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I dont hang out in this forum. I like that it exists, because honestly, I think 99.99999% of this stuff is BS... but bear with me for a second. If there is one conspiracy theory/coverup that you are 100% convinced is absolutely true, what is it?
I promise to do more research into the most convincing one.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky] 2
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I've always had an interest in astronomy, and I've watched a number of documentaries and shows on The History Channel about UFOs and the like, including ancient aliens (which is honestly a really interesting show), and it seems like there's a shitload of available information and reliable testimony from former military personnel at different levels, especially pilots, I watched an entire show that was a collection of blackbox recordings from planes of conversation between the pilot and ground control, with interviews with some of the pilots themselves, all stuff that had been kept from the public initially which would obviously raise suspiscion. You could even hear them saying how'd they be folliwng the objets or the objects were folllowing them or right belown them and how they'd disappear, both physically and ground control would be tracking it on radar, and it'd dissapear from radar and then impossibly reappear right around the same area, or miles away in the mater of seconds, moving in impossible zig zag patterns etc.
I'm not some huge UFO/alien fanatic, but I have always found that type of stuff interesting, and after learning a lot about it, especially the show with the blackbox audio and interviews with highly respected and sometimes high ranking military officials who usually chose not to come forward until after they were retired, also because of another show with audio from regular commercial airliners, not military planes, and pilots admitting openly that UFOs were supposedly seen regularly and pilots would not report them because it literally led to some pilots losing their job and being hassled/harassed by people calling them liars/crazy. Once they retired though they didn't give a fuck and came forward, because some of these accounts were from the 60s/70s, decades old. Some of the military ones were even older, from the 40s, 50s.
With all that being said I think it is extremely reasonable to believe there is large amounts of information regarding UFOs/ETs that have been known about by our government and governments in other countries too, in fact in each country has their own private UFO files that naturally they keep secret from other countries, which is actually a fact you can verify. All countries have UFO files, and for whatever reason keep confidential.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
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supernovasky said:
I dont hang out in this forum. I like that it exists, because honestly, I think 99.99999% of this stuff is BS... but bear with me for a second. If there is one conspiracy theory/coverup that you are 100% convinced is absolutely true, what is it?
I promise to do more research into the most convincing one.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
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why wouldnt you include the one you feel was most likely to be true
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Whiteydr]
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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why wouldnt you include the one you feel was most likely to be true
Prisoner, this is the first time I've EVER posted in this forum.
I don't keep up with conspiracy theories at all.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
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why wouldnt you include the one you feel was most likely to be true
Prisoner, this is the first time I've EVER posted in this forum.
I don't keep up with conspiracy theories at all.
No, that was his attempt at sarcasm. Pretty sure he was referring to my post.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Whiteydr]
#15800431 - 02/12/12 09:13 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Oh, whoops.
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#15800559 - 02/12/12 09:29 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Elements in the USSR conspired to kill the pope.
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#15801400 - 02/13/12 12:50 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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9/11 - Obvious use of explosives. Buildings collapse at freefall speed in a clear demolition. One building falls that was not hit by a plane. US government overlooks and refuses to comment on overwhelming evidence.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Whiteydr]
#15801797 - 02/13/12 05:13 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Whiteydr said:
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why wouldnt you include the one you feel was most likely to be true
Prisoner, this is the first time I've EVER posted in this forum.
I don't keep up with conspiracy theories at all.
No, that was his attempt at sarcasm. Pretty sure he was referring to my post.
nope... no sarcasm, my comment was for supernovasky. the way I see it why
would I be compelled to disclose a conspiracy theory I believe to be true
when the original poster does not. we've all heard of some, some being
more plausible than others even if it's as simple as the government is
monitoring us trough the use of various social media or traffic cams or
that the government budget shows they overspend on items such as hammers,
ashtrays and toilet seats in order to funnel money into their black bag
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#15801817 - 02/13/12 05:26 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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The truth about the government is that they are incredibly fucking boring. I should know, I worked for the US federal government for 8 years in information security. I was in charge of keeping their secrets from becoming known, and I did that well. If you learned all their secrets, you would be bored to death.
The evil things the government does stem from extreme negligence and failures of the political system, not because they are out to get you.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15801819 - 02/13/12 05:27 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I honestly think we found something at Roswell.
Maybe an alien craft, maybe a timetravel craft from our planet, maybe some secret Soviet gadget.
But the various official versions just don't add up right for me. "Anthropomorphic dummies", no way.
As for 9/11, I think the method was what we saw, planes into buildings.
But the motives and perpetrators might just maybe be other than "as stated".
I think not, I believe the official story- but I suppose there's a real chance there's something else going on.
Oh, and I believe there are bigfoots. Not a conspiracy theory, just ignored by the mainstream.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Doc_T]
#15801841 - 02/13/12 05:44 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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As for 9/11, I think the method was what we saw, planes into buildings.
Planes did fly into buildings. But that could not have made the buildings fall down that quickly. Clearly a controlled demolition. I have no idea who set the explosives or why, and I may never find out.
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Oh, and I believe there are bigfoots. Not a conspiracy theory, just ignored by the mainstream.
No way, there could never be enough of them out there to have a breeding population with no one finding solid evidence.
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#15801846 - 02/13/12 05:48 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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There could be enough to have a relict population. Look at pandas, there aren't more than about 600 in the wild.
Bigfoots are bigger then pandas, but smarter. And maybe they bury their dead.
But I thought the thread was "post what you think is true".
Didn't realize it was "refute the next guy", but I should have figured.
I'll leave now. Enjoy sniping at newcomers.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Doc_T]
#15801857 - 02/13/12 05:56 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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There could be enough to have a relict population
No way, even with a relict population there would be bones laying around. People would come across these bones while mushroom hunting and the cover would be blown. In the US, it is not possible to walk for more than 50 miles in any direction without coming across a road. There is nowhere remote enough that bigfoot could persist without people noticing.
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And maybe they bury their dead.
And erase their footprints. And are practically invisible. And the bones never become unburied by erosion or other animals digging.
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Didn't realize it was "refute the next guy", but I should have figured.
It isn't always "refute the next guy", but you claimed there was bigfoot. I had to say something.
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I'll leave now. Enjoy sniping at newcomers.
I would prefer to be wrong and to be shown evidence that bigfoot is out there. I just don't see how that could be though.
You don't have to leave, I am not pissed at you for suggesting the presence of bigfoot. It is an interesting subject. I just don't see how it could possibly be true.
You may know some things about bigfoot that I am unaware of; I have never looked at the evidence, I just don't see how anything that large and interesting could go undocumented by science.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15801947 - 02/13/12 06:55 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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As for 9/11, I think the method was what we saw, planes into buildings.
Planes did fly into buildings. But that could not have made the buildings fall down that quickly.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15801978 - 02/13/12 07:10 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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the conspiracy is to make everyone believe the governments wants you breathing.
