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 Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: Psychoslut]
#15807124 - 02/14/12 05:58 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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There are better ways of dealing with the situation.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#15807125 - 02/14/12 05:59 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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I dont know what they are talking about either, i have a possesion charge on public record and i get fafsa.
How did you answer the drug question on your application form?
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luvdemshrooms said:
I served on a grand jury a few years back. It's done (at least around here), although typically they just charge everyone.
I have never heard of it being done in the US, but I see no reason why they wouldn't do it. Maybe it just hasn't hit the news in any stories I have read.
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I imagine in a "mom said, son said" case they could easily print the scale or paraphernalia.
I think they would just charge the son and let the courts sort it out.
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The cost is so cheap, there'd be no reason not to do it.
I am surprised that I haven't heard of it being done. Seems so obvious. Yet I have never seen a newspaper story where they mentioned fingerprint evidence on the drugs.
What was serving on a grand jury like? Did you have to keep going back at a regular interval for a year?
Most people say that serving on a grand jury is a nightmare, but I would kill for that opportunity.
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im not sure man, i dont even remember a question about drugs. im sure i lied about it though. It would be pretty easy for them to find me out because my county posts your record on the internet.
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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
What was serving on a grand jury like?
It was depressing.
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Did you have to keep going back at a regular interval for a year?
No. It was 12 weeks. Three Wednesdays on, one off. It's a fairly rural area.
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Most people say that serving on a grand jury is a nightmare, but I would kill for that opportunity.
I'd sooner pluck my eyeballs out and eat them than go back.
The first day, the county prosecutor spoke to us as a group and showed us a video. At the end of the video I expected my fellow jurors to jump up, give the Nazi salute and shout in unison... "all hail the state"! The video was clearly designed to herd the people in the direction the state wanted them to go. The basic message? "If the state says that it is so... it is so."
Although it was fairly clear that several of the other jurors were pot users, they all voted to indict people for drug offenses. Although on the last day one other guy (who is AFOAF so I know he's a smoker) told me he too was going to vote to NOT indict in drug cases. I told him that I was sure that would be of great comfort to those he had already voted TO indict. He didn't speak to me again after that.
During one cultivation case, the prosecutor wanted us to indict a mentally disabled guy who had two half-dead plants in Dixie cups in his attic. The prosecutor told us he was doing it to "help" the guy. My fellow jurors jumped at the chance to "help".
Some of the jurors were clearly just out of high school. They rambled on about pot being a gateway drug. Some jurors were clearly hung-over. Personally, I was left feeling like they were simply wanting to stick it to someone to help justify their miserable existence.
The "evidence" presented was in many cases laughable.
How many people did I help save from indictment? Zero. All the state needed was a majority of the 24 jurors. Are you familiar with the phrase "I could indict a ham sandwich"? You can get a majority to indict anyone or anything.
Lest you think I blindly voted not to indict drug users, I did vote to indict two. One stole her moms scrip for pain pills and was caught on video tape at the local pharmacy having the scrip filled. The other was so wasted he couldn't walk, let alone drive. He caused an accident which nearly killed someone.
The sheer stupidity of my fellow jurors was depressing, and did nothing but foster the feeling that mankind as a whole, is doomed.
I weep for our future.
And for doing our civic duty, we each earned 15 dollars per day.
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Oh, a further tidbit.
Out of the hundreds of cases we heard... how many times did the grand jury vote NOT to indict?
One.
Yup. One. And that case was brought back up a couple weeks later. The same evidence was presented in a slightly different way.
The result?
Indicted.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#15807231 - 02/14/12 06:51 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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That sounds awful, sorry you had to go through that. I see why they say the grand jury is a rubber stamp. I didn't realize that all they had to do was convince a majority out of 24.
With no defense present, I don't see how anyone could ever not be indicted. On the case they didn't indict, why was that?
What were the cases like where you voted no for indictment?
Did anyone vote no with you?
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Alan Rockefeller said:
That sounds awful, sorry you had to go through that. I see why they say the grand jury is a rubber stamp. I didn't realize that all they had to do was convince a majority out of 24.
I was pretty surprised as well.
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With no defense present, I don't see how anyone could ever not be indicted.
Exactly. The deck is stacked.
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On the case they didn't indict, why was that?
