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 Marujaan
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 Curse of the herb 
#15803213 - 02/13/12 01:09 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Edited by Marujaan (03/28/12 10:50 AM)
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 redart
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 Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15803265 - 02/13/12 01:18 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Awesome post. I think that you're trying to self-regulate, which is cool. It means you're simply wanting more from life. Anyone who strives for the same high day after day will soon come to a point where the constant 'wanting' for something which provides no real connection with friends and family, well, he/she becomes bored. Get a new perspective on life by replacing weed with, oh I don't know... exercise? Psilocybin also gives great changes of perspective. Go in a new direction.
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happymealplease
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: redart]
#15804868 - 02/13/12 06:19 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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This is pretty awful advice, but I ended up in the same situation as you at one point. Was into drugs then wanted out, but all the friends I had hung around for a couple years were druggies so it made it pretty easy to keep falling back into it. A few of them were understanding but the majority of them got pretty angry with me. Never said anything judgmental towards them, just that I didn't want to get high anymore. Ended up distancing myself from them. The next year was a real crappy period but I feel like I'm better off, a gym routine, reading more, hanging out with old friends (some who are still around and are really good people). Difficult process but if you want it then it's worth pursuing.
Ah, about getting off weed. I have no clue how to ease the cravings. They stuck around for a long time with me. Months after I quit I'd open drawers in my house where noone ever smoked pot and I'd get huge whiffs. Sniff again and the smell wasn't actually there, it's like my brain was just firing off the scent because my body or something wanted it so badly. It happened EVERYWHERE. The first few times I tried quitting I tried doing a taper off, ie. instead of smoking six bowls a day I'd plan to just smoke three for a few days, then two, but it never worked. I'd get high then end up smoking up at every opportunity during the rest of the day anyway. Only way I found I was able to get out was to get out completely. First week like that was pretty bad, really agitated and irritable, no energy whatsoever, poor sleep quality, really weird week. Gradually got better though. Even now, five years later, I still occasionally find myself longing to get high, but I think that's more nostalgia than actual cravings. And, just to say it, when I have given into the longing and gotten high (which has only happened three times over the last five years), it isn't what I thought it would be, and I only end up disappointed in myself.
I'd wish you luck but it isn't about that. Crack your own whip, noone can push you as hard as you can.
Edited by happymealplease (02/13/12 06:26 PM)
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Marujaan
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to isolate from these weedfriends is pretty difficult, even if i stay home, they still end up by my door with a joint in hand and to say no to that.....yea, u get the point. I've said many times to them that it is time for me to stop this daily smoking and their response varies from " oh, nice.." ; " are you insane? U can manage life with smoking mj too, u just need to get a grip" and some'd say "dude, not cool". The point that I want more in life ia true, i cant even remember the last time when I was pleased with anything that was going on in my life. Weed for me is the Devil's herb, a few years ago I thought that MDMA is the devil. But no...weed came in disguise lol. Im constantly trying to change from this stonedness, but weed puts me back in the same stonedness. Furthermore, i will change my cellphone's number soon, so i can manage the first week without my stonerfriends and maybe even say that i am going on a so called "vacation". I am sooooooo tired by the weed, i miss the active, happy ambitious me....
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15806784 - 02/14/12 01:52 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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You have to man up brother. Don't be afraid to say no. I know it's hard, nobody wants to let there friends down, but it's gonna happen. You don't have to tell them you are going to stop, you don't have to tell them anything-period! But if you must just tell them you are taking a short break or make up a lie and tell them you have a fucked up tooth and you can't smoke right now. Trust me man, once you go through it and you start to sober up, you will feel like a kid at chukie cheese, fucking awesome and all happy and playful and shit. Once you are sober it will be easier to say no because you will feel too awesome to take anything else. It doesn't get any higher than natural highs. Not even psyches can beat these long states of well balanced happiness. You can do it, you have the strength it's just taking a nap at the moment. Wake it up and use it.
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Just stop smoking pot, tell your friends no. If they insist just ditch them, if they pressure you after you've explained the situation, they aren't good friends anyway.
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Othyem]
#15807164 - 02/14/12 06:23 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Try to remember the first time you smoked. Wasn't it amazing ? You can rediscover weed again, all you have to do is to quit smoking for a while
Taking a break can be long and annoying, yes. It's hard to get sleep at night and sometimes you'll just feel bored out of your mind but being sober is quite the experience too  It'll probably be hard the first few days but just wait for a week or two and you won't even be thinking about it anymore!
