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Every time I see a thread like this, I get super-paranoid for the safety of whoever's talking about making acid or bragging about having access to the chemist.
if people actually knew the right people like that, they wouldn't be talking about it here. like that's as underground as it gets.. otherwise that chemist would be gone in a second 
LSD is one of hardest chems to produce. not something someone makes in the basement
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 Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: extreme]
#15806576 - 02/14/12 12:03 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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5k
seriously
if you're a jew, you could probably set it up for less.
You need a reflux apparatus, vacuum distillation apparatus, argon supply, standard glassware, common chemicals, access to lysergic acid ( this is the tricky part)
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Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: nooneman]
#15806596 - 02/14/12 12:13 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I have no experience and no knowledge, but from what I've always heard the process is easy and the equipment is cheap if you know what you're doing. The regents are always the bottleneck. I bet you could get all the equipment used for under $1000, but I have no knowledge or proof to back that up. Ergotamine is easy to get and widely available. You'll have a harder time finding the other regents.
The synthesis itself is extremly complicated and can turn out to be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Cultivating ergot is a good idea if you're looking for the most painful way to die. It is extremly hard to cultivate and you might die in the process, most chemists nowadays start from pure ergotamine tartrate. (And it's not easy to get, you still need to have the right connections and we're not talking about your regular acid hookup)
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Keep in mind, LSD is active in the microgram range, and is supposedly a skin absorber (although there is some debate about this).
Quoting Erowid :
" Another fact: I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" -- DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened! "
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Also, there are thousands and thousands and thousands of chemists making LSD. The problem is not the number of people making LSD, the problem is that the demand is outrageous.
Thousands and thousands of chemists making LSD ? You wish  We'd all be swimming in an ocean of acid then, there probably aren't more than active 30/40 (and that's me being very optimistic) labs worldwide, the problem isn't the demand. Thing is with an LSD lab you can produce several thousands doses in a week, pack up the lab and sell your doses over a long period of time
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(And it's not easy to get, you still need to have the right connections and we're talking about your regular acid hookup)
Bullshit, I know where to get it from right now, and it's cheap.
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Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: nooneman]
#15806619 - 02/14/12 12:27 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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(And it's not easy to get, you still need to have the right connections and we're talking about your regular acid hookup)
Bullshit, I know where to get it from right now, and it's cheap.
Well that's cool for you, but guess what most people can't. I'm guessing you have an internet source to talk about it so openly, and yeah you can probably get it on the internet but once again you need to know a legit source don't call bullshit just because you think you can get it, it doesn't mean most people can, we're talking about a chem that is closely watched by the DEA..
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I've heard so many losers say they have access to ergotamine tartrate or lysergic acid lol. They are no doubt talking about the many overseas scammers claiming to sell these compounds for like 1-2000 bucks a kilo lol. If I were to believe every foreign scammer I've come across, I'd tell you I have access to lysergic acid for 1500 bucks a kilo. Don't believe anyone if they tell you on the internet that they have access to LSD precursors.
And for the record, cultivating ergot, especially Paspali, is not dangerous, so long as you are capable of avoiding swallowing the culture???
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"cultivating ergot is a good idea if you're looking for the most painful way to die"
haha no it's a good idea if you're looking to produce some lysergic acid!
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I've heard so many losers say they have access to ergotamine tartrate or lysergic acid lol. They are no doubt talking about the many overseas scammers claiming to sell these compounds for like 1-2000 bucks a kilo lol. If I were to believe every foreign scammer I've come across, I'd tell you I have access to lysergic acid for 1500 bucks a kilo. Don't believe anyone if they tell you on the internet that they have access to LSD precursors.
And for the record, cultivating ergot, especially Paspali, is not dangerous, so long as you are capable of avoiding swallowing the culture???
a KILO of LSD for $1-2000?
Like 20mg of LSD is $1000. A kilo would be probably at least 30 grand..
LSD crystal isn't sold in amounts under a gram I don't think.. so good luck getting crystal if you don't have thousand and thousands of dollars saved up
Unless you're talking about a kilo of precursors.. but I haven't the slightest clue what the prices would be for ET and the like
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Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: extreme]
#15806701 - 02/14/12 01:07 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I was referring to lysergic acid and ergotamine tartrate.... and no I was only making fun of the idiots who believe the countless foreign scammers who claim to be selling these precursors for the cost of 1-2000 dollars per kilo.... and either way, 1 kilo of lysergic acid is going to give you 1 kilo of LSD so it is just as silly as you were saying... even if someone were selling raw lysergic acid, you can bet it would be 100-250,000 per kilo.