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I believe aliens exist, are they fondeling peoples prostates? maybe, but unlikely. Could they have craft frolicking about our planet? If they do exist, why not, humans after enough time will be sending probes/drones/craft to other potiential planets that may have life on them so why not something else.
as for 9/11, I just find it incredibly hard to believe that they could rig those buildings to blow without anyone noticing. Or maybe they killed everyone involved. idk gov't conspiracies like that are hard to swallow, cause if you entertain such a notion then you can pretty much say anything is possible.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: snoot]
#15803112 - 02/13/12 12:50 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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its a tie between JFK and 911.
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As for 9/11, I think the method was what we saw, planes into buildings.
Planes did fly into buildings. But that could not have made the buildings fall down that quickly.
gravity
Gravity would be an acceptable explanation if the buildings fell more slowly and less evenly. But they came down at freefall speed - The speed they would fall at if there were no supports at all. If the supports were still in place, they would have offered resistance to gravity, so they must have been removed with explosives.
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as for 9/11, I just find it incredibly hard to believe that they could rig those buildings to blow without anyone noticing.
Actually, as a security expert, I would find that extremely easy. All they would need to go is get a job as a night security guard/supervisor to get full access. Or just dress like one. I have walked into extremely secure government facilities with nothing more than a clipboard, a fire inspector uniform and 10 minutes of fire inspection training from a real fireman. No one turns away a fire inspector, especially if you schedule the inspection in advance.
There was also that slightly disturbing thing about a building shutdown of some sort a couple days before the attacks.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky] 3
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supernovasky said:
I dont hang out in this forum. I like that it exists, because honestly, I think 99.99999% of this stuff is BS... but bear with me for a second. If there is one conspiracy theory/coverup that you are 100% convinced is absolutely true, what is it?
I promise to do more research into the most convincing one.
If you care to search and study you will know that the majority of the world's
resources are sitting on a very limited number of hands, and that these ownerships
are carefully administered through inheritance. The most rich and powerful people
are very rarely presented in the mass media. That is where the true power lies.
As for cover-ups, very little distraction is needed to steer the mind of the populace elsewhere.
You can listen to for instance Noam Chomsky for 600 hours, and you will probably learn a lot
about what is happening.
But it is usually very little you can do to fight the "beast", so to speak. If your aim is
to infiltrate with an intent to defeat the world order, you will soon enough find enough
comfort in its facilities, and thus lose the battle. Funny what a good steady pay will do
to your rebellious nature.
In essence, this is not even a conspiracy itself, although speaking about it too loud and
too much will discomfort your surroundings to the degree where you will at last find
yourself lumped in with the nutcases. Some of them are touching valid points, but then
suddenly one will mention reptilians (David Icke) or ninjas (Ben Fulford) and there you go...
And of course, the principle of "divide and conquer" is essential. Read Machiavelli.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Anglerfish]
#15804280 - 02/13/12 04:41 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Insightful post. +1 and +5.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15804303 - 02/13/12 04:48 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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We haven't had a good 9/11 thread in here for a while now.
I'm sure you'd get plenty of replies if you started one... alas, this thread is about something else.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Cervantes]
#15804660 - 02/13/12 05:45 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Sodium fluoride in the water is always a good one. Plenty of toxic waste, and it's been tradition from way back when to dump whatever in the river and then it's someone else problem downstream.
This way, toxic run off from mining and refining can be sold in toothpaste and water. I'm pretty sure sodium monofluorophosphate is a by product of phosphorous mining.
The conspiracy bit is convincing people that instead of this being some nasty toxic shit like run off from an abattoir or chemical lab that this is good and wholesome and you should drink it and water your lawn with it to (in case the grass gets cavities?)
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
#15805078 - 02/13/12 06:49 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Actually I was kidding about the illuminati conspiracy. But here is one conspiracy that is legitimate and affects millions of people globally. It affected me personally.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: reeferaddict69]
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9/11 is the big one, george bush...
Fema camps,
Wall street corruption is a BIG one.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Actually, as a security expert, I would find that extremely easy. All they would need to go is get a job as a night security guard/supervisor to get full access. Or just dress like one. I have walked into extremely secure government facilities with nothing more than a clipboard, a fire inspector uniform and 10 minutes of fire inspection training from a real fireman. No one turns away a fire inspector, especially if you schedule the inspection in advance.
There was also that slightly disturbing thing about a building shutdown of some sort a couple days before the attacks.
maybe you should read some of the big 9/11 threads in this forum. I have
experience in both concrere and steel construction as well as in demolition
just because this event appeared in a way you want to believe it happened,
that doesnt mean it did
here's some food for thought
it would take about 9mos to rig the buildings for demolition, they
cant use remote detonation because NYC is full of radio signals,
wired detonation would require a large team to plant the charges and
conceal the wires, that would involve tearing out drywall, replacing
it and repainting. a process that would require 3 days for each entry
how would they accomplish these feats, how did they conceal the miles of
wire, how did they conceal the thousands of feet of wire that ran from the
building to the control panels. radio controlled charges could have failed
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Conventional remote control detonation with cheap receivers would perhaps not work, but it would be easy to get radio receivers that would work there and detonate charges. FM radios and cell phones work in these buildings, so they are not impervious to radio waves. A high powered transmitter with decent receivers (good front end filtering) on an unused frequency would work.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15806585 - 02/14/12 12:08 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I've run the possibility of the US government letting 9/11 happen, but I doubt that's true. It's impossible for it to be an "inside job" don't buy into that inforwars bullshit fear-mongering.
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The truth about the government is that they are incredibly fucking boring. I should know, I worked for the US federal government for 8 years in information security. I was in charge of keeping their secrets from becoming known, and I did that well. If you learned all their secrets, you would be bored to death.
The evil things the government does stem from extreme negligence and failures of the political system, not because they are out to get you.
Tell that to the victims of:
Nazi Germany
Imperial Japan
Communist China (prominently the Great Cultural Revolution and the Famine),
Soviet Russia
Kampuchea (Cambodia under Pol Pot)
Fascist Italy
Fascist Spain
Dirty War in Chile
Desaparacidos of Argentina
Apartheid South Africa
Sectarian Iraq
Sectarian Rawanda
women, homosexuals and other oppressed groups in Arab and African countries,
and last on this list but most CERTAINLY not least: Drug War victims the world over; many MILLIONS of individuals who suffer on a daily basis due to the policies and dictats of the United States government including threatening gestures and speech towards nations that consider NOT harming peaceful substance users (or abusers).
How about American blacks held in chattel slavery conditions until 1865? How about the period between 1865 and 1965 (and beyond, most mostly that period) when MANY MANY blacks were openly lynched, raped, robbed, completely unable to find work, discriminated against in terms of use of "public property", eligibility to hold public office and overall "second-class citizen, if that" status? I pray that no one responds that "private citizens" performed these actions. It would be an affront to history and I won't even bother to retort.
