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 psilocybin vs psilocin extraction 
#15801202 - 02/12/12 11:39 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hello, I am new to this forum, but not to the subject. Hope this is the proper place for this question. I am quite familiar with extracting psilocybin from mushrooms. I have always used a methanol extraction and recrystallization to produce nearly pure psilocybin. I have been reading some techniques that convert the product directly to pure psilocin. I am aware of the chemistry, know they are basically the same besides slightly different dosages needed, also that psilocin doesn't store as long. what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: zxbrian10r]
#15801238 - 02/12/12 11:49 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: zxbrian10r]
#15801611 - 02/13/12 02:26 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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zxbrian10r said:
Hello, I am new to this forum, but not to the subject. Hope this is the proper place for this question. I am quite familiar with extracting psilocybin from mushrooms. I have always used a methanol extraction and recrystallization to produce nearly pure psilocybin. I have been reading some techniques that convert the product directly to pure psilocin. I am aware of the chemistry, know they are basically the same besides slightly different dosages needed, also that psilocin doesn't store as long. what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness.
If you want to extract the psilocybin and psilocin, put dried mushrooms in hot tea for 30 minutes. I doubt that adding awhole bunch of chemicals can be healthy, and I would view it as dangerous. Psilocybin extraction was a common practice before the hobby evolved and there is a rather fun TEK out there which describes the process.
Making mushroom tea is probably the best bet. Thats what I think.
"what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness."
This is a fundamental hallucinogen junkie question (no harm meant), the trips "quality" or "visuals" are all very subjective. Psilocybin will not serve you dinner by itself and provide you with "a good trip", you have to provide this yourself.
Using psychadelics in a irresponsible manner is dangerous, I would know. Consider this example; can you withstand being mind-fucked for 4-8 hours? WOuld you be able to withstand a higher dose than expected?
At higher dosages, Psilocybin causes muscle weakness and tremors and other unpleasant physical symtoms, which can be very debilitating and horrifying considering that your mind no longer functions.
The best way to trip is to lay in bed IMO, and STAY there. Tuck yourself in, a feeling of security is important, have some chocolate, listen to some music. The best way to kill anxiety is to close your eyes, so I use that method nowadays:)
Good luck.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: zxbrian10r]
#15803305 - 02/13/12 01:26 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Please, share your methanol extraction and recrystallization technique zxbrian10r. I am very interested in a way to store my psilocybin mushrooms in crystal form but can't find the right technique.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: evilmushroom]
#15803322 - 02/13/12 01:30 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Also, I've prepared tea and believe it is inferior to eating extremely well dried mushrooms. Extracting and crystallization is more advanced and would enable you to extract psilocybin and store it in a stable form that is compact. Space is important, especially when you have large amounts of mushroom.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: evilmushroom]
#15803351 - 02/13/12 01:35 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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To actually answer your question...
There is just ONE difference between taking Psilocybin and Psilocin - time.
YOU DO NOT TRIP ON PSILOCYBIN.
It is dephosphorylated into Psilocin by your body. Psilocin is what you trip on.
This is why people often experience fresh mushrooms being active more quickly than dried - the Psilocin content is reduced a good bit in dried mushrooms. The dosage calculator here supposes Half. I imagine heat, light, and O2 increase it. A dehydrator would then supposedly lose more Psilocin and a desiccant chamber less. I use a dehydrator anyway.
So, case in point - store as psilocybin. It's much more stable. Psilocin will turn much into useless salts...
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: Violet]
#15803456 - 02/13/12 01:58 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: kdmmontana]
#15805107 - 02/13/12 06:54 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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evilmushroom said:
Please, share your methanol extraction and recrystallization technique zxbrian10r. I am very interested in a way to store my psilocybin mushrooms in crystal form but can't find the right technique.
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kdmmontana said:
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zxbrian10r said:
Hello, I am new to this forum, but not to the subject. Hope this is the proper place for this question. I am quite familiar with extracting psilocybin from mushrooms. I have always used a methanol extraction and recrystallization to produce nearly pure psilocybin. I have been reading some techniques that convert the product directly to pure psilocin. I am aware of the chemistry, know they are basically the same besides slightly different dosages needed, also that psilocin doesn't store as long. what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness.
If you want to extract the psilocybin and psilocin, put dried mushrooms in hot tea for 30 minutes. I doubt that adding awhole bunch of chemicals can be healthy, and I would view it as dangerous. Psilocybin extraction was a common practice before the hobby evolved and there is a rather fun TEK out there which describes the process.
Making mushroom tea is probably the best bet. Thats what I think.
"what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness."
This is a fundamental hallucinogen junkie question (no harm meant), the trips "quality" or "visuals" are all very subjective. Psilocybin will not serve you dinner by itself and provide you with "a good trip", you have to provide this yourself.
Using psychadelics in a irresponsible manner is dangerous, I would know. Consider this example; can you withstand being mind-fucked for 4-8 hours? WOuld you be able to withstand a higher dose than expected?
At higher dosages, Psilocybin causes muscle weakness and tremors and other unpleasant physical symtoms, which can be very debilitating and horrifying considering that your mind no longer functions.
The best way to trip is to lay in bed IMO, and STAY there. Tuck yourself in, a feeling of security is important, have some chocolate, listen to some music. The best way to kill anxiety is to close your eyes, so I use that method nowadays:)
Good luck.
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zxbrian10r said:
Hello, I am new to this forum, but not to the subject. Hope this is the proper place for this question. I am quite familiar with extracting psilocybin from mushrooms. I have always used a methanol extraction and recrystallization to produce nearly pure psilocybin. I have been reading some techniques that convert the product directly to pure psilocin. I am aware of the chemistry, know they are basically the same besides slightly different dosages needed, also that psilocin doesn't store as long. what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness.
