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 Odd_Nonposter
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#15795195 - 02/11/12 09:16 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of a “designer drug”
The Poison Review
February 9, 2012, 6:07 pm
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This is an amazing report of 2 male patients who developed severe methemoglobinemia and hemolytic anemia after ingesting what they believed to be a psychedelic phenethylamine — 2C-E — purchased over the internet from a Chinese chemical manufacturer. Subsequent investigation revealed that the bitter yellow liquid they ingested was actually pure aniline, an organic compound whose metabolites are powerful oxidizing agents.
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 nooneman
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
#15795356 - 02/11/12 09:53 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Aniline apparently smells like rotting fish, so if your 2ce smells like rotting fish, toss it.
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Demonic_Chronic
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: nooneman]
#15795675 - 02/11/12 11:02 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
#15795792 - 02/11/12 11:36 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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"Subsequent investigation revealed that the bitter yellow liquid they ingested"
dont we all know that its not a liquid?
cmon guys...
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nooneman
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: k00laid]
#15796231 - 02/12/12 03:48 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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k00laid said:
"Subsequent investigation revealed that the bitter yellow liquid they ingested"
dont we all know that its not a liquid?
cmon guys...
They probably added it to water to dose. I don't have experience with 2CE, but I'm betting that if you add it to water it should be clear, not yellow. So, yellow in water might be a dead giveaway that something is wrong. Or they could have just added it to lemonade or something. The rotting fish smell should be a pretty clear warning that you don't have 2CE.
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LSDylan
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: k00laid]
#15796232 - 02/12/12 03:48 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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k00laid said:
"Subsequent investigation revealed that the bitter yellow liquid they ingested"
dont we all know that its not a liquid?
cmon guys...
It is completely not out of the question for 2c-e to be diluted in liquid.
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starfire_xes
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: nooneman] 1
#15796237 - 02/12/12 03:54 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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they should learn to identify what they are taking. 2C-E has a very, very distinctive taste--once you taste the real thing, you will not forget it. And second, where do they buy this garbage from? I've used reputable online vendors (verified through safeorscam, as well as word of mouth friends) and have never gotten anything except what I was supposed to get. And if you order from a chinese chemical company, give them both the CAS number and the chemical name 2,5,dimethoxy.... not 2C-e. And ask for an assay sheet for the chemical. I guarantee if you are using a good chemical supplier they wont get it wrong.
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
#15796647 - 02/12/12 07:41 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Demonic_Chronic said:
I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
DC
"natural" or "synthetic" doesn't mean shit btw.
don't want to start a debate, but a chemical is a chemical, created by an animal, a plant or a chemist in his lab.
The dose make the poison and the poison make the dose, and this is true for every single chemical.
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Big Jilm
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Simplepowa]
#15796713 - 02/12/12 08:03 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I agree, the physical characteristics of 2c-e are so distinct even from lots of other closely related phens: the taste, the fluffines, color etc. Know your substances folks!
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Demonic_Chronic
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Simplepowa]
#15796826 - 02/12/12 08:46 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Simplepowa said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
DC
"natural" or "synthetic" doesn't mean shit btw.
don't want to start a debate, but a chemical is a chemical, created by an animal, a plant or a chemist in his lab.
The dose make the poison and the poison make the dose, and this is true for every single chemical.
Maybe not in your opinion but in mine it means a lot. And i believe theres plenty of people to agree with me, that natural tryptamines and phenethylamines are a bit nicer than synthetics. Or we can go to a different class of chems, MAOI's. Natural MAOI's such as caapi or syrian rue, are a little more lenient on the diet restrictions and such. Im not going to start a debate, but a chemical is not just a chemical, synthetic man made chems dont have that "spirit" imho, just feels like being thrown into Tokyo lol.
DC
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Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery and today is a gift. Thats why its called the present.
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: nooneman]
#15797257 - 02/12/12 11:05 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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nooneman said:
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k00laid said:
"Subsequent investigation revealed that the bitter yellow liquid they ingested"
dont we all know that its not a liquid?
cmon guys...
