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i get annoyed when my best friend says dude while your tripping do go out on the balcony you might jump off and dont go near the pool cuz you ight drown im like how fucking powerfull drugs do you really think im taking

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i get annoyed when my best friend says dude while your tripping do go out on the balcony you might jump off and dont go near the pool cuz you ight drown im like how fucking powerfull drugs do you really think im taking

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At high doses, sometimes you get epiphanies that are irresistible tidal waves of magnified thought.  Hope that if you get one, it is not harmful to your health because I've had these drugs engage the automatic pilot button.

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If this thread continues, which would be interesting since joemolloy is here, there should be a difference maker set:

-low/moderate common recreational doses *a hit or 2 of acid, 3.5g cubes, etc
-high (possibly recreational..) doses *a thumbprint, superhuasca, 10g cubes, etc

I've never gotten so psychotic to the point some of you have because I've just never taken that much before - just like most people looking for a normal trip.  Have yet to really do DMT, and most acid was estimated 5-600 mics at once, and for shrooms, 4g.  If you wanna count 25i (not bad I do say..) 1.1mg.  Maybe slightly higher than the novice tripper, but nothing too heroic yet either.  I'm getting to that.

This just applies to some of the "lies" because obviously some of those "crazy lies" may actually seem real if you're seriously on a shitload of psychs

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"Ecstacy makes holes in your brain"
"LSD is made in a bathtub"
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i get annoyed when my best friend says dude while your tripping do go out on the balcony you might jump off and dont go near the pool cuz you ight drown im like how fucking powerfull drugs do you really think im taking

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At high doses, sometimes you get epiphanies that are irresistible tidal waves of magnified thought.  Hope that if you get one, it is not harmful to your health because I've had these drugs engage the automatic pilot button.

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If this thread continues, which would be interesting since joemolloy is here, there should be a difference maker set:

-low/moderate common recreational doses *a hit or 2 of acid, 3.5g cubes, etc
-high (possibly recreational..) doses *a thumbprint, superhuasca, 10g cubes, etc

I've never gotten so psychotic to the point some of you have because I've just never taken that much before - just like most people looking for a normal trip.  Have yet to really do DMT, and most acid was estimated 5-600 mics at once, and for shrooms, 4g.  If you wanna count 25i (not bad I do say..) 1.1mg.  Maybe slightly higher than the novice tripper, but nothing too heroic yet either.  I'm getting to that.

This just applies to some of the "lies" because obviously some of those "crazy lies" may actually seem real if you're seriously on a shitload of psychs

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There are plenty of trippers on this forum who only indulge with high doses.  Its the only way to fly with some of us because the rewards are unspeakably beautiful if the planets align and you get there.  Listen, at low doses these drugs are literally toys.  Fun for kids with wide-eyed wonder and giggles.  Once you start ratcheting up your metric scale, all the so-called "myths" in this thread come very close to reality either literally or figuratively.  The public is not as ignorant as many of you think.  In fact, their assessment is often uncomfortably close to the truth.

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There are plenty of trippers on this forum who only indulge with high doses.  Its the only way to fly with some of us because the rewards are unspeakably beautiful if the planets align and you get there.  Listen, at low doses these drugs are literally toys.  Fun for kids with wide-eyed wonder and giggles.  Once you start ratcheting up your metric scale, all the so-called "myths" in this thread come very close to reality either literally or figuratively.  The public is not as ignorant as many of you think.  In fact, their assessment is often uncomfortably close to the truth.

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I'm just saying man, there is a difference between the people that do high doses like that and the people that take "normal" doses.  There isn't even a point to this thread in the first place if we start taking it there, so why don't we keep it rational and discuss the more practical "lies"

For giggles we can make another thread of "what are some of the worst psychedelic truths?" for you insane joemolloys out there.  i guess it would be the same...... but the point is most of shroomery is aware that there is a difference between colors and giggles, vs. ego-obliterating send offs to infinity.  i haven't been there (yet), but i can imagine the intensity is much higher than where i've been

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There are plenty of trippers on this forum who only indulge with high doses.  Its the only way to fly with some of us because the rewards are unspeakably beautiful if the planets align and you get there.  Listen, at low doses these drugs are literally toys.  Fun for kids with wide-eyed wonder and giggles.  Once you start ratcheting up your metric scale, all the so-called "myths" in this thread come very close to reality either literally or figuratively.  The public is not as ignorant as many of you think.  In fact, their assessment is often uncomfortably close to the truth.

