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 Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15643588 - 01/10/12 01:18 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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RR said you normally don't let cakes consolidate if you use them as spawn, only before you fruit them.
The myc has to switch between colonisation (where it takes the substrate) and consolidation (where it digests the substrate). If you consolidate before spawning, it might not be bad but it will cost you some idle time.
You let the bulk sub consolidate after full colonisation.
And dude, read more and use the search function...
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george castanza said:
I guess the real question is when is the cake fully colonized? Years ago, I spawned many brf cakes to bulk many times, sometimes when I didn't wait long enough, the center of the jar was not colonized. That is all that I am saying, make sure your substrate is fully colonized. No way to tell without opening your jar and crumbling your cake. I would rather let my cake go a few more days than to birth it too soon, but that is just me. I am speaking from experience on this one, not just regurgitating what I have read.
The information on the site supports my method. I'm waiting for the all the jars to colonize so I can birth them at the same time.
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said:
If you consolidate before spawning, it might not be bad but it will cost you some idle time.
You let the bulk sub consolidate after full colonisation.
I'll be birthing my cakes to substrate (Damiens Coir) with a 1/4inch layer of verm ontop and covering for 10 days.
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Edited by MR14 (01/10/12 04:07 AM)
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15643844 - 01/10/12 04:13 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Also I won't be crumbling my cakes, just birthing them as they are and covering with coir and a top layer of verm
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15672224 - 01/16/12 01:44 AM (4 months, 11 days ago) |
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Ok so it's been a while since an update. My last jar colonized in full about 2 days ago and has started to pin in the jar. I've covered it and set it aside till I get organised. I'll be preparing my coir and monotub tomorrow so I will def take photos and post them along the way.
Stay tuned 
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15680072 - 01/17/12 06:50 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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As promised, here's some pics to go off. 
Note: The drill is ancient, but it gets the job done 
Here's my mono. Drill bits cost $5
Lined the base of my monotub with a bag and covered the holes with duct tape.
Layed a base layer of 5mm coir and placed my cakes ontop. I needed to place my cakes closer together in the center so they would be covered by coir during my next step.
Cakes are covered (approx 10mm)
Finished up with a 5mm layer of verm ontop.
And then covered with a bag. I'm going to be leaving it for 10 days.
Thanks Shroomery. 
Edited by MR14 (01/17/12 10:58 PM)
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15680455 - 01/17/12 08:00 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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What kind of drill bit is that? I've been looking and can only find similar ones that cost ~$40
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: Forager]
#15681443 - 01/17/12 10:46 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I can't find the packaging so I don't have the exact name for you but they came in a set of 4. The guy at the store tried to sell me a kit for $16 but luckily I spotted the ones they had in the corner for $4.50. They also had singular ones for metal at $25+. Have a look around it was the cheapest (53mm)
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15713548 - 01/24/12 07:34 PM (4 months, 2 days ago) |
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Ok so I'm approaching 10 days now. I've been thinking about the grow & how I'll have trouble checking to see if my tub is fully colonized because of the top verm layer I put ontop. Should I just flip the entire substrate and introduce fruiting conditions after the 10 days? I.e treat it like a BRF cake?
Any help is appreciated, thanks
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15724009 - 01/27/12 06:27 AM (4 months, 10 hours ago) |
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I put gloves on and sanitized, I've broken up the mycelium and mixed everything up. I'm going to leave it for another 10days and hope my mono is ready to fruit by then. Thanks Shroomery
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15732384 - 01/29/12 02:57 AM (3 months, 29 days ago) |
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Just had a glance at the tub I mixed up and it's colonizing now I can physically see it. Can't wait until fruiting stage, Will likely be ready in a little over a weeks time. Will update with photos when available. Thanks
P.S Feel free to ask any questions along the way, will reply asap
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15801055 - 02/12/12 11:00 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Okay I checked my tub yesterday as I had plans on fruiting and noticed contams. I reacted quickly and decided to cut out the contams while feeding them into a vacuum cleaner and sucked them right out; sprayed the crater with isopropyl and filled with verm just to be safe.
Here is some photos of the contams I spotted and removed:
And an update of today's progress:
I've removed the tape now and filled with Polyfill (Hobyfill at Spotlight for those in AUS) and have a light fixture set up so they grow in an upward direction.
Feel free to add any comments, I consulted with a friend who recommended me remove the contams quickly with the vacuum method rather than throw my entire tub out. I hope my grow will do a complete 360 and deliver results.
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15801257 - 02/12/12 11:55 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thoughts ???!
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15801553 - 02/13/12 01:59 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Those with experience can you offer some input at this point?
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15801590 - 02/13/12 02:16 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hey man  İ think : you are doing very good so far ... You dont need a input. İts all seeming clear and nice ... Good good
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: Hate]
#15801877 - 02/13/12 06:13 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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You should have broken up the cakes before spawning them to the bulk sub. Also, what is that that you put over the cakes? It looks really dry, or like vermiculate or something? I assumed it was more coir, but it doesn't look the same.
Don't know what to tell you about the contams... I couldn't see um in the pics. Just be more careful next time. 
I'm putting my mini BRF mono into fruiting on friday. She looks good so far. Can't wait to see your mature fruits.
Edit: I see what you did with the verm, I just wasn't paying attention. For future reference, it's not completely necessary to have a top layer. And a top layer of pure vermiculate will confuse you because it has virtually no nutrients, and thus, will take forever to colonize. If you do a search on the top layer, a lot of users will say don't even bother.
Here's a very recent thread on just that: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15800732/page/1
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Edited by trophycase (02/13/12 07:04 AM)
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: trophycase]
#15803588 - 02/13/12 02:29 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Okay well should I pick the verm off the top layer ??
I was advised against breaking up the cakes before spawning as I could be introducing contaminants. I have polyfill in the holes with a light fixture above my monotub, Should my fruits grow now?
I need all the help I can get at the moment. I did notice however my substrate after I cut out the contams wasn't colonized (even after 2 weeks).
Never the less, hopefully my fruits do grow. I'll know for next time what to do or not do, but I'd still like to see this grow succeed. Thanks
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15803947 - 02/13/12 03:43 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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The slow colonization is most likely a result of having the whole cakes in there without crumbling, unless the moisture or something in your substrate is slightly off. Your fruits should grow no problem. They have already started forming, so if you keep the conditions right, they should be edible.
I wouldn't scoop the layer off now that everything's underway. You're as fine as you're going to be as is I think. Any more tampering is probably just going to hurt you. Let it do its thing!
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: trophycase]
#15804208 - 02/13/12 04:29 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Ok trophycase thanks for the input 
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: MR14]
#15805492 - 02/13/12 07:57 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Oh, and I forgot to say that contams are not too much of a problem when crumbling if you're careful and you pasturize your coir properly. I have a BRF to coir monotub that I did that way. Here is a picture of it on day 8 of colonization with a 1:2 spawn ratio: 
I'm gonna post again when I fruit it, but you get the idea. I have to say though, this is the first time I've done a BRF monotub, so don't consider me an expert. It's just what I thought would be the best option based on my reading, and it has worked great so far. Just birth the jars directly into a ziplock to break them up. Then they're just like grain spawn.
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Re: MR14 Grow Log / Redspore [Re: trophycase]
#15817240 - 02/16/12 04:08 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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