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 Pluteus admirabilis???
#15802804 - 02/13/12 11:51 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Found on a decomposing branch at the edge of stream run-off.
     
   
www.mushroomobserver.org/obs/87658
compare with...
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/pluteus_admirabilis.html
opinions?
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 Re: Pluteus admirabilis??? [Re: bloodworm]
#15802812 - 02/13/12 11:52 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Admirable find, blood!
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Re: Pluteus admirabilis??? [Re: Gravija]
#15802849 - 02/13/12 12:01 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Gravija said:
Admirable find, blood!
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Re: Pluteus admirabilis??? [Re: bloodworm]
#15803594 - 02/13/12 02:30 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Looks like a good match. It would be helpful if you label your micrographs.
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Looks like a good match. It would be helpful if you label your micrographs.
sorry.
they are labeled on MO...
the first one isn't because i'm unclear as to what exactly it is i'm looking at...
1. I'm assuming cheilocystidia and pleurocystidia are shown here. they do not match Kuo's description however.
1000x
2. basidia 1000x
3. basidia 1000x
4. spores 1000x
still doing more microscopy...
now using oil immersion.
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Edited by bloodworm (02/13/12 04:09 PM)
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Re: Pluteus admirabilis??? [Re: bloodworm]
#15804096 - 02/13/12 04:09 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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1. I'm assuming cheilocystidia and pleurocystidia are shown here. they do not match Kuo's description however.
Which differences have you noted? They look close enough to me, but you can see them much better since you can adjust the fine focus.
For cystidia you could also try crush mounts with stain, allowing you to measure them.
Instead of using the Kuo reference for Pluteus species, it is better to use Flora Agaricina Neerlandica. Else Vellinga wrote the Pluteus part and she did a damn good job.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Z-xGzC7Nic4C&lpg=PA31&dq=pluteus%20%20neerlandica&pg=PA31#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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1. I'm assuming cheilocystidia and pleurocystidia are shown here. they do not match Kuo's description however.
Which differences have you noted? They look close enough to me, but you can see them much better since you can adjust the fine focus.
For cystidia you could also try crush mounts with stain, allowing you to measure them.
Instead of using the Kuo reference for Pluteus species, it is better to use Flora Agaricina Neerlandica. Else Vellinga wrote the Pluteus part and she did a damn good job.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Z-xGzC7Nic4C&lpg=PA31&dq=pluteus%20%20neerlandica&pg=PA31#v=onepage&q&f=false
awesome. 
thanks man. 
all were crush mounts...
the cheilocystidia and pleurocystidia lack the club shape he describes...
im going to look at them again in oil.
thanks again.
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Re: Pluteus admirabilis??? [Re: bloodworm]
#15804249 - 02/13/12 04:36 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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all were crush mounts...
Those are not crush mounts, or if they are, you didn't press hard enough. To make a crush mount you very carefully press down on the cover slip after an extremely tiny bit of gill tissue is mounted. It is good to press with a pencil eraser.
If you press too hard the spores and cystidia will break, too soft and the cells will not separate. If you press just right the cystidia will break free and lay flat allowing you to see the whole cell and measure them.
The first pic might be the pileipellis. Some of the terminal elements look interesting, as if they have a subcapitate apex.
Use the key in the link I posted, you will learn a lot in that process.
I don't see admiribilis in that text, but I am pretty sure its in there under a different, perhaps more correct name.
To successfully use the key you will need to examine the pleurocystidia and pileipellis, among other things. Let us know if you find any part confusing.
When looking at the pileipellis, use an extremely thin cross section and have the Mycological Glossary which is a stickied thread in this forum open to page 63. That glossary came from the same book that has the pluteus key, so not only is it excellent quality but it also will use the same terms.
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sounds good man.
thank you again.
i guess i did not press hard enough in that case.
because i did mount and then press with a pencil eraser.
i'll post future findings.
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