They probably added it to water to dose. I don't have experience with 2CE, but I'm betting that if you add it to water it should be clear, not yellow. So, yellow in water might be a dead giveaway that something is wrong. Or they could have just added it to lemonade or something. The rotting fish smell should be a pretty clear warning that you don't have 2CE.
I think he means 
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Demonic_Chronic] 1
#15797384 - 02/12/12 11:35 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Demonic_Chronic said:
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Simplepowa said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
DC
"natural" or "synthetic" doesn't mean shit btw.
don't want to start a debate, but a chemical is a chemical, created by an animal, a plant or a chemist in his lab.
The dose make the poison and the poison make the dose, and this is true for every single chemical.
Maybe not in your opinion but in mine it means a lot. And i believe theres plenty of people to agree with me, that natural tryptamines and phenethylamines are a bit nicer than synthetics. Or we can go to a different class of chems, MAOI's. Natural MAOI's such as caapi or syrian rue, are a little more lenient on the diet restrictions and such. Im not going to start a debate, but a chemical is not just a chemical, synthetic man made chems dont have that "spirit" imho, just feels like being thrown into Tokyo lol.
DC
The placebo effect can be very powerful...
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: islander20]
#15797438 - 02/12/12 11:49 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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islander20 said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
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Simplepowa said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
DC
"natural" or "synthetic" doesn't mean shit btw.
don't want to start a debate, but a chemical is a chemical, created by an animal, a plant or a chemist in his lab.
The dose make the poison and the poison make the dose, and this is true for every single chemical.
Maybe not in your opinion but in mine it means a lot. And i believe theres plenty of people to agree with me, that natural tryptamines and phenethylamines are a bit nicer than synthetics. Or we can go to a different class of chems, MAOI's. Natural MAOI's such as caapi or syrian rue, are a little more lenient on the diet restrictions and such. Im not going to start a debate, but a chemical is not just a chemical, synthetic man made chems dont have that "spirit" imho, just feels like being thrown into Tokyo lol.
DC
The placebo effect can be very powerful...
Meh, it can be. But like mentioned above, a debate was not intended to be started 
DC
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"Evolution. Evolution is the greatest force in the material world. Evolution will provide us the next step in intelligent life. But it will come from somewhere unexpected."
Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery and today is a gift. Thats why its called the present.
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Demonic_Chronic] 1
#15797544 - 02/12/12 12:08 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Demonic_Chronic said:
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Simplepowa said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
DC
"natural" or "synthetic" doesn't mean shit btw.
don't want to start a debate, but a chemical is a chemical, created by an animal, a plant or a chemist in his lab.
The dose make the poison and the poison make the dose, and this is true for every single chemical.
Maybe not in your opinion but in mine it means a lot. And i believe theres plenty of people to agree with me, that natural tryptamines and phenethylamines are a bit nicer than synthetics. Or we can go to a different class of chems, MAOI's. Natural MAOI's such as caapi or syrian rue, are a little more lenient on the diet restrictions and such. Im not going to start a debate, but a chemical is not just a chemical, synthetic man made chems dont have that "spirit" imho, just feels like being thrown into Tokyo lol.
DC
So, if we find 2C-E one day in one of the million of species of plant not even discovered yet, will it gain magically the "nicer" part it currently lack?
Because, you know, 2C-E is 2C-E like 4-HO-DMT is 4-HO-DMT, synthesized or found in a mushroom.
Some of the powerful poison currently known come from plants or animal. They are natural. Some of the best medicine come from chemist too.
And if a molecule has a good effect on you but is created by a human in a lab, called a chemist who work on creating a new MAOI for example, powerful enough to let you experience a DMT experience orally but without all the diet watching you have to do before indulging in such experience, you will discard it because it doesn't come from "nature"?
I don't understand. The question of "feeling" is much much much placebo-ish.
