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#15799711 - 02/12/12 06:53 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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So I was a Wally World today and noticed they had some "EZ Felt" in the craft section. It was only 20 cents a sheet so I picked some up for possible lid filters.
When I got home I looked up some posts and it looks like most people were using "stiffened" felt. The stuff I got is a flexible (tho strong) fabric.
Is this going to work for a lid filter. (maybe double it up?) or should I just look out for the stiffened stuff...The brand name is "Craft Felts" made with "eco-fi" Kinda tired of working with crappy postal tyvek.
Maybe if not for lids, would it work for my monotubs?
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 Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: CMOS]
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Stiffined it just ironed and pressed really. It shouldnt make a difference. I would double up for safety, But personally I wouldnt bother with easyfelt. I have nad nothing but problems with it.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
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Never used it and honestly first time ive seen it on here (im sure there are plenty of threads and info) but it looks like if it were to get wet, it would attract contams like crazy
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: Swwert]
#15800122 - 02/12/12 08:16 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Here is what I was referencing.....
EZ FELT TEK
I ended up making three lids with it to try out. I'm about to start an LC and needed a lid, but I think I will stick with normal postal Tyvek for it. (LCs make me nervous...) I'll try the felt ones on some test PF teks or grains.
I just wanted to move away from tyvek cause its getting beat up and a couple of them look like they might have micro tears in em.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: CMOS]
#15800146 - 02/12/12 08:22 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Yes that's the wrong felt buddy. You want to go to michaels Craft store and find it in the felt section. It's like $1.99 a sheet. If you sign up for their newsletter you'll get a 50% discount so that could help. Or I could send you Some in trade?
Anyways you want the stiff kind. It's essentially ironed down polyfil. I got this information straight from the user who made the EZ felt tek.
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This sounds correct.
Try again, OP.
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Meh..only spent 60cents on the stuff so no lost. There is a Michaels in the next town over so I'll just pick some up there.
I'll stick with tyvek for the time being, cause I wanna get going on my agar->LC.
Using the correct type of EZ Felt, has anyone noticed increased contam rates over something like tyvek? Would it be worth it to just order real SFDs online and redo all my jar lids?
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: CMOS]
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If you don't mind waiting for it to ship then you should go with the SFDs.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: San]
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Yea I think the only difference (as I understand) in SFD and issue in performance with EZfelt is that SFD are water •resistant unlike EZfelt•. So I'd go that route. I havnt had a single contam with EZfelt.
You don't only have to go to Michaels. If you have a Joanne's or Beverley's I believe they both carry it and will each take each others coupons as well 
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Yeah think I'll just go with the EZ Felt. (for now at least) Its like 1/10th the cost of SFD and I can get it nearby. Taking the extra time to put foil on a jar before PCing doesn't really matter to me.
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My EZ felt experiment: The filter test
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Excellent...I was looking for something like this with the search function.
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12 jars is hardly enough data to make conclusive general statements like that.
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Yea I think the only difference (as I understand) in SFD and EZfelt is that SFD are waterproof. So I'd go that route. I havnt had a single contam with EZfelt.
You don't only have to go to Michaels. If you have a Joanne's or Beverley's I believe they both carry it and will each take each others coupons as well
the difference is that SFD filter down to .3 micron with 99.99% efficiency. EZ felt doesnt.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
#15800357 - 02/12/12 09:01 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Cool. Was talking about performance.
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My EZ felt experiment: The filter test
with 3 jars to test, if one contams thats a 33% contam rate. thats way to high for any mycologist. vendor SFD might show 1 jar contam out of 1000. (99.99%) the only way to go IMO, besides 90mm sfd can be cut in to 8 or more lids. this is anout 20c ea, witch isnt much more than ez felt.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: San]
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12 jars is hardly enough data to make conclusive general statements like that.
You dont have to accept the data if you dont want to. I dont think anyone else has run a test similar to that one though. And I dont need agar plates to last as long as that test did anyway.
In my experience the EZ felt maintained the same standard as the commercial SFD's. A lot of experienced growers have used the stuff and have found that it works just fine for the average hobbiest. I haven't had any problems with it so far, and I use both the EZ felt and commercial SFD's. Both seem to work equally well for me, the big difference is that I can make 6 EZ felt wide mouth disks for about 2 bucks, and I can pick it up locally.
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12 jars is hardly enough data to make conclusive general statements like that.
You dont have to accept the data if you dont want to. I dont think anyone else has run a test similar to that one though. And I dont need agar plates to last as long as that test did anyway.
In my experience the EZ felt maintained the same standard as the commercial SFD's. A lot of experienced growers have used the stuff and have found that it works just fine for the average hobbiest. I haven't had any problems with it so far, and I use both the EZ felt and commercial SFD's. Both seem to work equally well for me, the big difference is that I can make 6 EZ felt wide mouth disks for about 2 bucks, and I can pick it up locally.
do that experiment with 100 jars for each filter, then you can call that "data" and believe me, your not the first to try this..
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
#15801167 - 02/12/12 11:28 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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do that experiment with 100 jars for each filter, then you can call that "data"
I did my own experiment, it was good enough for me. If you want to disprove it, then you do a hundred jars. Im good with my findings.
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your you're not the first to try this..
Cite your examples, and post the results.