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15807261 - 02/14/12 07:03 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I love the weed too, but even good things have their bad side and weed is no exception. You'll probably have some mild insomnia and irritability along with the cravings, but they'll subside soon. I don't know what to tell about keeping busy, but that is key when taking a successful break from it. Try to find a hobby or activity you enjoy doing and throw yourself into it for a while. Good luck!
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15807355 - 02/14/12 07:49 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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> Ahh....the cravings are awful. How to ease them? How to get my mind off weed? Cause it is always thinking about the herb
I smoked daily for over ten years. I "tried" to quit a few times during that time span. Like you, the longest I went without smoking was around a week. Eventually, smoking lost the magic. I was smoking more and more without getting any high in return. My motivation was low, I was coughing all the time, my memory was crap... so, I decided to quit, for real.
Once my last bag was empty, I went cold turkey. The cravings built up over a two week period, then started to taper away. The two week mark was when things started getting easier. Unfortunately, there were some withdrawal symptoms that I was not expecting. The biggest of these was insomnia coupled with really nasty dreams. The worst of these peaked around the two month mark, and were completely gone by the three month mark. I used a lot of Benedryl during this time, just to get some sleep. It took around a year for my memory to improve and around two years for my cough to completely go away.
Another thing I was not expecting was the sheer boredom that I had to relieve. When I was smoking, time flew by. Once I stopped, time seemed to come to a crawl. I ended up joining a running club for something to do. I wanted an activity that would get me away from other smokers and that my success would depend upon me staying clean. I started running 5k races, then 10k, then half marathon, got involved with swimming/biking, started running triathlons, and never looked back.
I still get the occasional craving to smoke, but they are short lived and easy to avoid. I've smoked a few times when friends offered something, but I refuse to purchase anything for myself; I'm afraid of falling back into the trap of daily smoking.
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Marujaan
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Seuss]
#15807508 - 02/14/12 08:51 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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About the cravings, they are sooo sneaky and sometimes they even trick me lol. The cravings show themselves very unexpected and then they build up and sometimes are pretty nasty. I've heard that the cravings last for 5 years approx. But the loudness of the cravings decreases by time n stops at the 5 year mark. Is this true? Or more individual?
Well, as for to occupy myself with an activity, i play the piano and that is an activity that produces a good feeling. I could take deeper look into the piano stuff and learn a new difficult etude maybe.
Excercise? That would be a good idea, but i find myself skipping excercise after some time in the gym.
I have a very strange memory, a really short-spanned short memory and a pretty good longterm memory( i hope its called like that). I dont feel so sharp in the mind anymore and studying has become harder. The last year in school i smoked everyday, studied high and could manage, but now? Hell no. I have such hard time keeping myself motivated for school. From this everyday smokin, I feel like my brain is in fog and lacks oxygen, Cause of that i am feelin quite dizzy all the time, permastone-like feeling. Feeling a constant buzz all the time.
Oh and about insomnia and dreams, I have a hard time falling to sleep when im sober and i dream really fucked up dreams, syrreal and I drea, about getting weed, sometimes smoking it. Or nightmares about getting busted by cops......horrific.
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15807538 - 02/14/12 09:01 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Haha I've had those same nightmares about getting busted by cops after I quit smoking too 
Actually I don't find the intense dreams to be that bad, you should look into lucid dreaming, being conscious while you're dreaming is such a special feeling and it's a good way to make them become an advantage!
As for the cravings.. Only you can say, try taking long walks outside, listen to music, hit your gym.. It's up to you really!
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Marujaan
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Well lucid dreaming is fun, I've had some experience with it, but i find myself very traumatized with the dreams, especially busted themed dreams.
Can weed produce permanent brain damage?
How long does a person recover from it completely?
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15807784 - 02/14/12 10:18 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I don't think weed causes permanent brain damage...but I'm not a doctor and haven't looked too much into it. What's done is done right? Don't worry about that. I've heard differing stories on how long it takes to fully recover from the psychological pull of weed. Most people I'm around say 1 to 2 years but everyone is different.
It's been over a year since I quit and I still feel the urge from time to time. When I first stopped I got real intense, vivid using dreams...like I would feel the high as if I was actually smoking. Apart from the occasional using dream, I actually found I sleep better without weed. At first it's harder to get to sleep, but once asleep I sleep more soundly. But yeah, like everyone else said...you need a hobby. You need something to do with your time and it's probably a good idea to find people to start hanging out with who don't smoke as much.