Government is evil. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is NEVER right to steal. It is WRONG to steal from Bill Gates to feed hungry children in Africa. IT IS WRONG.
Government is based off of and requires compulsory funding: read THEFT. If you refuse to pay you will be physically agressed against: your property stolen at gunpoint or your body kidnapped and held in a dungeon until they let you go.
This is evil and it's wrong and people who support it will suffer the consequences of their actions.
People who participate in this business as "Correctional Officers", members of the judicial system (with the exception of defense attorneys), law enforcement, holders of public office, people who donate money to the people calling themselves government, people who support the non-extant "government" with their moral and verbal encouragement:
ALL of these individuals will be held to account for the part that THEY played in the suffering of their brethern just as surely as those neighbors of Jews who "failed to notice" the mass arrests and truck-transports to death camps are being held responsible for their behaviors now.
This will not be forgotten. You will NOT be excused. You will not permit YOURSELF the excuse. The only way to regain balance will be to experience what you contributed towards others experiencing.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Humility]
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Good points, though my statement was referring to the modern US government.
I consider the war on drugs to be incompetence more than vindictiveness, mostly due to lack of knowledge about drugs and incorrect cost/benefit analysis. It surely is vindictive in effect and some cops enjoy enforcing drug laws.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Hrm; you're probably right in that regard. I will admit many people in government are thoroughly confused and not necessarily seeking to hurt people.
Others understand what they're doing and are comfortable with it because they get paid for it.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Conventional remote control detonation with cheap receivers would perhaps not work, but it would be easy to get radio receivers that would work there and detonate charges. FM radios and cell phones work in these buildings, so they are not impervious to radio waves. A high powered transmitter with decent receivers (good front end filtering) on an unused frequency would work.
there's no such thing as an unused frequency because in cities like new york
there's a great deal of radio interference, one frequency can bleed over to
another and a security guard simply keying up a radio within a few meters of
one of these detonators would cause a premature detonation regardless of the
frequency... several years back pokesmot discovered the problem with radio
receivers and explosives. even in fairly remote areas they pose a problem
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I've run the possibility of the US government letting 9/11 happen, but I doubt that's true. It's impossible for it to be an "inside job" don't buy into that inforwars bullshit fear-mongering.
I agree completely, it was allowed to happen because it was already exposed
that they (FBI) had prior knowledge and were told that it was not within the
scope of their authority to investigate... even though that's their job
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Good points, though my statement was referring to the modern US government.
I consider the war on drugs to be incompetence more than vindictiveness, mostly due to lack of knowledge about drugs and incorrect cost/benefit analysis. It surely is vindictive in effect and some cops enjoy enforcing drug laws.
it's not incompetence, it's willful disregard for the facts. simply look
up the job description for the drug czar because it includes denial of any
positive medical benefit for any illicit drug even though this information
has been available since before Reagan stepped up the WoD and created the
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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there's no such thing as an unused frequency
There are many unused frequencies anywhere you go. I have a spectrum analyzer and can see a graphical readout of which frequencies are in use. Huge blocks of the spectrum are allocated to things like military aircraft, and no one ever transmits there. For example, 180 - 215 Mhz, 250 - 400 Mhz, or 500 - 700 Mhz. There are literally millions of unused radio channels if you are willing to break FCC rules.
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because in cities like new york
there's a great deal of radio interference, one frequency can bleed over to
another and a security guard simply keying up a radio within a few meters of
one of these detonators would cause a premature detonation regardless of the
frequency...
The detonators don't look for any signal on the correct frequency, that would be insane. They look for a certain digital code to be transmitted on the correct frequency. You can transmit as much as you want on the detonators frequency, if you aren't sending the correct pattern of 1's and 0's, no detonation.
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several years back pokesmot discovered the problem with radio
receivers and explosives. even in fairly remote areas they pose a problem
Cheap radio receivers have that problem. A good radio receiver that does not have that problem could be mass produced for about $30 each.
Your cell phone doesn't ring every time a security guard keys up his radio. No amount of radio frequency interference could cause your cell phone to ring. Only the correct pattern of 1's and 0's does that.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 2
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1) UFOs (not ancient aliens, but that aliens are here and they're up to something)
2) JFK
Those are really the only ones I'm sure about.
I am also beginning to believe that international bankers have in fact conspired through out history to influence the affairs of many nations.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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9/11 - Obvious use of explosives. Buildings collapse at freefall speed in a clear demolition. One building falls that was not hit by a plane. US government overlooks and refuses to comment on overwhelming evidence.
-Yeah its hard to ignore. Im not sold on the idea that "we" actually brought the
towers down at this point but I do feel strongly about the government knowing this
was going to happen and not taking the completely necessary steps to stop it. That
alone should have landed all the fuckers in jail.
-Though I do not really believe this to be considered "conspiracy" I
do very much believe there is and has been an "extraterrestrial" presence
around this planet.
-As someone mentioned before JFK is another clear cut conspiracy that has yet
to be fully known. Probably never will know.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: 5-HT2A]
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1) UFOs (not ancient aliens, but that aliens are here and they're up to something)
2) JFK
Those are really the only ones I'm sure about.
I am also beginning to believe that international bankers have in fact conspired through out history to influence the affairs of many nations.
What do you feel is the most convincing evidence of aliens?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
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If you are interested this may be a good place for you to start.
The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 500 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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The detonators don't look for any signal on the correct frequency, that would be insane. They look for a certain digital code to be transmitted on the correct frequency. You can transmit as much as you want on the detonators frequency, if you aren't sending the correct pattern of 1's and 0's, no detonation.
nuke under the towers?
where's the evidence, how can the hundreds of people required to keep this
secret keep it a secret, we all know the government isnt that good at it and
the more you include the more your risk of it being made public
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Actually, as a security expert, I would find that extremely easy. All they would need to go is get a job as a night security guard/supervisor to get full access. Or just dress like one. I have walked into extremely secure government facilities with nothing more than a clipboard, a fire inspector uniform and 10 minutes of fire inspection training from a real fireman. No one turns away a fire inspector, especially if you schedule the inspection in advance.
There was also that slightly disturbing thing about a building shutdown of some sort a couple days before the attacks.
maybe you should read some of the big 9/11 threads in this forum. I have
experience in both concrere and steel construction as well as in demolition
just because this event appeared in a way you want to believe it happened,
that doesnt mean it did
here's some food for thought
it would take about 9mos to rig the buildings for demolition, they
cant use remote detonation because NYC is full of radio signals,
wired detonation would require a large team to plant the charges and
conceal the wires, that would involve tearing out drywall, replacing
it and repainting. a process that would require 3 days for each entry
how would they accomplish these feats, how did they conceal the miles of
wire, how did they conceal the thousands of feet of wire that ran from the
building to the control panels. radio controlled charges could have failed
or prematurely detonated
how do you know the people behind 911 weren't different from what the official story implies
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pris why wont you say what conspiracy you think is most likely to be true.
im interested
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pris why wont you say what conspiracy you think is most likely to be true.
im interested
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
there's no such thing as an unused frequency
There are many unused frequencies anywhere you go. I have a spectrum analyzer and can see a graphical readout of which frequencies are in use. Huge blocks of the spectrum are allocated to things like military aircraft, and no one ever transmits there. For example, 180 - 215 Mhz, 250 - 400 Mhz, or 500 - 700 Mhz. There are literally millions of unused radio channels if you are willing to break FCC rules.