It was a case where someone over 18 was feeling up someone under 16. There were no witnesses, and no proof. The girl didn't even want to proceed but mommy insisted.
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What were the cases like where you voted no for indictment?
Almost all were simple possession cases. Some were caught traveling. Some were at home. A few small time sales (friend to friend). I did vote not to indict in a couple theft cases where the evidence simply wasn't there. A couple fights where two drunk buddies punched each other a few times. Several were he said' she said cases with no actual evidence.
I'd say a rough estimate of my votes would be 75% to, 25% to not.
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Did anyone vote no with you?
On the drugs? Sadly there was only one or two dissenting votes in a few cases. On the other (non-drug) cases there were occasionally minority no votes, but they were rare.
I was momentarily tempted to vote to indict in one cultivation case:
Person A was growing weed along a power line trail. One morning he arrived to tend his crop, only to discover state and local cops, sheriffs and DEA running around. Now any halfway intelligent human would have drove right by. Nope. He stopped and wandered up asking questions of the "what's going on" variety. They escorted him back to his vehicle where in his vehicle they observed...
buckets
soil
fertilizer (the containers just happened to be the same type found at the scene)
water containers
shovels
baggies.
I was tempted to vote to indict just to remove a person of such incredible stupidity from the gene pool. My fellow jurors had no problem indicting.
The entire experience made it tempting (haha) to give up voting, except they also use drivers license records, property tax rolls and more when selecting jurors.
The plus side of this? Well even though I have exercised extreme caution throughout my life (never busted) I am now even more careful than before. I know that if it happens to me, indictment will follow.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#15807398 - 02/14/12 08:05 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Jury nullification. More information here.
An educated juror can refuse to enforce corrupt laws.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: Mike Reynolds]
#15807409 - 02/14/12 08:11 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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This isn't a jury, it is a grand jury. He can refuse all he wants but they are still going to indict.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: Mike Reynolds]
#15807504 - 02/14/12 08:49 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Mike Reynolds said:
Jury nullification. More information here.
An educated juror can refuse to enforce corrupt laws.
Perhaps you are unaware of the difference between a jury and a grand jury.
I did my part, but 1 voice among 24 is hard to hear.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#15807601 - 02/14/12 09:24 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
I served on a grand jury a few years back. It's done (at least around here), although typically they just charge everyone.
I imagine in a "mom said, son said" case they could easily print the scale or paraphernalia.
The cost is so cheap, there'd be no reason not to do it.
Still, both of their fingerprints are on the contraband.
It's completely feasible that he touched a plastic bag in his OWN HOME before his mother put marijuana in it.
SAme with the "paraphernalia" which i think is probably like a pipe. if she carried it in then its possible his prints were wiped off, but hers are almost definitely on there.
As a matter of fact, if both of their prints are on the weed I would assume that they smoked it together.
Let's charge the bitch with endangering a minor, possession of a controlled substance, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, distribution of a controlled substance to a minor. ahhh the charges just keep going and going 
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: NWlight]
#15807634 - 02/14/12 09:33 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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scumbagsteve would let his mom fall for his weed.
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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: NWlight]
#15807682 - 02/14/12 09:47 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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NWlight said:
Still, both of their fingerprints are on the contraband.
Likely, if it was his.
However, my response was to Learyfan's suggestion that the son claim the stuff was not his and that the stuff was never in his possession. My response of "fingerprints" was intended to show that it wouldn't be hard for the cops to prove otherwise.
Unless he always wore gloves when handling the goods.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#15807730 - 02/14/12 10:01 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Mike Reynolds said:
Jury nullification. More information here.
An educated juror can refuse to enforce corrupt laws.
Perhaps you are unaware of the difference between a jury and a grand jury.
I did my part, but 1 voice among 24 is hard to hear.
And it was great that you did your part. I was just trying to "educate the masses". Imagine if the majority of jurors saw it your way.
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Re: Mom Turns in Son for Pot Possession [Re: Mike Reynolds]
#15807762 - 02/14/12 10:09 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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Well, you got me there. The "masses" do need educating.
However, they do need to know as well that there is a difference between the two types of juries, and that what works for one will be of no use for the other.
Keep spreading the word though. I'm always pleased to see others that are aware of jury nullification.
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