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Marujaan
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Yeaa, weed takes away the REM sleep, the dream-state, but the REM sleep rejuvenates the brain and refreshes it. I think that's why u started to enjoy sleep without MJ.
I'll get my new bong in a few days, that's bad.....'Cause it'll make me smoke lol...very temptating to try it out
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happymealplease
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Marujaan]
#15808317 - 02/14/12 12:57 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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You want to quit and you're getting a new bong? Is it coming in from somewhere or are you planning on heading out to pick it up? Cuz either way, if you really want to quit, you'd find a way to NOT have the bong. Even if it meant tossing it. I had a badass glass bong that was designed to look like the Grim Reaper. I intentionally broke it to remove my chance of smoking alone. It's extreme yeah but you gotta do what you gotta do... if you really want to do it.
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Yeah that's maybe not the best way to go.. It's like if you wanted to abstain from masturbation but said " Oh well I'm still gonna watch this porn, even if it's probably gonna make me want to jerk off.. "
The best thing is to do be honest with yourself.. I personally think it's very hard to quit anything unless you 100% want to Good luck either way!
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Marujaan
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I cant avoid the bong, its not mine and its ordered n I need to pick it up.
One good thing is that the MJ in my town, it's quality has dropped kinda and mostly u get MJ which has been sprayed with something to make it weigh more, i hate that. Once i packed my pipe with a nice nug, but it was sprayed weed......the nug exploded lol
I will pick up some new piano sheets today and start learning a new song. Once i consulted a man, who treats addictions and i told him my drug story n such. He started to ask very weird questions like "When u see a rainbow, what emotions do u get?" and "if you hear birds singing, does that cheer u up?"....as for the conclusion, he told me that drug users vary from cold users and warm users.
Cold users are those, who dont get hooked easily or even never, they are the ones, whose mood is medium all the time and are somewhat cold-like
Warm users are those who are everyday in a very good mood, constantly happy and very chill people, who laugh and who find little stuff to be very cheering. I myself goes into that group. But he told me that i have it in my genes the addiction thing and that I get more from drugs and overall stuff then others, the amplitude of the pleasure i feel is higher than other's and by that i have a higher need for pleasure. Weird isnt it? He told me that if i try opiates, then im doomed forever. No coming back. Im kinda prone to addictions. And he told me that i will never become a hardcore junkie, because I want constantly more from life and yearn for new things all time....
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Edited by Marujaan (02/15/12 12:33 AM)
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#15811956 - 02/15/12 02:00 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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Re: Curse of the herb [Re: Mufungo]
#15813317 - 02/15/12 11:12 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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As a daily cannabis user this topic hits close to home for me as well, so I will share a few thoughts about it. I smoke very frequently, multiple times per day, but it took me a while to find a "groove" that worked with my lifestyle. What I mean by that is, my sessions don't consist of me sucking down huge bowls of dank to the face.. I usually start the day with two big hits.. let myself come down completely before smoking again. Then when I start back, I take one huge hit, hold it in 10-15 seconds and exhale. Baked for 2 hours until the next hit.
It will allow you to gradually lower your tolerance where you aren't smoking as much, which will mean less lethargy and burn out. You will also be getting RIPPED each and every time you take a hit.. because your receptors won't be getting bombarded with THC every 20 minutes. Overall it will be much more enjoyable, you won't have to deprave yourself of something you enjoy, and can still maintain your daily activities.
I used to take tolerance breaks for several days, maybe up to a week at a time trying to reduce it and "clear my head" after smoking too much in a short period of time. Instead of that, now I just keep my tolerance down, stay high all day (more or less), and don't suffer from the appetite loss and other miserable stuff I used to experience on these tolerance breaks.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing, you can stay stoned and happy without burning yourself out. Hope this helps, I'm sure others will mention this as well. I know your thinking more along the lines of quitting altogether, but I guess my point is that you may not have to deprave yourself of a good thing if you can get a good routine going.
Another big up-side is your sack of green lasts much longer too. I should also add that I have been smoking frequently like this for about 2 years, have noticed absolutely no decreases in memory or general functionality, and even feel like cannabis has greatly improved my quality of life.
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Edited by TheJollyRancher (02/15/12 11:17 AM)
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