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because in cities like new york
there's a great deal of radio interference, one frequency can bleed over to
another and a security guard simply keying up a radio within a few meters of
one of these detonators would cause a premature detonation regardless of the
frequency...
The detonators don't look for any signal on the correct frequency, that would be insane. They look for a certain digital code to be transmitted on the correct frequency. You can transmit as much as you want on the detonators frequency, if you aren't sending the correct pattern of 1's and 0's, no detonation.
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several years back pokesmot discovered the problem with radio
receivers and explosives. even in fairly remote areas they pose a problem
Cheap radio receivers have that problem. A good radio receiver that does not have that problem could be mass produced for about $30 each.
Your cell phone doesn't ring every time a security guard keys up his radio. No amount of radio frequency interference could cause your cell phone to ring. Only the correct pattern of 1's and 0's does that.
If you look at the bigger picture on this, what would the perpetrators have to gain by incorporating this level of complexity and risk into the scheme(not to mention the fact it actually "did" work as designed). Wouldn't the planes leaving huge holes in the towers, the other two planes, one hitting the Pentagon for fuck's sake, and all the civilians who died just in the initial impacts, wouldn't all that be enough to make a case for the Patriot Act or Iraq invasion or any power grab they had in mind? Sounds like a new Pearl Harbor to me. But no? WTC had to actually flatten completely, and in a clean manner supposedly akin to controlled demolition no less? Lol, why not just let it all fall over sideways as you apparently expected it to do, that would create an even bigger mess, more deaths, and even more leverage for Our Reptilian Overlords or whoever it was "did" 9/11?
And if your answer to that is: It was an occult megaritual designed to psychically devastate and manipulate the populace therefore the towers had to fall completely to achieve the desired effect, well, then I have a more plausible theory for you, well evidenced and outright emergent in consideration of the past and it directly involves the US gov't: We've directly fucked with their shit in the middle east for over half a century and built scores of bases all over their land, created Al Qaeda to fight the soviets, bombed and bombed their shit, maybe they were just a little perturbed by all that and some radicals got well prepared for a few years and flew hijacked airliners into buildings? I know that doesn't require numerology or geomancy to decode but it does make sense if you consider history for five seconds.
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pris why wont you say what conspiracy you think is most likely to be true.
im interested
Reagan made a secret deal with Iran to free the american hostages and
boost his popularity once he took office, in his time in office other
deals involving Iran were struck including the supply of arms in their war
against Iraq whom we were also arming. in the progression of these deals
Regan had the CIA flying cocaine into this country via the Mena Arkansas
airport. these shipments were protected by order of then Governor Bill
Clinton by the Arkansas state police. a couple of these cops were soon to
spill the beans and meat with an untimely demise just prior to testifying
in front of a secret grand jury. clinton was also heavily tied into the
S&L 'crisis' in which nearly a billion in funds were doled out to
financial institutions which subsequently failed and was never repaid and
the Whitewater scandal which resulted in he death of Vince Foster.
let's also reach back a little further and discuss the Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty which was violated by Carter when he armed the
Israelis with nukes and gave North Korea Nuclear Technology, Post 2001, GW
Bush gave North Korea $95 million to develop their nuclear program
claiming it was vital to the nation security interests of the US and
shortly thereafter NK was assigned as part of the 'axis of evil' because
they were developing nuclear weapons from their 'proliferation proof'
reactors... of course these are just a small part of the larger picture
which ties several administrations together with corruption
there's very real conspiracies out there, shit like chemtrails and 9/11
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Viveka]
#15812244 - 02/15/12 05:45 AM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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If you look at the bigger picture on this, what would the perpetrators have to gain by incorporating this level of complexity and risk into the scheme(not to mention the fact it actually "did" work as designed). Wouldn't the planes leaving huge holes in the towers, the other two planes, one hitting the Pentagon for fuck's sake, and all the civilians who died just in the initial impacts, wouldn't all that be enough to make a case for the Patriot Act or Iraq invasion
9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, with 2 gaping holes in the building why
wouldnt the 'explosives' detonate given all the heat as well as the shock,
based on the video footage it all originated on the floors of impact
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We've directly fucked with their shit in the middle east for over half a century and built scores of bases all over their land, created Al Qaeda to fight the soviets, bombed and bombed their shit, maybe they were just a little perturbed by all that and some radicals got well prepared for a few years and flew hijacked airliners into buildings?
al Qaeda formed in the late 80s to early 90s. in 1993 they started their
attacks on US targets including the World Trade Center, they didnt 'just
pop up' prior to the 9/11 attacks. in a manner of speaking we did create
al Qaeda when we cut the funding for the Mujaheddin to fight the soviets
we certainly didnt create them to fight the russians
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"You are being arrested for conspiracy of trafficking marijuana and numerous narcotics. Anything you say can and will be held against you."
I think it's this one.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
there's no such thing as an unused frequency
There are many unused frequencies anywhere you go. I have a spectrum analyzer and can see a graphical readout of which frequencies are in use. Huge blocks of the spectrum are allocated to things like military aircraft, and no one ever transmits there. For example, 180 - 215 Mhz, 250 - 400 Mhz, or 500 - 700 Mhz. There are literally millions of unused radio channels if you are willing to break FCC rules.
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because in cities like new york
there's a great deal of radio interference, one frequency can bleed over to
another and a security guard simply keying up a radio within a few meters of
one of these detonators would cause a premature detonation regardless of the
frequency...
The detonators don't look for any signal on the correct frequency, that would be insane. They look for a certain digital code to be transmitted on the correct frequency. You can transmit as much as you want on the detonators frequency, if you aren't sending the correct pattern of 1's and 0's, no detonation.
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several years back pokesmot discovered the problem with radio
receivers and explosives. even in fairly remote areas they pose a problem
Cheap radio receivers have that problem. A good radio receiver that does not have that problem could be mass produced for about $30 each.
Your cell phone doesn't ring every time a security guard keys up his radio. No amount of radio frequency interference could cause your cell phone to ring. Only the correct pattern of 1's and 0's does that.
