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 Injecting birthed cakes?
#15796574 - 02/12/12 07:16 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I have read of people injecting there cakes after birth with water to rehydrate,i'm thinking about injecting some pasteurized h poo water,or a weak coffee pot water. would this be beneficial in anyway? I have 15 jars at various stages of colonization right now so i'm wanting to experiment with a few. But if this is just a flat out bad idea i don't wanna waist my time. thanks
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15796626 - 02/12/12 07:35 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I have read of people injecting there cakes after birth with water to rehydrate,i'm thinking about injecting some pasteurized h poo water,or a weak coffee pot water. would this be beneficial in anyway? I have 15 jars at various stages of colonization right now so i'm wanting to experiment with a few. But if this is just a flat out bad idea i don't wanna waist my time. thanks
Dont do that. First off you cant inject things into your cakes. Its solid mass and second of all it wont help them. There is no way of adding nutrients or food that the mycelium can absorb and adding uncolonized material such as BRF (this has been done) will lead to contamination.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15796722 - 02/12/12 08:06 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15796866 - 02/12/12 08:57 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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justncyn said:
i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
Dunking them is just as effective. I have tried to inject cakes with water myself only to find that it was impossible so I dont think thats a good method. Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
You never posted an image so there is nothing to see.
Here is one of mine instead. BRF substrate 1200 ml. Dunked.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15796921 - 02/12/12 09:18 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
Aren't mushrooms 90% water? So if your cake is dehydrated the size of your fruits will definitely suffer, as there will be less water to make mushrooms with.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: tdmm]
#15796938 - 02/12/12 09:24 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Edited by justncyn (02/12/12 09:24 AM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: tdmm]
#15796960 - 02/12/12 09:34 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
Aren't mushrooms 90% water? So if your cake is dehydrated the size of your fruits will definitely suffer, as there will be less water to make mushrooms with.
Yes but its not that hard to keep moisture content. This is overkill I believe. I saw Roadkills cakes and they looked good but that comes from genetics. More water doesnt automatically mean larger fruits, there is a limit to how much water the cakes can absorb. Using this technique as a means to re-hydrate cakes is of course valid, which I have seen but I find it to be rather over the top. A simple 6 hour dunking will do the job just fine.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15797063 - 02/12/12 10:18 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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OP doesn't want to inject with water.
OP wants to inject with a nutritious aqueous solution.
Mushrooms eat solid foods, not liquid.
fruit size is dependent on
1. available carbon
2. available h20
3. genetic predisposition
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15797075 - 02/12/12 10:21 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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here are many factors that effect yield size and yield amount. but injecting a liquid will not help... unless maybe its coffee.
1. genetics
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: boommer]
#15797222 - 02/12/12 10:58 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Id say let him try it. When the cake clogs the syringe and he gets a face full when it unplugs he will know why it does work well lol. Even if it doesn't plug the solution just seems to flow out the injection site.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: iwannabemro]
#15797271 - 02/12/12 11:09 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Id say let him try it. When the cake clogs the syringe and he gets a face full when it unplugs he will know why it does work well lol. Even if it doesn't plug the solution just seems to flow out the injection site.
this is my new response to all new posters on this forum.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15797350 - 02/12/12 11:28 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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lol, some people including myself just have to see for themselves. Thats why cultivation is so much fun, Trial and Error, and never ending experiments.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: iwannabemro]
#15797566 - 02/12/12 12:13 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Id say let him try it. When the cake clogs the syringe and he gets a face full when it unplugs he will know why it does work well lol. Even if it doesn't plug the solution just seems to flow out the injection site.
really wtf. why would you say something like that? just asking questions trying to evolve dont let the number of posts and date I registered fool you.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15797588 - 02/12/12 12:17 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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justncyn said:
i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
Dunking them is just as effective. I have tried to inject cakes with water myself only to find that it was impossible so I dont think thats a good method. Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
You never posted an image so there is nothing to see.
Here is one of mine instead. BRF substrate 1200 ml. Dunked.
When I do cakes I inject. Just push your needle in, And twist the syringe. Then inject with 10cc. Much less time then soaking for 12+hours. + no need to re soak after each flush. I get the same results as dunking, possible even faster times between flush's
And if you inject slow, Not like an idiot the water will not spray in your face, It will infact soak into the cake.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15797897 - 02/12/12 01:15 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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What about dunking in sterilized pond water + h202? Read alot about that years ago and tried it, not in any kind of controlled test, but everything worked out nicely.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15798212 - 02/12/12 02:11 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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kdmmontana said:
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justncyn said:
i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
Dunking them is just as effective. I have tried to inject cakes with water myself only to find that it was impossible so I dont think thats a good method. Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
You never posted an image so there is nothing to see.