If you want to extract the psilocybin and psilocin, put dried mushrooms in hot tea for 30 minutes. I doubt that adding awhole bunch of chemicals can be healthy, and I would view it as dangerous. Psilocybin extraction was a common practice before the hobby evolved and there is a rather fun TEK out there which describes the process.
Making mushroom tea is probably the best bet. Thats what I think.
"what I am wondering is if one is better to take than the other as far as the quality of the trip. Do they feel different as far as visual intensity,onset time or cleanness."
This is a fundamental hallucinogen junkie question (no harm meant), the trips "quality" or "visuals" are all very subjective. Psilocybin will not serve you dinner by itself and provide you with "a good trip", you have to provide this yourself.
Using psychadelics in a irresponsible manner is dangerous, I would know. Consider this example; can you withstand being mind-fucked for 4-8 hours? WOuld you be able to withstand a higher dose than expected?
At higher dosages, Psilocybin causes muscle weakness and tremors and other unpleasant physical symtoms, which can be very debilitating and horrifying considering that your mind no longer functions.
The best way to trip is to lay in bed IMO, and STAY there. Tuck yourself in, a feeling of security is important, have some chocolate, listen to some music. The best way to kill anxiety is to close your eyes, so I use that method nowadays:)
Good luck.
I know that was a 'fundamental hallucinogen junkie question'. The reason i ask is because I as well as people i know think that fresh mushrooms give a better experience every time compared to dry, after you work out the difference in dosages. I read an article that stated that there was a higher psilocybin content in fresh mushrooms, and as they where dried, and stored it broke down to more psilocin. makes me wonder if there is something to that.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: zxbrian10r]
#15805140 - 02/13/12 06:59 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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That's partially incorrect - The good active components will break down to psilocybeen, a non-active.
Psilocybin is rather stable, and most of that is preserved easily. Psilocin however is much more unstable. Shroomey's dosage calculator generalizes that almost half Psilocin is broken down by drying alone.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: Violet]
#15805173 - 02/13/12 07:03 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Violet said:
That's partially incorrect - The good active components will break down to psilocybeen, a non-active.
Psilocybin is rather stable, and most of that is preserved easily. Psilocin however is much more unstable. Shroomey's dosage calculator generalizes that almost half Psilocin is broken down by drying alone.
I have found dried mushrooms to be slightly weaker than fresh, but I also found that they seem to give a more even trip, much like cannabis seems to taste better when cured. 
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: kdmmontana]
#15805237 - 02/13/12 07:13 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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That sounds more plausible. so fresh mushrooms have more psilocin. Wonder if that is why they are so much more fun fresh. might have to do a psilison extraction and compare results. Thanks violet
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: zxbrian10r]
#15805478 - 02/13/12 07:55 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Violet said:
That's partially incorrect - The good active components will break down to psilocybeen, a non-active.
Psilocybin is rather stable, and most of that is preserved easily. Psilocin however is much more unstable. Shroomey's dosage calculator generalizes that almost half Psilocin is broken down by drying alone.
I have found dried mushrooms to be slightly weaker than fresh, but I also found that they seem to give a more even trip, much like cannabis seems to taste better when cured.
Weird... First I've heard that.
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That sounds more plausible. so fresh mushrooms have more psilocin. Wonder if that is why they are so much more fun fresh. might have to do a psilison extraction and compare results. Thanks violet
Although, both being nearly identical alkaloids (psilocybin being quadrophosphorylated), I don't think you'll manage an extraction of either without the other coming equally...
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: CMOS]
#15805505 - 02/13/12 08:00 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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relevent
Please don't post bullshit links like this. This website refers to extracted product as "Magic" for Christ's sake.
"The sediment must have been almost pure magic. [...] It was totally freaking insane."
What a joke.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: San]
#15805558 - 02/13/12 08:08 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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CMOS said:
relevent
Please don't post bullshit links like this. This website refers to extracted product as "Magic" for Christ's sake.
"The sediment must have been almost pure magic. [...] It was totally freaking insane."
What a joke.
I assume they got that term from the fact that a large portion of people in this world call them Magic Mushrooms.
However if you really want to nitpick the term magic is very acceptable. Seeing as one of the definition of magic is: "A quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, esp. in a way that gives delight"
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: San]
#15805561 - 02/13/12 08:09 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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CMOS said:
relevent
Please don't post bullshit links like this. This website refers to extracted product as "Magic" for Christ's sake.
"The sediment must have been almost pure magic. [...] It was totally freaking insane."
What a joke.
That's not very nice...
That's the Professor you're talking about, may-he-rest-in-peace.
Professor Fanaticus, as in the PF Tek, as in the PF Classic variety Cube.
You may not like that he referred to it as "magic" in passing, but many think of this entheogen as a spiritual sacrament... And rightly so!
Do you get beef when people call them "magic mushrooms"? Rhetorical question.
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"A quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, esp. in a way that gives delight"
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: Violet]
#15805820 - 02/13/12 08:55 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Actually, I have major "beef", as you put it, with people that call them "Shrooms" and other derogatory names.
It spreads fear and disgust in the common people, which in turn is imposed back on people like me. Fungi are very nearly taboo in social circles for christ's sake.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: San]
#15806041 - 02/13/12 09:40 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: Violet]
#15806377 - 02/13/12 10:48 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Please don't post bullshit links like this. This website refers to extracted product as "Magic" for Christ's sake.
"The sediment must have been almost pure magic. [...] It was totally freaking insane."
What a joke.
I am attempting do add relevant information to the OP's topic.
You are wasting time arguing meaningless semantics. Go start your own post to bitch about peoples terminology.
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Re: psilocybin vs psilocin extraction [Re: CMOS]
#15806416 - 02/13/12 10:58 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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yeah thanks for that link cmos
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