If you look at the bigger picture on this, what would the perpetrators have to gain by incorporating this level of complexity and risk into the scheme(not to mention the fact it actually "did" work as designed). Wouldn't the planes leaving huge holes in the towers, the other two planes, one hitting the Pentagon for fuck's sake, and all the civilians who died just in the initial impacts, wouldn't all that be enough to make a case for the Patriot Act or Iraq invasion or any power grab they had in mind? Sounds like a new Pearl Harbor to me. But no? WTC had to actually flatten completely, and in a clean manner supposedly akin to controlled demolition no less? Lol, why not just let it all fall over sideways as you apparently expected it to do, that would create an even bigger mess, more deaths, and even more leverage for Our Reptilian Overlords or whoever it was "did" 9/11?
And if your answer to that is: It was an occult megaritual designed to psychically devastate and manipulate the populace therefore the towers had to fall completely to achieve the desired effect, well, then I have a more plausible theory for you, well evidenced and outright emergent in consideration of the past and it directly involves the US gov't: We've directly fucked with their shit in the middle east for over half a century and built scores of bases all over their land, created Al Qaeda to fight the soviets, bombed and bombed their shit, maybe they were just a little perturbed by all that and some radicals got well prepared for a few years and flew hijacked airliners into buildings? I know that doesn't require numerology or geomancy to decode but it does make sense if you consider history for five seconds.
I heard that to safely remove all the asbestos in WTC 1 and 2, it'd cost a billion dollars. Luckily for Larry Silverstein, he's not had to pay for those costly asbestos removal fees.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/asbestos.html
Building 7 came down as well. Apparently the FBI had a lot of evidence on Enron stored in that building. http://wtc7.net/articles/kimball/thirdskyscraper.html
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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al Qaeda formed in the late 80s to early 90s. in 1993 they started their
attacks on US targets including the World Trade Center, they didnt 'just
pop up' prior to the 9/11 attacks. in a manner of speaking we did create
al Qaeda when we cut the funding for the Mujaheddin to fight the soviets
we certainly didnt create them to fight the russians
do you think the FBI had any involvement in the '93 WTC bombing?
such as providing the explosives used to make the bomb, instead of fake materials
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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I heard that to safely remove all the asbestos in WTC 1 and 2, it'd cost a billion dollars. Luckily for Larry Silverstein, he's not had to pay for those costly asbestos removal fees.
which made no difference because asbestos insulation wasnt an issue,
asbestos doesnt pose a hazard unless it's 'disturbed', start whacking on
it with a hammer and you release fibers into the air, leave it alone and
it's not a problem
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Building 7 came down as well. Apparently the FBI had a lot of evidence on Enron stored in that building.
why would the FBI store records on a company that wasnt even being
investigated. 9.11 happened a few months prior to FBI involvement
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: dynomite]
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do you think the FBI had any involvement in the '93 WTC bombing?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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do you think the FBI had any involvement in the '93 WTC bombing?
no
Not that this implies any involvement on their part, but I do remember (I know this isn't a proper reference lol but it's legitimate) hearing an interview with a prominent FBI agent who, when speaking of the 93 WTC bombings said "not enough people died". He was basically hinting towards the fact that it didn't have a strong enough impact on society and the Clinton administration because it wasn't extreme/deadly enough. This statement was made before 9/11. Again, obviously this proves nothing but it is another dot to add to your crazy mental connect-the-dot conspiracy picture...
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: LightShedder]
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surely that interview should be found otherwise it's an empty claim, a conspiracy theory
that particular bombing brought about a large anti terrorism bill that was
the predecessor to the patriot act that didnt pass, along with the OKC
bombing, the branch davidians and a few other incidences the bill was
reintroduced and eventually broken down and became riders on other bills
such as education bills. after 9/11 the original was dusted off, more added
to it and then rushed through congress with only two people abstaining from
voting... my question, if so many people believe that the patriot act has
stripped them of their freedoms then why are most of these jackasses still in
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I heard that to safely remove all the asbestos in WTC 1 and 2, it'd cost a billion dollars. Luckily for Larry Silverstein, he's not had to pay for those costly asbestos removal fees.
which made no difference because asbestos insulation wasnt an issue,
asbestos doesnt pose a hazard unless it's 'disturbed', start whacking on
it with a hammer and you release fibers into the air, leave it alone and
it's not a problem
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Building 7 came down as well. Apparently the FBI had a lot of evidence on Enron stored in that building.
why would the FBI store records on a company that wasnt even being
investigated. 9.11 happened a few months prior to FBI involvement
Is that so? So, the moment the FBI announces they are investigating someone or thing, that's when evidence collection starts?
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dynomite said:
do you think the FBI had any involvement in the '93 WTC bombing?
no
The man responsible for the bombing, (Salem? Salam?) recorded his interviews with the government officials who asked him to undertake the bombing. They gave him the materials, and set him up. He suspected it was a setup so taped his conversations with them. That youtube is a news report of the investigation.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: cacharstar]
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Did anyone say the whole catholic concept of god and dogmatic religion as a whole? well you should have...
Nope but spot on sir...
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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I heard that to safely remove all the asbestos in WTC 1 and 2, it'd cost a billion dollars. Luckily for Larry Silverstein, he's not had to pay for those costly asbestos removal fees.
which made no difference because asbestos insulation wasnt an issue,
asbestos doesnt pose a hazard unless it's 'disturbed', start whacking on
it with a hammer and you release fibers into the air, leave it alone and
it's not a problem
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Building 7 came down as well. Apparently the FBI had a lot of evidence on Enron stored in that building.
why would the FBI store records on a company that wasnt even being
investigated. 9.11 happened a few months prior to FBI involvement
Is that so? So, the moment the FBI announces they are investigating someone or thing, that's when evidence collection starts?
do you have proof to the contrary to my claim, please, feel free to offer
it up since what was offered earlier was yet another conspiracy site with a
fuckload of erroneous information such as surface temps 5 days after the
event being 1300F as proof of explosives, It “collapsed completely in less
than seven seconds”; and it “dropped directly into its own footprint in a
smooth, vertical motion”; which contradicts one of their statements; “WTC
7’s rubble was mostly confined to the block on which the building stood.”
maybe you dont understand the process of an investigation, investigation
begins, evidence collection starts
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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do you think the FBI had any involvement in the '93 WTC bombing?
no
The man responsible for the bombing, (Salem? Salam?) recorded his interviews with the government officials who asked him to undertake the bombing. They gave him the materials, and set him up. He suspected it was a setup so taped his conversations with them. That youtube is a news report of the investigation.
maybe you should listen to that a little more carefully because the tapes
are for a separate investigation where these guys were going to blow up
several other landmarks. the FBI called off their shit with the bombing
because they believed the guy to be working both sides and the feds didnt
know the target
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
#15827169 - 02/18/12 09:05 AM (3 months, 9 days ago) |
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I dont hang out in this forum. I like that it exists, because honestly, I think 99.99999% of this stuff is BS... but bear with me for a second. If there is one conspiracy theory/coverup that you are 100% convinced is absolutely true, what is it?