You know that psylocybin mushroom, when you put DPT or DiPT in their mycellium, they will automatically turn it in 4-HO-DPT or 4-HO-DiPT? They take a "synthetic" molecule, and add a nice little hydroxy group on the carbon cycle, turning it natural? Is that make those molecule made by Shulgin more natural now? They just have specific enzyme that turn them that way.
Plants are the best chemist on Earth! Some plant even produce methamphetamine!
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Methamphetamine has been reported to occur naturally in Acacia berlandieri, and possibly Acacia rigidula, trees that grow in West Texas.[74] Methamphetamine and amphetamine were long thought to be strictly human-synthesized,[75] but Acacia trees contain these and numerous other psychoactive compounds (e.g., mescaline, nicotine, dimethyltryptamine), and the related compound β-phenethylamine is known to occur from numerous Acacia species.[76]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
Or you think that plant really wants to help human? It's all random. Randomness of evolution, that's it.
Well... I think you understand now.
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Re: Dramatic cases of methemoglobinemia after ingestion of fake 2C-E [Re: Simplepowa] 1
#15797578 - 02/12/12 12:15 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Simplepowa said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
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Simplepowa said:
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Demonic_Chronic said:
I met up with a friend last weekend and he told me a bizarre and horrid story about some bad 2c-e he got a few months back from another old friend of ours.. One started throwing up blood and shit, and the one i met up with is just fininshing physical therapy for muscle problems in his chest. Thats why i prefer naturals =
DC
"natural" or "synthetic" doesn't mean shit btw.
don't want to start a debate, but a chemical is a chemical, created by an animal, a plant or a chemist in his lab.
The dose make the poison and the poison make the dose, and this is true for every single chemical.
Maybe not in your opinion but in mine it means a lot. And i believe theres plenty of people to agree with me, that natural tryptamines and phenethylamines are a bit nicer than synthetics. Or we can go to a different class of chems, MAOI's. Natural MAOI's such as caapi or syrian rue, are a little more lenient on the diet restrictions and such. Im not going to start a debate, but a chemical is not just a chemical, synthetic man made chems dont have that "spirit" imho, just feels like being thrown into Tokyo lol.
DC
So, if we find 2C-E one day in one of the million of species of plant not even discovered yet, will it gain magically the "nicer" part it currently lack?
Because, you know, 2C-E is 2C-E like 4-HO-DMT is 4-HO-DMT, synthesized or found in a mushroom.
Some of the powerful poison currently known come from plants or animal. They are natural. Some of the best medicine come from chemist too.
And if a molecule has a good effect on you but is created by a human in a lab, called a chemist who work on creating a new MAOI for example, powerful enough to let you experience a DMT experience orally but without all the diet watching you have to do before indulging in such experience, you will discard it because it doesn't come from "nature"?
I don't understand. The question of "feeling" is much much much placebo-ish.
You know that psylocybin mushroom, when you put DPT or DiPT in their mycellium, they will automatically turn it in 4-HO-DPT or 4-HO-DiPT? They take a "synthetic" molecule, and add a nice little hydroxy group on the carbon cycle, turning it natural? Is that make those molecule made by Shulgin more natural now? They just have specific enzyme that turn them that way.
Plants are the best chemist on Earth! Some plant even produce methamphetamine!
Quote:
Methamphetamine has been reported to occur naturally in Acacia berlandieri, and possibly Acacia rigidula, trees that grow in West Texas.[74] Methamphetamine and amphetamine were long thought to be strictly human-synthesized,[75] but Acacia trees contain these and numerous other psychoactive compounds (e.g., mescaline, nicotine, dimethyltryptamine), and the related compound β-phenethylamine is known to occur from numerous Acacia species.[76]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
Or you think that plant really wants to help human? It's all random. Randomness of evolution, that's it.
Well... I think you understand now.
Aight ya got me there, ill be honest..got no comeback for that one lol. Nice info man 
DC
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Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery and today is a gift. Thats why its called the present.
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