Here is one of mine instead. BRF substrate 1200 ml. Dunked.
When I do cakes I inject. Just push your needle in, And twist the syringe. Then inject with 10cc. Much less time then soaking for 12+hours. + no need to re soak after each flush. I get the same results as dunking, possible even faster times between flush's
And if you inject slow, Not like an idiot the water will not spray in your face, It will infact soak into the cake.
I rather dunk my cakes than poking them with needles. 
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15799696 - 02/12/12 06:49 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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What about dunking in sterilized pond water + h202? Read alot about that years ago and tried it, not in any kind of controlled test, but everything worked out nicely.
H202 causes harm to mycelium. Its a false statement to say that it casues no harm, And should not be used for anything in mycology. The only thing h202 will treat is cobweb. And it will stress the myc.
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I rather dunk my cakes than poking them with needles.
Personal prefference.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15799860 - 02/12/12 07:23 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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this has been brought up a lot lately and no, it is not a good idea to INJECT anything into a cake
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Swwert]
#15800321 - 02/12/12 08:54 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Its not a good idea to inject your cakes with anything. The best way to look at it, is that you are injecting a contaminant into the core of your cake. I imagine that you will try this regardless, but I dont think you will achieve your desired result.
My advice is to just dunk the cake like everyone else. And use regular tap water to do so.
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the cake is sitting in a contaminated environment inthe FC anyway. dont say its the wrong way. its personal preference. i have never had a contam from injecting, have you ever even tried? i only speak from personal experience. I don't go read what joe sais, then tell bob what joe said and act like its the only way...
there is a wide variety of teks used in mycology. your way isnt everyones way.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15800499 - 02/12/12 09:21 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Yep. Im not just regurgitating information. I tried it myself. Found the water absorption rate to be poor, and a bunch of those cakes contaminated from the inside out.
Also, I wasn't attacking you, only giving my experience and advice from prior attempts.
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how are you sure your cake was not contammed before injecting. i never had a contam using this method before the third flush.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15801510 - 02/13/12 01:37 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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how are you sure your cake was not contammed before injecting. i never had a contam using this method before the third flush.
again this is personal preference. no need to argue.
THis is not a matter of personal preference. I assume that Roadkill is a fantastic cultivator, in fact he must be since he is the guy standing next to RR in his video series, however:
Given the nature of peoples very mixed experiences with this method, I would say its experimental at best, not because it doesnt "work" but because it can give both good and bad results. We have at our hands dunking and I cant see any reason why people should stab their cakes with needles when all they have to do is dunk them. Its like deciding to skip changing your tyre and instead spray QuickFix on it everytime it blows.
Cakes are dunkable, and dunked they shall be. Your personal experiences is hardly any reason for new or more experienced growers to try this method, because any dunking would be just as effective.
Whats the point of injecting cakes, when dunking works just as well?
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15802496 - 02/13/12 10:27 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Everyone in this hobby should try more than one meathod. You don't stick to pf when you start, you experiment. For all you know the OP would get better results with injecting vs dunking. Have u ever had bacteri grow in your dunk water? And turn all your Cakes to mush had it happen on mpre than one occasion. Never had this problem with injecting.
I will dunk if I have time to blow. But I prefferably inject my cakes.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15802526 - 02/13/12 10:37 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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how does that work?
I have never considered injection.
I would think injection wouldn't work, I can't imagine the sub taking the injection or wouldn't absorb.
and if injection does work well has anyone tried injection and dunking vs just dunk and just injection
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15802551 - 02/13/12 10:46 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Everyone in this hobby should try more than one meathod. You don't stick to pf when you start, you experiment. For all you know the OP would get better results with injecting vs dunking. Have u ever had bacteri grow in your dunk water? And turn all your Cakes to mush had it happen on mpre than one occasion. Never had this problem with injecting.
I will dunk if I have time to blow. But I prefferably inject my cakes.
Ive never had bacteria growing in my dunking water. Ever heard of cleaning? I just doubt your logic, thats all. If you think injecting cakes is superior to dunking, then have the balls to make a thread in Mush Cult about it and give people some evidence and a chance to comment.