I promise to do more research into the most convincing one.
i think that pharmaceutical companies have probably had a hand in keeping some drugs illegal. i'm not sure how active a role, but some drugs aren't patented and as profitable as new medications they come out with.
for instance, mdma probably has some extremely legit medical uses. pot, shrooms, etc. there's probably reasons people take these drugs other than just having fun. and, our bodies might have fun with them because of some benefit on a biological level. back to conspiracy though, maybe the pharmaceutical industry wants things illegal because of that? but i honestly doubt they try to keep those drugs from people because they work, more that they can't profit from them.
i also think they've probably helped to invent medical diagnosis to create a market for drugs they've made.
i think there's probably some truth to some of what i just wrote but i don't know if it counts as a conspiracy.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: blackdogs] 1
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according to wikipedia the pharmaceutical lobby tries to influence drug costs to benefit the companies, research info, and issues involving advertising to physicians. so, my conspiracy would be that the lobbyist also try to influence politicians about voting for stuff like medical marijuana, maybe even punishment laws and other things. that's the most realistic conspiracy i can think of.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: blackdogs]
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That conspiracy is true. The pharmaceutical industry is very against medical marijuana, and very much for harsh punishment of drug law violations. As is the alcohol industry.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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That conspiracy is true. The pharmaceutical industry is very against medical marijuana, and very much for harsh punishment of drug law violations. As is the alcohol industry.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: blackdogs] 1
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sure, you win the thread but now the pharmaceutical companies are going to
send some people to silence you... it's not much of a conspiracy because it's
all out in the open. big pharma's lobby efforts are public record
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15876017 - 02/28/12 11:53 AM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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pris why wont you say what conspiracy you think is most likely to be true.
im interested
Reagan made a secret deal with Iran to free the american hostages and
boost his popularity once he took office, in his time in office other
deals involving Iran were struck including the supply of arms in their war
against Iraq whom we were also arming. in the progression of these deals
Regan had the CIA flying cocaine into this country via the Mena Arkansas
airport. these shipments were protected by order of then Governor Bill
Clinton by the Arkansas state police. a couple of these cops were soon to
spill the beans and meat with an untimely demise just prior to testifying
in front of a secret grand jury. clinton was also heavily tied into the
S&L 'crisis' in which nearly a billion in funds were doled out to
financial institutions which subsequently failed and was never repaid and
the Whitewater scandal which resulted in he death of Vince Foster.
let's also reach back a little further and discuss the Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty which was violated by Carter when he armed the
Israelis with nukes and gave North Korea Nuclear Technology, Post 2001, GW
Bush gave North Korea $95 million to develop their nuclear program
claiming it was vital to the nation security interests of the US and
shortly thereafter NK was assigned as part of the 'axis of evil' because
they were developing nuclear weapons from their 'proliferation proof'
reactors... of course these are just a small part of the larger picture
which ties several administrations together with corruption
there's very real conspiracies out there, shit like chemtrails and 9/11
detract from exposing legitimate truths
When you have the time could you give a complete run down of this and possible influences and outcomes/motives?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: unknown1123]
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When you have the time could you give a complete run down of this and possible influences and outcomes/motives?
Look it up on the internet. Fuck's sakes.
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Look it up on the internet. Fuck's sakes.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: unknown1123]
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Viveka]
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: unknown1123]
#15885765 - 03/01/12 11:39 AM (2 months, 28 days ago) |
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Leopold and Loeb...Most likely they did conspire to murder bobby franks.
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9/11 - Obvious use of explosives. Buildings collapse at freefall speed in a clear demolition. One building falls that was not hit by a plane. US government overlooks and refuses to comment on overwhelming evidence.
The buildings didn't fall at anywhere near freefall speed...that's why you can see the debris falling faster than the buildings...you can also see the sides buckling in before the collapse where the floors sagged and pulled the steel inward...besides...it would have taken months to plant explosives...
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I dont hang out in this forum. I like that it exists, because honestly, I think 99.99999% of this stuff is BS... but bear with me for a second. If there is one conspiracy theory/coverup that you are 100% convinced is absolutely true, what is it?
I promise to do more research into the most convincing one.
That there is an elite that is behind the curtain--as it were--which in order to keep their power hierarchical structure in place want to keep control of our consciousnesses, because we are seen as slaves in need of their 'help'.
Have you heard of Edward Bernays? He wrote a book called Propaganda:
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In Propaganda (1928), Bernays argued that the manipulation of public opinion [consciousness] was a necessary part of democracy:
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind. [11]source
[Emphasis mine]
If you search his name at youtube you can watch this great documentary about all this called The Century of the Self
How this hidden elite manipulates the 'masses' via their mass media is through various means, text, image, etc.
Their biggest tool for suppression of consciousness, in my opinion, is their so-called 'war on drugs' which includes psychedelics which anceintly are the liberators and inspirers of our creative genius, and our sense of being [and also NOTICE that the drugs they not only dont wage war against but spend millions and millions pushing on us ALSO suppress consciousness!)
Think of this like food. IF say this hidden elite and their thuggish SEEN supporters suppressed vitamin C we would get scurvey etc. Suppressing nutrition brings dis-ease---so it is the same with suppression of Sacred Medicine!
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Enlil]
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9/11 - Obvious use of explosives. Buildings collapse at freefall speed in a clear demolition. One building falls that was not hit by a plane. US government overlooks and refuses to comment on overwhelming evidence.
The buildings didn't fall at anywhere near freefall speed...that's why you can see the debris falling faster than the buildings...you can also see the sides buckling in before the collapse where the floors sagged and pulled the steel inward...besides...it would have taken months to plant explosives...
Building 7 wasn't hit by any plane.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Building 7 wasn't hit by any plane.
No...it was hit by pieces of another building that collapsed when it was hit by a plane...and there were some massive fires...here is what it looked like.
That looks like a pretty big fire to me...and it was allowed to burn for hours without anyone attempting to put it out...
There are tons of eyewitness reports of people that heard it creaking...and many knew it was going to fall...that's why the fire department decided to pull people out hours before it actually fell.
Experts at the scene saw the damage..saw the fires...and knew it would fall...and it did...why is it so mysterious now?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
#15891821 - 03/02/12 05:43 PM (2 months, 26 days ago) |
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The truest conspiracy is the one you orchestrate against yourself every day.
At least I believe MY OWN BS. Or, "Believe me out of it."
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Building 3 also collapsed fully. Nobody talks about it. It wasn't hit by a plane. It was a steel structure.
Buildings 3-6 all partially collapsed. Nobody talks about them. They weren't hit by planes. They were steel structures.
St. Nicholas Church? Collapsed. No plane.
Why do people think WTC 7 is a smoking gun?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Cervantes]
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Building 3 also collapsed fully. Nobody talks about it. It wasn't hit by a plane. It was a steel structure.
