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 Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Rhizoid]
#15793723 - 02/11/12 04:23 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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It's kind of amusing to me that those who claim making drugs illegal is against our free right to choose would have rather taken the choice away from the individual and put it in the hands of the high priests of psychology.
You can bet only a very few here would have ever gotten hands on it.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15796168 - 02/12/12 02:49 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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It was as if his first trip turned out to be an amazing time, and he reacted like an obsessed child after that, driven by obsession(possibly addiction) more than passion.
Good for him, it wasn't his job to play nice.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: MushroomTrip] 1
#15796240 - 02/12/12 03:57 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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imo even if Leary never came to the forefront of popular culture, lsd would still be illegal. that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blingbling]
#15796358 - 02/12/12 05:23 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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duh
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15796432 - 02/12/12 06:11 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Just another dopehead who's good with words. I hate kids who look up to whoever looks cool that day..
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Xeny]
#15796521 - 02/12/12 06:58 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#15796542 - 02/12/12 07:07 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Someone else would have spear-headed LSD had the sperm that inseminated Leary's mom landed on a pubic hair instead. I really doubt that he was integral to positively promoting LSD, and agree with the OP that he fucked it up more than anything...
Really? The viewpoint you're espousing here is essentially the idea that individuals have no actual effect on the way reality unfolds, that everything would happen regardless of whether or not a specific individual existed... I hope you realize that this viewpoint is actually incorrect.
Do you think two people have the same charisma, the same force of their personality? Do you think the same roles, the same actions, exist independent of the people who carry them out? 
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It was as if his first trip turned out to be an amazing time, and he reacted like an obsessed child after that, driven by obsession(possibly addiction) more than passion.
You're clearly obsessed with eating because you do it all the damn time. Obviously eating is an obsession for you. Why are you so obsessed with eating?
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lolz point being was that if your mission is to change the world obtaining an $8 mil house shouldn't be your foremost goal
This point of view reeks of garbage. Hold your noses, girls and gals! 
Is this some kind of morality, or is it an instruction? If your goal is to "change the world", then you shouldn't place the utmost importance on acquiring an $8 million home.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15796642 - 02/12/12 07:40 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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double duh
I think the point is that taking something, is an individual experience. If a person smoked a cigarette every day and said it made him the happiest person ever, he'd have an experience that couldn't be said would be shared by all. Some would smoke cigarettes and say they give you cancer, others would say the cigarette has no effect on them psychologically at all. Did Timothy Leary get something out of lsd? Certainly
Was he perfect? No one is
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: imachavel]
#15798831 - 02/12/12 03:58 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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"Leary had great hair, and a smile that made the straits wanna punch him in the mouth.. but it was his radical views on love making that made him so attractive to me.. he leaned to the left."
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blackdogs] 1
#15816989 - 02/16/12 01:01 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Leary may have gotten us through the Cold War without blowing up the planet. Certainly today's society is more open minded (although it has a long way to go) because of his evangelism.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: JahLive]
#15817313 - 02/16/12 04:58 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Leary may have gotten us through the Cold War without blowing up the planet.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blingbling] 1
#15817315 - 02/16/12 04:59 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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It's true, I was going to blow up the planet until he came along and turned me on, tuned me in and dropped me a hit of acid.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15817334 - 02/16/12 05:07 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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your lying through your teeth  i know you would annihilate our planet given the chance.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: blingbling]
#15817339 - 02/16/12 05:10 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15818208 - 02/16/12 10:04 AM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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For a psychedelic community there sure are a lot of people bashing our hero's. I thought there would be more respect for those with the capacity and fervor to stand up for the plants and the experience they bring.
Instead people seem to feel the need to bash those who entered into the limelight at the expense of great ridicule, negativity and cultural hatred based on the bias against psychoactive substances.
Mostly I bet these people are mere juveniles who have not yet accomplished all that fuckin' much in their lives. The courage a Leary or a Mckenna had in public is hard to take away by posting in a forum though.
Instead of taking their lead and building up on their ideas and convictions there is no unity and therefore there will never be a society that understands what the psychedelic experience is about. McKenna said to look around you to his audiences. "This is your peer group." Yes we are diverse. And we can disagree. But if that diversity is not a sign that the psychedelic experience is worth something, for simply being experienced by such different people, then what is proof of its worth? Celebrate diversity and let's use these people as Leary and McKenna to unify rather than debunking them.
In the meantime I read that the world now lacks a typical figure like Leary or McKenna. Names are mentioned, but there is disagreement as to who is a worthy follow up.
I for one will be forever thankful for their courage and eloquence and devoting their life to something they believe in. The rest of us just go to work or school every day trying to get by in a world that doesn't give a damn.
I wish I could take that torch, but in my shy nature I am not so brave or eloquent or patient and all I regret is that I have never attended a seminar or discuss stuff with any of these guys. At the moment, because of McKenna mostly, I have defended the taking of my preferred substances to my girlfriend, which in itself a brave victory, she accepts it as I explain things to her. Her open mindedness is amazing and inspiring. Without my hero giving permission as he said it himself, to talk about these things, I might have hidden it from her.
And since I started to really try to understand what it is he was saying, I have been more open to people regarding drugs and how society deals with them. In discussions with others i am no longer so scared to explain and defend or just to inform about the use and the effects and what they are for.
McKenna for me has broken that open for me. And so I care little about people condemning Leary and how he went about it. At least he did something in the real world when there was no internet.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Vaipen]
#15819052 - 02/16/12 01:24 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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Timothy Leary is not one of my heroes and he doesn't have to be just because i use psychedelics. i have so much more respect for people like kesey and the pranksters, owsley, tim scully and shulgin then i ever will for leary with his huge ego and loud mouth.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: LeeHarvOz]
#15819339 - 02/16/12 02:27 PM (3 months, 11 days ago) |
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He had to have that loud mouth to get your attention.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: Icelander]
#15822773 - 02/17/12 09:18 AM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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 This guy's comments seem almost like he's trolling..
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It means I'm going to be great FYI. When I walk in a room everyone will notice. It feels very good for that to be your destiny.
Like wtf is this? Loosen that grip on your ego a bit dude.
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Re: Timothy Leary was a damn fool [Re: birdland]
#15823606 - 02/17/12 01:30 PM (3 months, 10 days ago) |
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He's already history.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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