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I was referring to lysergic acid and ergotamine tartrate.... and no I was only making fun of the idiots who believe the countless foreign scammers who claim to be selling these precursors for the cost of 1-2000 dollars per kilo.... and either way, 1 kilo of lysergic acid is going to give you 1 kilo of LSD so it is just as silly as you were saying... even if someone were selling raw lysergic acid, you can bet it would be 100-250,000 per kilo.
Ahh I see, thanks for clearing that up 
I have no idea how you'd go about sourcing LSD precursors. Sounds like there's a lot more scammers than legit sources though
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Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: zergroz]
#15807076 - 02/14/12 05:26 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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id be interested to know what prices were like in the 60's 
a nickel a hit
id say around 1 dollar a hit maybe a little less, i have a feeling these guys weren't overcharging.
edit:this is a 70s pic but i could imagine this was its cheapest due to the popularity of it
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LightShedder said:
You need a reflux apparatus, vacuum distillation apparatus, argon supply, standard glassware, common chemicals, access to lysergic acid ( this is the tricky part)
Depends on the synthetic route utilized... In truth, you should also have a Red and Yellow photo lamp. Columns (Benzene:Chloroform over Alumina should work) are an absolute must. Labware and chemicals for recrystallization are also an absolute must.
Most routes require ethyl acetate, methylene chloride, chloroform, ammonium hydroxide, phosphoryl chloride, strong acid and strong base... A fair number use hydrazine (requires lots of safety precautions and should not be taken lightly) and/or PyBOP (BOP can be used if safety precautions are taken to avoid dangers of HMPA).
In honesty, I think the best option of synthesis for most is Lysergic acid amide -> Lysergic acid methyl ester -> Lysergic acid diethylamide...
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I couldn't make it even with the equipment and reagents. It is for a research paper.
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Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: bourgeo]
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If it's for a research paper, I would suggest reading journal papers published on synthetic routes and outline the necessary equipment associated with various routes. There isn't a single, cookie cutter lab setup. It varies based on the methods that you are using for the route that you use, and the price varies accordingly. If you peruse journal publishings (Hofmann, Nichols, Shulgin, Hardison, etc.), books (Snow, Shulgin, etc.), articles (Hardison, Kemp, Hofmann, Shulgin, Nichols, Pickard, Rhodium, Forum posts, etc. (some of these will be kind of vague)), and some other sources you should be able to come up with a fair few common methods to outline and the associated lab costs.
It is worth noting that some of these will not note directly, but many of the processes are anhydrous, inert, and under specific wavelengths of light...
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Re: LSD Lab Price [Re: detest86]
#15812910 - 02/15/12 09:36 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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50k
Where did you possibly come up with that number? That would be a giant scaled lab, or you are also buying some analytical equipment...
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This should finalize the thread:
Five thousand U.S. dollars (maximum conservative estimate) as of February 2012.
And this is assuming you have access to lysergic acid through ergot culture.
Zero debate.
End of discussion.
Trust me.
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This should finalize the thread:
Five thousand U.S. dollars (maximum conservative estimate) as of February 2012.
And this is assuming you have access to lysergic acid through ergot culture.
Zero debate.
End of discussion.
Trust me.
I am quite certain that there is more than one way to put a production lab together for the premise of synthesizing LSD... Saying that it can only be done for one price with no debate is absolutely and entirely ignorant.
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I am saying it CAN be done for a maximum price of 5000 dollars. This is mainly in response to those that claim it requires "50k".
To misinterpret my post as saying "this is the only way to make LSD", when I didn't even explain a way of synthesizing LSD, let alone claim it is the only way, would be ignorant. So reread, or learn to communicate, but don't call me ignorant because you can't understand.
You claim that I said "an LSD lab can only be put together for one price".
Please help me understand how you interpreted this from my post???
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Edited by LightShedder (02/15/12 03:23 PM)
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That's not the maximum price man, it's more of a minimum. A GC/MS alone will run you at least $24,000, and can be more than double that.
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