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lolwut
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Thoughts like water
#15801710 - 02/13/12 03:59 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I was doing some thinking today and considered thoughts are similar to water running down a mountain - water always takes the easiest way down the hill, without knowing what comes next and without taking any information about where it's been.
It's like, thought is related to what you are and what you're doing, and your memories of course, and it flows freely, almost always consistently with no gaps (apart from meditations/psychedelics etc), taking the "easiest" way to explain or account for what's happening in front of the body.
For example: A scientist "studying" a glass of water will be able to explain almost automatically the principles behind why the top of the water surface curves the way it does, and will know about surface tension, the bonding between the individual molecules in the water, and so on. An average joe would have a much less complex explanation - because he doesn't have the memories required to understand water in that way. In other words the "thought-track" is different for both the scientist and the average joe.
Traumatic experiences can have significant effect on thought, they can make new "ruts" for the thoughts to easily flow by (can be unwanted). For example a person who survives a car accident, might have thoughts flow down that "traumatic memory rut" if they see a car similar to the one that hit them.
Other experiences can make new "trails" - for example, having sex the first time makes a new trail or rut in the mind for later reference, where thoughts will flow more easily after the fact.
Certain things are self-enveloping and self perpetuating, like a whirlpool where water goes around and around. For example, religions, which give a solid framework for people to build their lives, beliefs, etc on. In cases like this, if someone pointed out an irrational paradox in someone's religious beliefs, for the religious person it would be easier to cancel out that one person rather than adopt a whole new belief system, so they will take it as a test of faith or something - that is, their thoughts will flow down one of their religion's "fail-safe" methods of keeping people inside the religion. This also shows some circuits can be "clung" to, that is, the religious person is clinging to their religion, because it is simpler for them.
Some thoughts leave imprints/ruts/circuits, which are activated whenever the person is in a situation which requires them (thought flows the easiest route). The biggest example I could think of is the "I" thought, which has been imprinted on all of us, multiple times a day, since we were born. Taking the "I" thought as real, that is, as a stable, consistent thought-track is what leads to a lot of unneccessary suffering in people, because people become that track - "I want this" "I think this" "I am this" and so on. And that track is activated pretty much whenever you talk to someone since they all have an idea of who/what you are, who they are, and most believe their ideas, since most believe they are they "I" thought, they project their own ideas of you, you both act in an according way, and reinforce both people's "I" thought.
So everyone is going around with their thoughts flowing like water, with circuits getting activated (drugs, experiences), certain circuits being clung to, certain ideas or ideologies (I/ego/religion) being ingrained in the conciousness for easier flowing later, and certain self-perpetuating structures (religion/cults) appearing and dissapearing depending on the person's exposure and experiences.
Personally I've found it somewhat liberating to realise that every thought, including thoughts about who or what I am, what I'm doing here, why I'm doing here, etc, are just "phases" of thought that arise in the right circumstances. Nothing to cling to since there was nothing there to begin with, aside from the formations and shapes that the water/thoughts make as they flow from life to death. So go with the flow 
Sometimes in a river there will be little mini transitory whirlpools or swirls of water which are there, without a solid form (water passing through them consistently is what gives them shape), and this is what I consider thought-formations to be like - they have substance only because the thoughts flowing through them give them shape. Blink and then they are gone.
-------------------- To be an angel, you gotta earn your wings
To control your own, you gotta burn your strings
To hit blackjack, you gotta turn a king
But to live forever, all you gotta do is learn to sing
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Re: Thoughts like water [Re: lolwut]
#15801916 - 02/13/12 06:30 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Great analogy 
Everything tends towards equilibrium/stasis. It goes to follow that if you could make a certain mode of thinking to be an easier path for the stream to flow through then the doors would be open for hardcore brain programming. Reminds me of Neuro-Linguistic Programming and on the more gritty side, "Monarch mind control" (i.e. using intense and continuous trauma to split the psyche of a person into multiple programmable personalities).
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