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 Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day 
#15802000 - 02/13/12 07:20 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I was wondering what the shroomery's opinion of this video is.
Im perplexed at how people like this guy manage to get into a position of power.
This man is crazy.
Organised religion really grinds my gears. The pope is just as guilty as this chap.
Im all for relegion, but i dont understand why it has to be a centralised money making machine that tells u how to live your life.
Relegious officials have no more connection to 'god' than the next guy.
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 koraks
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 Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: spazmodog]
#15802033 - 02/13/12 07:39 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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spazmodog said:
Im all for relegion, but i dont understand why it has to be a centralised money making machine that tells u how to live your life.
Relegious officials have no more connection to 'god' than the next guy.
I haven't watched the video, so what I'm going to say is a general observation. I think you're missing the point if you describe Islam as a "centralised money making machine". I think so for two reasons:
1. Practice of Islam is heavily decentralized: interpretation of the Qur'an and the formulation of 'laws' (guidelines for what is halal and what is haram) occurs in a decentralized fashion (save for a handful of 'fixed' rules that are not debatable) and relies on debate; Islam in its pure form is very reminiscent of a democratic system.
2. In particular Islam warns against making excess profits and forbids 'riba' (interest). These 'laws' are applied loosely in practice, and interpretations differ (see point above), but as central themes, they still stand.
What you say is very applicable to Catholicism though. I'm trying to think of more religions for which your statement would be appropriate, but Christianity stands out.
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: koraks]
#15802070 - 02/13/12 07:55 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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koraks said:
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spazmodog said:
Im all for relegion, but i dont understand why it has to be a centralised money making machine that tells u how to live your life.
Relegious officials have no more connection to 'god' than the next guy.
I haven't watched the video, so what I'm going to say is a general observation. I think you're missing the point if you describe Islam as a "centralised money making machine". I think so for two reasons:
1. Practice of Islam is heavily decentralized: interpretation of the Qur'an and the formulation of 'laws' (guidelines for what is halal and what is haram) occurs in a decentralized fashion (save for a handful of 'fixed' rules that are not debatable) and relies on debate; Islam in its pure form is very reminiscent of a democratic system.
2. In particular Islam warns against making excess profits and forbids 'riba' (interest). These 'laws' are applied loosely in practice, and interpretations differ (see point above), but as central themes, they still stand.
What you say is very applicable to Catholicism though. I'm trying to think of more religions for which your statement would be appropriate, but Christianity stands out.
Thanks for pointing that out  nice reply
i wasnt entirely clued up on the structure of islam. I was (wrongly) basing my post off what i know about christainity. Organised relegion to me just seems to be missing the point. I dont beleive there is any need for it.
although as u said, islam is not centralised, the guy on the this video is still talking as much shit as some of the crazier members on this site. The only difference is he is up some sort of hierarchy as a result, and i wouldnt be suprised that if he gets money and bitches for his 'wisdom'
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: spazmodog] 1
#15802096 - 02/13/12 08:05 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Oh yeah, don't mistake my reply: I'm not saying that all practitioners of Islam are reasonable people. Far from it. But I think that (although perhaps unknowingly) you've hit the essence of the whole Christian-Muslim debate/trouble that we're seeing now. I'm referring to Christians/Western people being basically scared shitless by the nonsense some people blurt out under the flag of Islam. You know, what with infidels needing to be destroyed and gay people thrown off of high rise buildings. Us Westerners, being used to a largely centralized and relatively homogeneous religious system perceive the messages of these extremist retards as the 'voice of the Islam'. While in fact, they are only a voice that is (should be...) part of a larger debate. It's a voice that is in practice drowned by the millions of voices of more moderate Muslims, but that is amplified by sensation-hungry media. Perhaps Westerners should recognize that Islam itself thrives (should thrive...) on debate, and instead of trying to push the entire religion into one corner on the basis of a few mad men's ramblings, nurture a culture in which Muslims can work out the issues that they are confronted with. Things like homosexuality, the Western economic system, biotechnology etc. are all things that are pretty alien and sometimes new to the Muslim world (well...homosexual behavior is old; but the notion that it may be a genetic/physical trait is relatively new), and Muslims need to find a way of dealing with them. I'd recommend allowing them to work out ways to do so, and then intervene if those ways are irreconcilable with our Western values and laws. And perhaps we have one or two things to learn from the Muslims as well. Their financial system that is not based on interest has some aspects that could potentially make the Western economy more robust.