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true, but is the propaganda aimed at experienced acid heads who eat tenstrips like candy? or the teenies running around eating a couple tabs to try it out? my guess is the latter and under the influence of a couple tabs i've never felt the urge to jump off anything or think i can fly. and for those who do, in the words of bill hicks "what a dick, why not start from the ground first?"

i think maybe if someone inexperienced took a large dose they might do something really stupid like that, but most people dosing that high are experienced and can generally talk themselves down from stupid ideas. as for the others taking smaller doses, i don't see much of a risk. the problem with the propaganda is that they state it like it's common. i don't deny the existence of every danger the media portrays... but when you go around preaching the inevitable dangers of psychosis and flashbacks from using drugs like LSD you'd think we'd see a much higher rate of middle aged americans running around in their underwear afraid to tip over and spill themselves we see heroin/crack addicts all over the city streets, but where are all those 60s acid burnouts we're all so convinced about? not saying there's none of them but, given the popularity of the drug, the amount of people experiencing the effects described by D.A.R.E. and abovetheinfluence.org are few of the many who've taken it

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The difference between a medium trip and an overwhelmingly nearly psychotic trip is often a few milligrams, some bad luck, and your particular digestive efficiency that day.  Many people get more than they bargained for and too often these unfortunate events are the stuff that the public latches onto.  Keep tripping on medium doses and the probability of becoming the stuff of "myth" increases.

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i mean it's happened to me but it wasnt the end of the world just a very rough experience but at no point did i feel the need to jump out my window nor do i have a string of recurring flashbacks that last the rest of my life that i'm aware of. plus you're speaking of Ayahuasca which is fairly uncommon for newbie psychonauts. the difference between mushroom levels is not a few milligrams, and most LSD out there is intentionally diluted.

even in the few cases where you get too much, like me, it's not the difference between +++ and the end of the world. i was expecting a nice mid range +++ but ended up dipping into ++++ territory. ego was splitting. went completely bipolar for a while. was too hot/too cold. too happy/too sad. to top it off i was in a terrible setting. i was the most utterly terrifying experience of my life. i don't honestly think anything could be that uncomfortable and scary again. it was that bad. but i woke up feeling like a million bucks and have never regretted it. i'm not denying that things like that don't shake up some people. but i feel it's not that common to seriously overdo by accident it in the first place, and even less common for people to lose it afterwards. for the kids who decide to drop 5-7 hits their first time, i have no sympathy. but anywhere in the 1-3 range for decent quality stuff generally won't have serious impact on a first timer.

and once again, i'm not ignorant enough to say it doesn't happen. but when i look at the massive amount of people i know who have used these drugs and the fact that not one of them has suffered serious consequence from it, i think it's safe to say it's not nearly as common as the media would have people think. don't some people not have the proper enzymes to process alcohol? why don't we hear about that in the news? because everyone drinks alcohol anyways and few of us actually know people with that condition. if it were an illegal drug i bet you that'd be part of their campaign though.

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The difference between a medium trip and an overwhelmingly nearly psychotic trip is often a few milligrams, some bad luck, and your particular digestive efficiency that day.  Many people get more than they bargained for and too often these unfortunate events are the stuff that the public latches onto.  Keep tripping on medium doses and the probability of becoming the stuff of "myth" increases.

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i mean it's happened to me but it wasnt the end of the world just a very rough experience but at no point did i feel the need to jump out my window nor do i have a string of recurring flashbacks that last the rest of my life that i'm aware of. plus you're speaking of Ayahuasca which is fairly uncommon for newbie psychonauts. the difference between mushroom levels is not a few milligrams, and most LSD out there is intentionally diluted.

even in the few cases where you get too much, like me, it's not the difference between +++ and the end of the world. i was expecting a nice mid range +++ but ended up dipping into ++++ territory. ego was splitting. went completely bipolar for a while. was too hot/too cold. too happy/too sad. to top it off i was in a terrible setting. i was the most utterly terrifying experience of my life. i don't honestly think anything could be that uncomfortable and scary again. it was that bad. but i woke up feeling like a million bucks and have never regretted it. i'm not denying that things like that don't shake up some people. but i feel it's not that common to seriously overdo by accident it in the first place, and even less common for people to lose it afterwards. for the kids who decide to drop 5-7 hits their first time, i have no sympathy. but anywhere in the 1-3 range for decent quality stuff generally won't have serious impact on a first timer.

and once again, i'm not ignorant enough to say it doesn't happen. but when i look at the massive amount of people i know who have used these drugs and the fact that not one of them has suffered serious consequence from it, i think it's safe to say it's not nearly as common as the media would have people think. don't some people not have the proper enzymes to process alcohol? why don't we hear about that in the news? because everyone drinks alcohol anyways and few of us actually know people with that condition. if it were an illegal drug i bet you that'd be part of their campaign though.