Buildings 3-6 all partially collapsed. Nobody talks about them. They weren't hit by planes. They were steel structures.
St. Nicholas Church? Collapsed. No plane.
Why do people think WTC 7 is a smoking gun?
Building 3 collapsed almost completely because it was completely covered by debris first from building 2, then building 1. In fact after it got hit by the debris of tower 2, it didn't collapse even though it looked like this:
After tower 1 fell there were still some of the bottom floors standing:
It was standing right next to the towers remember:
This is what happended to building 7:
In contrast, this is what happended to building 4:
building 5:
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Electric Rainbow]
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classwarfare is the theory that is true..... sad but soooo...
impisoning americans is big $ and they say it rehabilitation.. {drugwar} fail... does driving on a suspend warrent 5 yrs? or getting caught wit 14 pot plants warrent 5 yrs being a ms patient, nj chris cristie says so, child molestors get a yr.
feds busting everybody in mmj.. big pharma is behind that...
republicans are really conservitive..lol... there ideals come from the thinking of the corperations that give them $ for reelection...
mitt romney owns half of fox news and clear channel- rush limbaugh.. have u noticed how they dog the other candiates, not that i like them,, except paul, which wont even go on fox news cause all he gets is loaded questions...
i can go on and on
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Electric Rainbow]
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Building 3 also collapsed fully. Nobody talks about it. It wasn't hit by a plane. It was a steel structure.
Buildings 3-6 all partially collapsed. Nobody talks about them. They weren't hit by planes. They were steel structures.
St. Nicholas Church? Collapsed. No plane.
Why do people think WTC 7 is a smoking gun?
Building 3 collapsed almost completely because it was completely covered by debris first from building 2, then building 1. In fact after it got hit by the debris of tower 2, it didn't collapse even though it looked like this:
After tower 1 fell there were still some of the bottom floors standing:
It was standing right next to the towers remember:
This is what happended to building 7:
In contrast, this is what happended to building 4:
building 5:
and building 6:
I'm guessing your point is this is somehow evidence that WTC7 was done on purpose? Lol, is this the latest line of "reasoning" being tested by the Truth Movement?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Viveka]
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Two WTC buildings were hit by planes on 9/11. All seven either collapsed fully or partially collapsed and WTC 7 is the smoking gun?
Give me a break.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Viveka]
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I'm guessing your point is this is somehow evidence that WTC7 was done on purpose? Lol, is this the latest line of "reasoning" being tested by the Truth Movement?
No I was just replying to his question why everyone thinks WTC7 is the smoking gun...
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Electric Rainbow]
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And that reason is? A photograph?
You said, "This is what happened to WTC 7" then you posted a pic of it after it fell.
That is not a reason. It is not an explanation.
Notice, the biggest buildings fell the most completely?
Isn't it plausible to think that is because gravity played as much of role as fire and damage?
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And that reason is? A photograph?
You said, "This is what happened to WTC 7" then you posted a pic of it after it fell.
That is not a reason. It is not an explanation.
Notice, the biggest buildings fell the most completely?
Isn't it plausible to think that is because gravity played as much of role as fire and damage?
I didn't offer an explanation about what happened, I just showed why most people believe WTC7 is the smoking gun. Because it's just counter-intuitive that a building just collapses in on itself while others didn't, but i'm not stating it was a controlled demolition.
I find I don't have enough convincing evidence to say it was, nor do I think the official story is sound. But i'm tired looking into all the dirt finding real answers.
So yeah gravity could play a role, but I find such a collapse very inconsistent in comparison with the other buildings. That's really all I can say about it...
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The bottom of the building had been dug out and a fire burned all day fueled by three deisel generators.
Since the bottom of the structure was already damaged before the fire, I am not surprised that the collapse started at the bottom. The bottom supported the weight of the floors above it.
A smaller building would support much less waight above the bottom floors.
People seem to forget that WTC 7 wasn't the only building to collapse that day that was not hit by a plane.
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Here's the layout. As the post above points out, 4,5, and 6 were crushed by falling parts from towers 1 and 2.
7 is a little far away and it collapses from the bottom. It's pretty tall here in this schematic. In reality it was 52 stories tall, compared to towers 1,2 of 105 stories.
In the videos of 1 and 2 collapsing, it's seen they fall almost straight down. Clearly this isn't the case with towers 4,5,6 because they caught parts flying off. The taller building of wtc 7 may be far enough away, and tall enough, to have avoided components falling on it and damaging it. Perhaps.
But then it fell all at once, opposed to the dust settling and everyone seeing that the other, shorter, buildings had been smooshed. But we can see 7 falling like a rock. From an internal structure beam 'failing,' likely because of an explosion. Perhaps office fires burned hot enough to melt the main support beam of a 52 story building.
The world will never know. For awhile, at least.
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There have already been pics of the damage to the bottom of WTC that have been posted in this thread. If you failed to notice them the first time, why should I repost?
The 6 was damaged by debris and several videos show the towers hitting WTC 7 Soloman bldg. are you denying THAT happened? Do you need me to post it for you?
Are you denying that the main damage to Bldg. 7 was at the bottom of the building? Then fire?
Do you chop a tree down from the top? What surprises you about this building collapsing from where it was burned and damaged?
How does someone rig explosives to a towering inferno?
Does it amaze you that WTC 7 fell along with (at least partially) all the other buildings in the complex.. along with other buildings outside the complex which were also destroyed and/or had to be taken down?
Let me ask you, how many NYC buildings were destroyed or had to be destroyed because of 9/11?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Tri High]
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Here's the layout. As the post above points out, 4,5, and 6 were crushed by falling parts from towers 1 and 2.
7 is a little far away and it collapses from the bottom. It's pretty tall here in this schematic. In reality it was 52 stories tall, compared to towers 1,2 of 105 stories.
Actually, if you watch the video of bldg 7 falling, it doesn't start at the bottom...It starts at the top. The mechanical penthouse on the roof collapses into the building a few seconds before the rest of the building comes down. This indicates that the roof below it collapsed and the equipment on the roof went crashing down through it. How many floors it went through is unknown, but it certainly disappeared from site.
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In the videos of 1 and 2 collapsing, it's seen they fall almost straight down. Clearly this isn't the case with towers 4,5,6 because they caught parts flying off. The taller building of wtc 7 may be far enough away, and tall enough, to have avoided components falling on it and damaging it. Perhaps.
Actually, there are many witness statements talking about a 20 story hole in the side of building from pieces of the larger tower when it went down.
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But then it fell all at once, opposed to the dust settling and everyone seeing that the other, shorter, buildings had been smooshed. But we can see 7 falling like a rock. From an internal structure beam 'failing,' likely because of an explosion. Perhaps office fires burned hot enough to melt the main support beam of a 52 story building.
The world will never know. For awhile, at least.