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: spazmodog]
#15802105 - 02/13/12 08:12 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Shocking isn't it 
Every VD, I see some new thing like what you've posted and laugh.
They do not want Western influence in any way, shape, or form.
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: koraks]
#15802118 - 02/13/12 08:18 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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nice points dude, i dont have much else to add.
so would u say it all boils down to a mutual fear and lack of understanding..?
which is reinforced by narrow-minded dogma on both sides i guess. but then again faith and dogma go hand in hand.
i guess peole need to just crawl out from whatever rock they are hiding behing and be a little more accepting. nice lesson for today!
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: riverdweller]
#15802139 - 02/13/12 08:26 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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riverdweller said:
They do not want Western influence in any way, shape, or form.
i dont know if u have heard of Al Shabaab, but they are a group of islamic militants that hold a large part of southern somallia. (currently at war with kenya, the somali govnt, eithopia and africa union troops)
they have been enforcing laws such as banning bras, because they are western and are deceptive and so against islam (as they see it  ). and have gone as far as publicly flogging women caught wearing them
theyve also banned gold and silver teeth, because they are a show of excess, western and so against islam. and have gone round pulling them from peoples mouths
theyve even banned samosas because they have connotations with the christian trinity as they are triangular shaped...
these guys are bat shit insane...
samosas are delecious!
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Edited by spazmodog (02/13/12 08:27 AM)
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: spazmodog]
#15802179 - 02/13/12 08:43 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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yep.
I wish Merica would get this. We are their ENEMY. They HATE what we are.
Our democratic society (our republic) will NEVER work for them. Their religion is their law PERIOD.
Sometime soon 911-type things will happen in America again. Anyone who doesn't believe that is not welcome in my camp.
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: riverdweller]
#15802211 - 02/13/12 08:54 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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riverdweller said:
yep.
I wish Merica would get this. We are their ENEMY. They HATE what we are.
Our democratic society (our republic) will NEVER work for them. Their religion is their law PERIOD.
Sometime soon 911-type things will happen in America again. Anyone who doesn't believe that is not welcome in my camp.
yes, relegious extreamism like this has to die if we are going to advance as a race, the way i look at it its only one step forward (if any) from the babaric world of yesteryear.
i guess peoples veiws on the world just need to evolve, i mean we really havnt come that far yet.
alternitivly we should just stay well out of each others way, america reacted exactly as the terrorists wanted on 9/11 the subsequent wars and ivasions is what osama or whoever wanted in order to rally more troops to the cause... and as long as the us in in the middle east there will be violence, same goes for the jews i guess....
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: spazmodog]
#15802249 - 02/13/12 09:05 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I liked that guy. Kinda makes you feel less threatened by Christianity ya know  You kidiots all bitch about Pastor Dan being such a hard ass. As if Christianity is the only faith telling people NOT To do something b/c of believe it flows against gods low.
Could be worse folks. You could be 12 and forced to watch this guy in the middle east 
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: Real CA Milk]
#15802301 - 02/13/12 09:21 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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uh what
i like kidiots though, i'm stealing that one.
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: spazmodog]
#15802365 - 02/13/12 09:42 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I don't think red pens get more expensive on Valentine's Day.
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Re: Muslim Cleric Condemns Valentines Day [Re: abltsandwich]
#15802504 - 02/13/12 10:30 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Anyone who condemns Valentines Day aint getting laid. Just sayin.
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