Again, if you dont like it then dont accept it, and dont use EZ felt.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
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12 jars is hardly enough data to make conclusive general statements like that.
You dont have to accept the data if you dont want to. I dont think anyone else has run a test similar to that one though. And I dont need agar plates to last as long as that test did anyway.
In my experience the EZ felt maintained the same standard as the commercial SFD's. A lot of experienced growers have used the stuff and have found that it works just fine for the average hobbiest. I haven't had any problems with it so far, and I use both the EZ felt and commercial SFD's. Both seem to work equally well for me, the big difference is that I can make 6 EZ felt wide mouth disks for about 2 bucks, and I can pick it up locally.
do that experiment with 100 jars for each filter, then you can call that "data" and believe me, your not the first to try this..
he doesnt need to use 100 jars. 12 jars was plenty, he wasnt checking anything mushroom related. He simply put some agar in jars. When testing you flow hood you dont need to leave a 100 petri dishes open to see if they get contaminated...
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: TacoHerder]
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The Stickerz Felt shows contamination in 2 of the 3 jars
at the very least it showed that the stickerz felt is bunk.
I am going to pick some EZ felt out tomorrow and see how well it works. (probably not going to trust it with my LC's tho....) If it does have a success rate comparable to SFD (and maybe higher than tyvek?) then it seems that it is an attractive offer for people on a budget or who don't want to order stuff online.
Anyways thanks for the input guys. If anyone else has firsthand success/failure stories of EZ Felt post em.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: TacoHerder]
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I have been using the non-ironed EZ felt, eco-fi stuff. Have used it on about 20 jars so far. Zero contams. I sometimes use a layer of postal tyvek in addition, but it works great without it too. I was concerned how the stuff would hold up on repeated washing and pressure cooking. Works great for me. Way cheaper and more readily available than SFD's. 
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do that experiment with 100 jars for each filter, then you can call that "data"
I did my own experiment, it was good enough for me. If you want to disprove it, then you do a hundred jars. Im good with my findings.
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your you're not the first to try this..
Cite your examples, and post the results.
Again, if you dont like it then dont accept it, and dont use EZ felt.
I hope you feel special correcting my sspelling that's typed from a phone. And I don't like it, I don't accept you so called "data" and I don't use ez felt. Sfd, withh 99.99% success is good for me.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
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I'm getting ready to do some rye jars for a couple MSG's and I'm going to try EZ Felt filters. I'm going to do about 10 jars, I've only used tyvek so far and haven't had any contams yet so I wont be able to come to any conclusions, but I'll and my  to this thread anyways. 
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
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The other difference is ANYONE can use a SFD withh 100% success. Not every one can use ez felt with even 75% success.. That means any fucking moron can grow with sfd. And you won't even fuck anything up!
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
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The other difference is ANYONE can use a SFD with 100% success. Not every one can use ez felt with even 75% success.. That means any fucking moron can grow with sfd. And you won't even fuck anything up!
Im sorry you have some anger issues here... BUT, not everyone can get SFD like they can ez felt. Im not sure where you get the 75% contam rate either, none of his contaminated. No one is saying ez felt is better, just it works just as good from what the current data is showing. Since his experiment is the only one over the subject, there isn't more like you claim. I could understand you bashing him if his experiment was inconsistent and done wrong, but he did it correct. You have a guy who said hes done 20 jars and zero contam rate, that still not good enough? How about the person who made the tek claiming the zero contam rate. Im still finding it very hard to see all these low rates, yet you keep coming up with a bad contam rate for them. Also anyone who used any spawn and it got contam could have caused the mess themselves. If you disagree with the solid proof shown by his experiment, then either do your own experiment or dont bitch and try to discredit someone else's. and sorry but no, not every moron can grow with SFD.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: TacoHerder]
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The beauty of this hobby is that there is multiple ways to do things. It adds the fun of trying new things give it to save money or shits and giggles. I've read up on ez felt it has mix results but usually it comes down to brand differences. No i have never used it I'm a tyvek user. :P
But even so its no reason to bash someone who has success. This means others maybe able to follow his/her footsteps with success. How do you think the tyvek tek came to become one of the excepted methods? The more people who try this means there is more data to be shared through the community to educate us all.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: PureHash]
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The other difference is ANYONE can use a SFD withh 100% success. Not every one can use ez felt with even 75% success.. That means any fucking moron can grow with sfd. And you won't even fuck anything up!
I would have to say success rate would depend more on sterile techniques used than what type of filter your jars had. Tyvek, EZ felt, SFD have all shown that they work. Which is actually better at not letting anything through except GE? Probably SFD's, but starting out I opted for something free and cheap. Tyvek and EZ felt. Just one less thing I had to order online. If I get start getting bad results with these I'll buy some SFDs. Until then I'll stick with whats worked with 100% success rate for me. Knock on wood. It's all a matter of preference.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: CMOS]
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is generic stiffened felt the same as ez felt? got some from michaels yesterday going to give the double layer a crack.
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Re: Wrong type of EZ felt? [Re: nboy]
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is generic stiffened felt the same as ez felt? got some from michaels yesterday going to give the double layer a crack.
Look for the Eco-Fi. Seems to be pretty much he same stuff just under different brand names. I also did a filter test on the stuff awhile back. The write up on that test can be found in my journal.
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