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#15803641 - 02/13/12 02:41 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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As for 9/11, I think the method was what we saw, planes into buildings.
Planes did fly into buildings. But that could not have made the buildings fall down that quickly.
gravity
Gravity would be an acceptable explanation if the buildings fell more slowly and less evenly. But they came down at freefall speed - The speed they would fall at if there were no supports at all. If the supports were still in place, they would have offered resistance to gravity, so they must have been removed with explosives.
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as for 9/11, I just find it incredibly hard to believe that they could rig those buildings to blow without anyone noticing.
Actually, as a security expert, I would find that extremely easy. All they would need to go is get a job as a night security guard/supervisor to get full access. Or just dress like one. I have walked into extremely secure government facilities with nothing more than a clipboard, a fire inspector uniform and 10 minutes of fire inspection training from a real fireman. No one turns away a fire inspector, especially if you schedule the inspection in advance.
There was also that slightly disturbing thing about a building shutdown of some sort a couple days before the attacks.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky] 3
#15804263 - 02/13/12 04:38 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I dont hang out in this forum. I like that it exists, because honestly, I think 99.99999% of this stuff is BS... but bear with me for a second. If there is one conspiracy theory/coverup that you are 100% convinced is absolutely true, what is it?
I promise to do more research into the most convincing one.
If you care to search and study you will know that the majority of the world's
resources are sitting on a very limited number of hands, and that these ownerships
are carefully administered through inheritance. The most rich and powerful people
are very rarely presented in the mass media. That is where the true power lies.
As for cover-ups, very little distraction is needed to steer the mind of the populace elsewhere.
You can listen to for instance Noam Chomsky for 600 hours, and you will probably learn a lot
about what is happening.
But it is usually very little you can do to fight the "beast", so to speak. If your aim is
to infiltrate with an intent to defeat the world order, you will soon enough find enough
comfort in its facilities, and thus lose the battle. Funny what a good steady pay will do
to your rebellious nature.
In essence, this is not even a conspiracy itself, although speaking about it too loud and
too much will discomfort your surroundings to the degree where you will at last find
yourself lumped in with the nutcases. Some of them are touching valid points, but then
suddenly one will mention reptilians (David Icke) or ninjas (Ben Fulford) and there you go...
And of course, the principle of "divide and conquer" is essential. Read Machiavelli.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Anglerfish]
#15804280 - 02/13/12 04:41 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Insightful post. +1 and +5.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15804303 - 02/13/12 04:48 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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We haven't had a good 9/11 thread in here for a while now.
I'm sure you'd get plenty of replies if you started one... alas, this thread is about something else.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Cervantes]
#15804660 - 02/13/12 05:45 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Sodium fluoride in the water is always a good one. Plenty of toxic waste, and it's been tradition from way back when to dump whatever in the river and then it's someone else problem downstream.
This way, toxic run off from mining and refining can be sold in toothpaste and water. I'm pretty sure sodium monofluorophosphate is a by product of phosphorous mining.
The conspiracy bit is convincing people that instead of this being some nasty toxic shit like run off from an abattoir or chemical lab that this is good and wholesome and you should drink it and water your lawn with it to (in case the grass gets cavities?)
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Visionary Tools]
#15805078 - 02/13/12 06:49 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Actually I was kidding about the illuminati conspiracy. But here is one conspiracy that is legitimate and affects millions of people globally. It affected me personally.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: reeferaddict69]
#15805129 - 02/13/12 06:57 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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9/11 is the big one, george bush...
Fema camps,
Wall street corruption is a BIG one.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15805764 - 02/13/12 08:44 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Actually, as a security expert, I would find that extremely easy. All they would need to go is get a job as a night security guard/supervisor to get full access. Or just dress like one. I have walked into extremely secure government facilities with nothing more than a clipboard, a fire inspector uniform and 10 minutes of fire inspection training from a real fireman. No one turns away a fire inspector, especially if you schedule the inspection in advance.
