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 Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: Harri]
#15802797 - 02/13/12 11:49 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Now the main question you should ask yourself is:
Can you put it all into a physical theory?
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: Harri]
#15802824 - 02/13/12 11:56 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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i think time only exists when measuring two things or objects from a distance but a speed type measurement is also used to make these calculations. So movement makes time. Othere than that, I have no clue. I believe past/ present/ future is only a time line we, humans use to cluster events into dates and times. But if you see time in dreams or in drug trips, you will see it's just a made up thing and does not exist. Society invented it.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: Harri]
#15802830 - 02/13/12 11:57 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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No day but today
Time exists, and can be demonstrated... Read Stephan Hawkings book about Brief History of Time...
Passing of time leads to the belief that it only goes in one direction... Where we see chronology of events... Entropy increases, universe expands, clocks click forward
Past did exist, future doesnt exist and may never
I am assuming this is really a good way of saying, live in the moment... Can not change the past, learn from it... Future is unknown, but is what you will make of it... Which sounds a lot like reality to me
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: HarryL]
#15802848 - 02/13/12 12:01 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I personally prefer Einstein's approach:
Time is what you can measure with a clock.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: Harri]
#15802857 - 02/13/12 12:03 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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“The more you go inside the world of Teonanacatl… you see our past and our future, which are there together as a thing already achieved, already happened… I knew and saw God: an immense clock that ticks, the spheres that go slowly around, and inside the stars, the earth, the entire universe, the day, the night… He who knows to the end the secret of Teonanacatl can even see that infinite clockwork.” (Maria Sabina; Schultes RE, Hofmann A, “Plants of the Gods”. Healing Arts Press, Vermont, 1992. via Psychedelic Information Theory: Home Page)
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: superhigh]
#15802886 - 02/13/12 12:08 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Whoa, heavily trippy stuff. 
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Once, I was REALLY high, and saw a visual depiction of time. It was a central point of infinite concentration, almost like a singularity or something. It seemed to be an infinitely dense slit of white light, and flowing out from either side in a cat's-eye pattern was the past, constantly flowing in opposite directions, away from the present, which was the center. The more I would try to focus on the center, the more the parts I was just focusing on would split off and become the past, and the central slit would still remain there, just out of my grasp.
So that is kind of how I see time now. Actually, that is kind of how I see a lot of things.
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Quote:
mesoamerican said:
i think time only exists when measuring two things or objects from a distance but a speed type measurement is also used to make these calculations. So movement makes time. Othere than that, I have no clue. I believe past/ present/ future is only a time line we, humans use to cluster events into dates and times. But if you see time in dreams or in drug trips, you will see it's just a made up thing and does not exist. Society invented it.
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mesoamerican said:
i think time only exists when measuring two things or objects from a distance but a speed type measurement is also used to make these calculations. So movement makes time. Othere than that, I have no clue. I believe past/ present/ future is only a time line we, humans use to cluster events into dates and times. But if you see time in dreams or in drug trips, you will see it's just a made up thing and does not exist. Society invented it.
does tripping allow you to go in the past or future? no, you stay in the present.
It is not because you do not comprehend the concept of time anymore while tripping that time does not exist anymore
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: frost458]
#15803347 - 02/13/12 01:34 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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yes as time is a concept of the mind, when you alter the mind you alter time, which is subjective.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: Harri]
#15803441 - 02/13/12 01:55 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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your perception of time is subjective, not time.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: frost458]
#15803603 - 02/13/12 02:33 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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frost458 said:
your perception of time is subjective, not time.
Time only exists in our minds as we are experiencing it. When you die...where is time? When your consciousness is dispersed into the energy of the universe... does time exist for this energy?... is this energy relative or interconnnected throughout the universe? I would not say time is objective. My 2 cents
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: frost458]
#15803613 - 02/13/12 02:35 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
frost458 said:
your perception of time is subjective, not time.
I feel like this is saying your perception of a chair is subjective, not a chair.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: weshroom]
#15806448 - 02/13/12 11:09 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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weshroom said:
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frost458 said:
your perception of time is subjective, not time.
I feel like this is saying your perception of a chair is subjective, not a chair.
well it is.....
a color blind won't see the same thing than you.
Someone who was nearly blind during all his childhood won't see depth as you do (because the brain learn to analyse depth during childhoold)
but the chair is real, it is there, it has certain color regardless of your perception.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: frost458]
#15807166 - 02/14/12 06:26 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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but the chair is real, it is there, it has certain color regardless of your perception.
Now, I have to disagree here. Things don't have color, it is your brain that gives them color.
When usual sun light hits an object, there is a certain spectrum of wavelengths that are absorbed and others are reflected. Yet we can only see light in a very small frequency range. There is no objective perception of color.
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i had soimething huge typed out but
im so high  nvm, i misread the last post.
cool thread, got me thinking too hard.
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Considering speeds and speeds, until your realm cant follow the consideration.
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You have no dimension in which to have any possibilities to consider.
As you come back to reality you start to remember the possibilities in your life.
You are you but you realize you.
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Quote:
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but the chair is real, it is there, it has certain color regardless of your perception.
Now, I have to disagree here. Things don't have color, it is your brain that gives them color.
When usual sun light hits an object, there is a certain spectrum of wavelengths that are absorbed and others are reflected. Yet we can only see light in a very small frequency range. There is no objective perception of color.
wavelenght mesurement is an objective mesurement of color....
you can be blind, color blind or whatever, you will always read the same wavelenght.
color is defined by the resulting wavelenght coming from an object exposed to white light.
wich is pretty objective....
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: frost458]
#15807472 - 02/14/12 08:38 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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frost458 said:
wavelenght mesurement is an objective mesurement of color....
you can be blind, color blind or whatever, you will always read the same wavelenght.
almost
im colorblind
and the color of the object im trying to determine is most heavily influenced by the colors around it
and the amount of light and junk and stuff
i look at colors and just honestly cant put a name to them
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: Harri]
#15807491 - 02/14/12 08:44 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Harri said:
They're concepts and exist because they're the result of functions of the brain, such as having a memory, imagination and anticipation, being able to formalize information into an idea,etc. Time only exists now, its infinitely right now, with reactions infinitely small/large happening within its self.
I just realized this now  am I correct? could anyone prove this wrong?
I think you're on the right track. The concept of linear time is false. It is a totalitarian method of control. We (conscious beings) can only exist in the present.
We are equally distant from past and future both are socially constructed mental concepts. We have no more access to our past than we do to our future. Our past is a function of memory, memory is constructed in the brain. Our future can be constructed in the brain as well, we can call it visualization.
Time exists but is much more unruly than the second hand of a clock. Time eddies and flows it moves forward and backward, it can speed up and slow down (by external or internal phenomenon) it is not a straight shot form point A to point B.
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Re: Past/Future aren't real [Re: MegaGoomba]
#15807684 - 02/14/12 09:48 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Clocks move slower in regions of higher gravity. To me, that seems to mean that "time" is actually a thing and not just a concept created by our brains. If you put a clock in a valley and one on a mountain the one on the mountain will eventually be a second ahead of the one in the valley...if time didn't have some level of tangibility to it, then it couldn't be manipulated by gravity.
Additionally, in a study on psychic phenomena they showed people pictures to elicit positive or negative emotions. If I remember correctly, the participants' brainwaves often changed to the proper state a split second BEFORE the picture was shown...and again, if I remember correctly, that happened with astounding consistency. I'll try to find the study. Point is, if psychic phenomena are real, I see no way for the present moment to be the only one existing, because the phenomena require some sort of connection to "other" moments to work.
Edited by tokinman21 (02/14/12 09:52 AM)
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