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I think if you're intelligent enough to know HOW to dose, and also intelligent enough to know going balls deep your first time could be dangerous, you'll be like the 90+% that just has a fun trip your first time rather than a psychotic "I think I can fly!" experience

It's the reason I haven't done Aya/DMT yet.  Cuz my psychonaut mind is still too lazy, lol.  Not to mention you don't buy that stuff on the streets.  I went over to dmt-nexus once and read the reasons they DON'T condone the sale of DMT - because it IS dangerous to the inexperienced mind explorers.  They say if you don't put the time in to make it yourself, you probably won't be able to handle what it's showing you.

Most psych noobs aren't so stupid to think they can handle it all, and will start with a normal recreational dose.  Again a hit, or a few, of lsd, or like 2g shrooms.  My first shroom trip was 2g, first acid trip less than 200 mics.  If you aren't a complete fool these dosages shouldn't make you insane after one experience.  And the people that "accidentally" eat too much... how???  Again that's usually due to a foolish mistake.. it's not the LSD chemists fault if some 16 y.o. kid thinks he can fly after eating a 10-strip.  Shoulda started with one... that's why they dose them individually like that, and call them "doses" lol

I can see why the public would latch onto these bad stories.. because it's part of the agenda to keep these illegal.

I'll at least tell you one thing that absolutely positively isn't a lie.  I love LSD.  One day I may regret this, one day I may go insane, one day.... but right now, I can say I love LSD, and I have my head screwed on straight still, even though I'm a bit more "hip" now than before

That's something you'll never here in the public.  "extreme actually enjoyed his first trip with lsd!  and each subsequent trip for years!"

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It's the reason I haven't done Aya/DMT yet.  Cuz my psychonaut mind is still too lazy, lol.  Not to mention you don't buy that stuff on the streets.  I went over to dmt-nexus once and read the reasons they DON'T condone the sale of DMT - because it IS dangerous to the inexperienced mind explorers.  They say if you don't put the time in to make it yourself, you probably won't be able to handle what it's showing you.

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DMT-nexus is a crock of bullshit in my opinion. Just a bunch of fanatics trying to sanctify their favorite drug. I'm having this problem with my dealer right now. He doesn't want to sell it because people are "using it to get fucked up and not for it's spiritual purposes." Well go figure, it's a drug and not everyone buys into this neo-spiritual movement. Nexus will crucify you if you mention buying DMT. They'll tell you you'll be inhaling plumes of naptha into your lungs, as if i should trust my Gen Chem 1 knowledge over the people who've been making this stuff for a years

And this stuff about not being ready for DMT, hell that was my first real psychedelic drug. Everyone overplays the intensity of this drug. It's definitely INTENSE, but it's very gentle at the same time. It's not a mindrape like acid or anything. I can't speak for Aya, but freebase DMT is just wonderful in every way and not the least bit intimidating imo. Honestly if anyone can handle an acid trip i think DMT should be a walk in the park.

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Did you have a breakthrough experience on DMT yet, JacksonMetaller?  It doesn't sound like it.  DMT breakthroughs have the same power, intensity, and What The FUCK as the moment your mom gave birth to you.  Its on that level of insane strangeness and foreign explosiveness.  It turns into a different drug at high doses with zero similarity or connection to the sub-breakthrough dose.

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i've gotten REALLY REALLY close. like my room was gone and the fractal veil was starting to tear apart but unfortunately ran out of DMT at that point and couldn't launch through it. you're right i should have been more specific, but i don't think it's a drug people should be so intimidated to play around with is what i'm getting at. it's easy to regulate doseage and keep it low, high, whatever and work your way from there. at this point i would have absolutely no fear of launching myself into hyperspace as even at the doses i've been playing with my ego has been nearly completely dissolved.

man i need to get me some more of this. what you're describing is very tempting