There was also that slightly disturbing thing about a building shutdown of some sort a couple days before the attacks.
maybe you should read some of the big 9/11 threads in this forum. I have
experience in both concrere and steel construction as well as in demolition
just because this event appeared in a way you want to believe it happened,
that doesnt mean it did
here's some food for thought
it would take about 9mos to rig the buildings for demolition, they
cant use remote detonation because NYC is full of radio signals,
wired detonation would require a large team to plant the charges and
conceal the wires, that would involve tearing out drywall, replacing
it and repainting. a process that would require 3 days for each entry
how would they accomplish these feats, how did they conceal the miles of
wire, how did they conceal the thousands of feet of wire that ran from the
building to the control panels. radio controlled charges could have failed
or prematurely detonated
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#15806522 - 02/13/12 11:38 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Conventional remote control detonation with cheap receivers would perhaps not work, but it would be easy to get radio receivers that would work there and detonate charges. FM radios and cell phones work in these buildings, so they are not impervious to radio waves. A high powered transmitter with decent receivers (good front end filtering) on an unused frequency would work.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15806585 - 02/14/12 12:08 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I've run the possibility of the US government letting 9/11 happen, but I doubt that's true. It's impossible for it to be an "inside job" don't buy into that inforwars bullshit fear-mongering.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 2
#15806661 - 02/14/12 12:48 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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The truth about the government is that they are incredibly fucking boring. I should know, I worked for the US federal government for 8 years in information security. I was in charge of keeping their secrets from becoming known, and I did that well. If you learned all their secrets, you would be bored to death.
The evil things the government does stem from extreme negligence and failures of the political system, not because they are out to get you.
Tell that to the victims of:
Nazi Germany
Imperial Japan
Communist China (prominently the Great Cultural Revolution and the Famine),
Soviet Russia
Kampuchea (Cambodia under Pol Pot)
Fascist Italy
Fascist Spain
Dirty War in Chile
Desaparacidos of Argentina
Apartheid South Africa
Sectarian Iraq
Sectarian Rawanda
women, homosexuals and other oppressed groups in Arab and African countries,
and last on this list but most CERTAINLY not least: Drug War victims the world over; many MILLIONS of individuals who suffer on a daily basis due to the policies and dictats of the United States government including threatening gestures and speech towards nations that consider NOT harming peaceful substance users (or abusers).
How about American blacks held in chattel slavery conditions until 1865? How about the period between 1865 and 1965 (and beyond, most mostly that period) when MANY MANY blacks were openly lynched, raped, robbed, completely unable to find work, discriminated against in terms of use of "public property", eligibility to hold public office and overall "second-class citizen, if that" status? I pray that no one responds that "private citizens" performed these actions. It would be an affront to history and I won't even bother to retort.
Government is evil. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is NEVER right to steal. It is WRONG to steal from Bill Gates to feed hungry children in Africa. IT IS WRONG.
Government is based off of and requires compulsory funding: read THEFT. If you refuse to pay you will be physically agressed against: your property stolen at gunpoint or your body kidnapped and held in a dungeon until they let you go.
This is evil and it's wrong and people who support it will suffer the consequences of their actions.
People who participate in this business as "Correctional Officers", members of the judicial system (with the exception of defense attorneys), law enforcement, holders of public office, people who donate money to the people calling themselves government, people who support the non-extant "government" with their moral and verbal encouragement:
ALL of these individuals will be held to account for the part that THEY played in the suffering of their brethern just as surely as those neighbors of Jews who "failed to notice" the mass arrests and truck-transports to death camps are being held responsible for their behaviors now.
This will not be forgotten. You will NOT be excused. You will not permit YOURSELF the excuse. The only way to regain balance will be to experience what you contributed towards others experiencing.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Humility]
#15806680 - 02/14/12 12:58 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Good points, though my statement was referring to the modern US government.
I consider the war on drugs to be incompetence more than vindictiveness, mostly due to lack of knowledge about drugs and incorrect cost/benefit analysis. It surely is vindictive in effect and some cops enjoy enforcing drug laws.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15806695 - 02/14/12 01:05 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Hrm; you're probably right in that regard. I will admit many people in government are thoroughly confused and not necessarily seeking to hurt people.