No one has ever offered the explanation that fires melted the steel in building 7. That is a straw man created by the 911 truthers. The official investigation concluded that fires left burning for hours heated the steel and weakened it. This, along with the physical damage that the structure suffered from being hit by debris is what brought down wtc 7.
In addition, it didn't fall into it's own footprint. When WTC 7 went down, it damaged the buildings around it...in some cases, so severely that they had to be demolished as well.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Enlil]
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It didn't start to fall from the top. The penthouse seems to collapse first in the videos because you don't see the other side of the building in the videos. Everything below the penthouse started to fall before the penthouse did. Then the other supports gave out and the rest of building 7 went with them.
Aside from that, I agree with your post.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Enlil]
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An EXPERT in controlled demolition,Danny Jowenko, watched the video closely, and saw plans of buildings, etc--see videos below ---and said it was DEFINATELY a controlled demolition that was carefully planned. When told the collapse happened on September 11, he was VERY surprised!,
R.I.P. Danny Jowenko - WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 1 of 3
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: zzripz]
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Fallacy: Appeal to Authority
Here is an article about the tallest building ever imploded with demolition charges...check out how much had to be done...those guys must have been pretty busy to do the towers that fast...not to mention break the record three times in one day!
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/jl-hudson-department-store
My favorite part:
CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Enlil] 1
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CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition
why would they waste all that time and money placing so many explosives?
couldn't they just gouge out a corner and set a few fires?
sounds like they overpaid
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: dynomite]
#15914005 - 03/07/12 12:25 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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The Zionist infiltration of the US Government. Did you miss Obama's hour long speech the other day on why we must defend Israel at all costs? 9/11 was a false flag by MOSSAD to get the American people riled up about killing Muslims and invading the Middle East so once it's worn-torn and dead, Israel can finally expand and take over. The Jews have been exiled from almost every civilization through-out history for their dehumanizing and scheming ways for the better good of the Jews and they think non-Jews are the problem for them being cast away.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: dynomite]
#15914171 - 03/07/12 01:06 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition
why would they waste all that time and money placing so many explosives?
couldn't they just gouge out a corner and set a few fires?
sounds like they overpaid
Don't forget, they need to have a 20 story hole in the side of the building and be willing to do massive damage to the surrounding buildings as well...that's probably what they wanted to avoid.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
#15915621 - 03/07/12 05:49 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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everyone knows the reptilians are real.
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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Psychoslut]
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everyone knows the reptilians are real.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Nullface] 1
#15918269 - 03/08/12 06:54 AM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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The Zionist infiltration of the US Government. Did you miss Obama's hour long speech the other day on why we must defend Israel at all costs? 9/11 was a false flag by MOSSAD to get the American people riled up about killing Muslims and invading the Middle East so once it's worn-torn and dead, Israel can finally expand and take over. The Jews have been exiled from almost every civilization through-out history for their dehumanizing and scheming ways for the better good of the Jews and they think non-Jews are the problem for them being cast away.
I feel very uncomfortable when talking about this to say it's all the "JEWS" fault, because I know what that shit has done in the past. Please know that it is not ALL Jewish people, but Zionists who are behind all the evil shit. You have, for example Jewish people as horrified as you about what is happened. Your stance would be like a Muslim thinking ALL Americans are behind the bombing of their homelands, and contamination of the land with depleted uranium, and torture, etc etc, and I assume YOU are not... right? But you feel helpess against it? So do many Jewish people against Zionism.
If you wanna know the truth the whole fukin Abrahamic religions I see as a big cause of the troubles in the world, but I also do about the New Agers and the Occult. So pointing a finger at the 'Jews' as a race that IF gotten rid of is the solution is not the 'solution'---THAT horrific idea has been tried, and if you are a Holocaust denier think how you feel now about Jews?
Our fucked up prime minister is spreading propaganda that britain could expect nuclear missiles coming here from Iran! This is EXACTLY the same tired old shit lies Tony fukin BLIAR said about the immenent danger of Saddam Hussein's 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', all of which was shown to be as false as his lying ugly toxic smiling mask.
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*yawn*
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: snoot]
#15920158 - 03/08/12 02:15 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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*yawn*
yeah? see if you'd "yawn" if it were your child damaged or killed by a fukin bomb dropping on ya from up above!
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: zzripz]
#15920169 - 03/08/12 02:18 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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Thats not entirely it. I do care, but this conversation has been going on for so long, and just goes in circles.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: snoot]
#15922926 - 03/09/12 01:20 AM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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Thats not entirely it. I do care, but this conversation has been going on for so long, and just goes in circles.
Doesn't reality go around in circles?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: zzripz]
#15925176 - 03/09/12 02:28 PM (2 months, 20 days ago) |
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Well, you take your theory into all threads, even when it is off topic. It does get old.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Cervantes]
#15929097 - 03/10/12 10:43 AM (2 months, 19 days ago) |
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Well, you take your theory into all threads, even when it is off topic. It does get old.
Ohhh I seee, and you DONT take YOUR theory into other threads? I see I see. [sarcasm]
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: zzripz]
#15940926 - 03/13/12 02:28 AM (2 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hmmm the most likely to be true, well the most likely conspiracy theory to be true is in fact true, and it's not even being hidden.
We are sailing down a path full speed ahead that will eventually slam us headlong into a brick wall, have we thought about slowing up perhaps, nope not in the slightest if anything we are pushing the pedal down speeding our own demise.
We are becoming more reliant on things we have absolutely no need for, we are giving away more and more freedoms each and every day, we are becoming isolated and dissociated from those around us, and society as a whole.
Worst of all for the most we are lapping it up and asking for more, and those that don't get thrown into the crackpot category. So how is this a conspiracy theory as opposed to an ideological problem? I honestly believe that this is the way society is being structured, intentionally for no other reason then to have more and more control over the populous to the point where the majority are no more than drones and don't even realise it.
oh....and JFK also...how that shit is even still labelled as "just a conspiracy theory" has me completely fucked.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Stopwhispering]
#15966465 - 03/19/12 07:27 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: blackdogs]
#15966989 - 03/19/12 10:34 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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That conspiracy is true. The pharmaceutical industry is very against medical marijuana, and very much for harsh punishment of drug law violations. As is the alcohol industry.
do i win the thread??
no you dont, certain members on this site dont like it when you start talking about nutrition > anti-psychotics and benzo's
but if your having problemswith drugs and need help check out what nd's are in your area go to resource section
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likeliest to be true? [Re: hidenseek]
#15966997 - 03/19/12 10:37 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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btw, did this thread become the conspiracies are real thread?
trust your government , but question them all the way
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: hidenseek]
#15966998 - 03/19/12 10:38 AM (2 months, 10 days ago) |
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Check into interviews with retired astronauts that swear they saw UFOs while in orbit. Also the 9/11 government done deed is interesting
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