and try different methods. If nobody ever tried any new procedures in this hobby we would all probably be doing brf cakes.
A lot of people are trying new procedures from time to time, however we who are slightly more experienced growers know that this is a hobby with rules and that it takes time to master it.
Learning how to get decent fruits from a standard PF TEK cake would be lesson one, not fucking around with needles when you have no concept of the outcome.
Besides, there are so many liars, trollz etc here that enjoy taking people for a ride. Dont believe anything you read.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15804988 - 02/13/12 06:34 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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A lot of people are trying new procedures from time to time, however we who are slightly more experienced growers know that this is a hobby with rules and that it takes time to master it.
Learning how to get decent fruits from a standard PF TEK cake would be lesson one, not fucking around with needles when you have no concept of the outcome.
Besides, there are so many liars, trollz etc here that enjoy taking people for a ride. Dont believe anything you read.
i have already learned and have got plenty of good fruits and great results following the standard pf tek. This is not my first grow.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15805045 - 02/13/12 06:43 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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justncyn said:
A lot of people are trying new procedures from time to time, however we who are slightly more experienced growers know that this is a hobby with rules and that it takes time to master it.
Learning how to get decent fruits from a standard PF TEK cake would be lesson one, not fucking around with needles when you have no concept of the outcome.
Besides, there are so many liars, trollz etc here that enjoy taking people for a ride. Dont believe anything you read.
i have already learned and have got plenty of good fruits and great results following the standard pf tek. This is not my first grow.
I dont doubt that.
There are dozens of theoretical actions people consider that they post up here, most of them are never resolved because people cannot determine why their results improved. Lets say you inject your cakes with water once and you have a great flush. There are dozens of factors involved in that. Youd have to repeat the same thing on 100;s of cakes and even use a control to measure the percieved effect.
The performance of cakes that are injected have not been shown to increase, in relation to the general results we can see in bulk grows etc.
This is why my standpoint is so firm; falsesly believing that injecting cakes will automatically lead to great results is dangerous.
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