Others understand what they're doing and are comfortable with it because they get paid for it.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15807036 - 02/14/12 05:05 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Conventional remote control detonation with cheap receivers would perhaps not work, but it would be easy to get radio receivers that would work there and detonate charges. FM radios and cell phones work in these buildings, so they are not impervious to radio waves. A high powered transmitter with decent receivers (good front end filtering) on an unused frequency would work.
there's no such thing as an unused frequency because in cities like new york
there's a great deal of radio interference, one frequency can bleed over to
another and a security guard simply keying up a radio within a few meters of
one of these detonators would cause a premature detonation regardless of the
frequency... several years back pokesmot discovered the problem with radio
receivers and explosives. even in fairly remote areas they pose a problem
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15807056 - 02/14/12 05:18 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I've run the possibility of the US government letting 9/11 happen, but I doubt that's true. It's impossible for it to be an "inside job" don't buy into that inforwars bullshit fear-mongering.
I agree completely, it was allowed to happen because it was already exposed
that they (FBI) had prior knowledge and were told that it was not within the
scope of their authority to investigate... even though that's their job
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Good points, though my statement was referring to the modern US government.
I consider the war on drugs to be incompetence more than vindictiveness, mostly due to lack of knowledge about drugs and incorrect cost/benefit analysis. It surely is vindictive in effect and some cops enjoy enforcing drug laws.
it's not incompetence, it's willful disregard for the facts. simply look
up the job description for the drug czar because it includes denial of any
positive medical benefit for any illicit drug even though this information
has been available since before Reagan stepped up the WoD and created the
drug czar position
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15807107 - 02/14/12 05:46 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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there's no such thing as an unused frequency
There are many unused frequencies anywhere you go. I have a spectrum analyzer and can see a graphical readout of which frequencies are in use. Huge blocks of the spectrum are allocated to things like military aircraft, and no one ever transmits there. For example, 180 - 215 Mhz, 250 - 400 Mhz, or 500 - 700 Mhz. There are literally millions of unused radio channels if you are willing to break FCC rules.
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because in cities like new york
there's a great deal of radio interference, one frequency can bleed over to
another and a security guard simply keying up a radio within a few meters of
one of these detonators would cause a premature detonation regardless of the
frequency...
The detonators don't look for any signal on the correct frequency, that would be insane. They look for a certain digital code to be transmitted on the correct frequency. You can transmit as much as you want on the detonators frequency, if you aren't sending the correct pattern of 1's and 0's, no detonation.
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several years back pokesmot discovered the problem with radio
receivers and explosives. even in fairly remote areas they pose a problem
Cheap radio receivers have that problem. A good radio receiver that does not have that problem could be mass produced for about $30 each.
Your cell phone doesn't ring every time a security guard keys up his radio. No amount of radio frequency interference could cause your cell phone to ring. Only the correct pattern of 1's and 0's does that.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 2
#15807967 - 02/14/12 11:08 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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1) UFOs (not ancient aliens, but that aliens are here and they're up to something)
2) JFK
Those are really the only ones I'm sure about.
I am also beginning to believe that international bankers have in fact conspired through out history to influence the affairs of many nations.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#15808239 - 02/14/12 12:40 PM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
9/11 - Obvious use of explosives. Buildings collapse at freefall speed in a clear demolition. One building falls that was not hit by a plane. US government overlooks and refuses to comment on overwhelming evidence.
-Yeah its hard to ignore. Im not sold on the idea that "we" actually brought the
towers down at this point but I do feel strongly about the government knowing this
was going to happen and not taking the completely necessary steps to stop it. That
alone should have landed all the fuckers in jail.
-Though I do not really believe this to be considered "conspiracy" I
do very much believe there is and has been an "extraterrestrial" presence
around this planet.
-As someone mentioned before JFK is another clear cut conspiracy that has yet
to be fully known. Probably never will know.
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: 5-HT2A]
#15809621 - 02/14/12 05:20 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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1) UFOs (not ancient aliens, but that aliens are here and they're up to something)
2) JFK
Those are really the only ones I'm sure about.
I am also beginning to believe that international bankers have in fact conspired through out history to influence the affairs of many nations.
What do you feel is the most convincing evidence of aliens?
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Re: Ok... What is the conspiracy theory likliest to be true? [Re: supernovasky]
#15809794 - 02/14/12 05:44 PM (3 months, 12 days ago) |
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If you are interested this may be a good place for you to start.
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