I will never inject my cakes with anything.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15802721 - 02/13/12 11:28 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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you can't just re-use standing water. thats going to ruin cakes everytime. i'm not surprised.
fresh water for every dunk. theres nothing growing in that.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15803877 - 02/13/12 03:31 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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You guys are getting off topic here, i am the op. I was not asking about injection for hydration of H2o i was wanting to inject h poo water or coffee water for nutrients.
After further reading i have concluded they want food not nutrients so it would really be no point. Although i have read enough threads about injecting water to seriously consider trying it, i have not seen any cons as far as injecting water.
As i stated earlier in this thread i just want to try and evolve my learning think outside the box a little and try different methods. If nobody ever tried any new procedures in this hobby we would all probably be doing brf cakes.
Edited by justncyn (02/13/12 03:33 PM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15803904 - 02/13/12 03:37 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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go to the bottom of this page in similar threads the second one down by kevincoughlin seems to be just one of many good outcomes as far as injecting water goes.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15804219 - 02/13/12 04:31 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Its too bad I can't take any of that information to heart in kevincoughlin's thread. there simply is not enough information listed to determine anything from what he did.
1. he did not detail his procedures for dunking. was it submerged? for how long? we dunk 20-24 hours with brf but plenty of people come on here and say they do anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 days because they have bad information.
2. he did not specify his genetics. was it an isolate? was it multi-spore? who knows....
3. the statement that the average size fruit from the dunked cakes was as shown in the picture is a joke and an insult anyone who was ever properly dunked brf cakes from multispore. they grow by far better than that pinky sized fruit.
as a concluding statement, I'll show you fruits just as large that I grew without dunking or injecting or even misting.
 
 
ya, that was my first grow. it was a genetic gold mine. too bad I couldn't isolate then.
here are some properly dunked MS cakes, and you can see I get pretty consistant decent sized fruits from them.
  
.... and I'll offer you a more rewarding thing to experiment with than shooting up your cakes... try recycling everyday household materials in to substrates. Mushrooms can and will grow off of many many things just fine.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15804733 - 02/13/12 05:59 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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You guys are getting off topic here, i am the op. I was not asking about injection for hydration of H2o i was wanting to inject h poo water or coffee water for nutrients.
After further reading i have concluded they want food not nutrients so it would really be no point. Although i have read enough threads about injecting water to seriously consider trying it, i have not seen any cons as far as injecting water.
As i stated earlier in this thread i just want to try and evolve my learning think outside the box a little and try different methods. If nobody ever tried any new procedures in this hobby we would all probably be doing brf cakes.
A lot of people are trying new procedures from time to time, however we who are slightly more experienced growers know that this is a hobby with rules and that it takes time to master it.
Learning how to get decent fruits from a standard PF TEK cake would be lesson one, not fucking around with needles when you have no concept of the outcome.
Besides, there are so many liars, trollz etc here that enjoy taking people for a ride. Dont believe anything you read.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15804988 - 02/13/12 06:34 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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A lot of people are trying new procedures from time to time, however we who are slightly more experienced growers know that this is a hobby with rules and that it takes time to master it.
Learning how to get decent fruits from a standard PF TEK cake would be lesson one, not fucking around with needles when you have no concept of the outcome.
Besides, there are so many liars, trollz etc here that enjoy taking people for a ride. Dont believe anything you read.
i have already learned and have got plenty of good fruits and great results following the standard pf tek. This is not my first grow.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15805045 - 02/13/12 06:43 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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A lot of people are trying new procedures from time to time, however we who are slightly more experienced growers know that this is a hobby with rules and that it takes time to master it.
Learning how to get decent fruits from a standard PF TEK cake would be lesson one, not fucking around with needles when you have no concept of the outcome.
Besides, there are so many liars, trollz etc here that enjoy taking people for a ride. Dont believe anything you read.
i have already learned and have got plenty of good fruits and great results following the standard pf tek. This is not my first grow.
I dont doubt that.
There are dozens of theoretical actions people consider that they post up here, most of them are never resolved because people cannot determine why their results improved. Lets say you inject your cakes with water once and you have a great flush. There are dozens of factors involved in that. Youd have to repeat the same thing on 100;s of cakes and even use a control to measure the percieved effect.
The performance of cakes that are injected have not been shown to increase, in relation to the general results we can see in bulk grows etc.
This is why my standpoint is so firm; falsesly believing that injecting cakes will automatically lead to great results is dangerous.
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