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 justncyn
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 Injecting birthed cakes?
#15796574 - 02/12/12 07:16 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I have read of people injecting there cakes after birth with water to rehydrate,i'm thinking about injecting some pasteurized h poo water,or a weak coffee pot water. would this be beneficial in anyway? I have 15 jars at various stages of colonization right now so i'm wanting to experiment with a few. But if this is just a flat out bad idea i don't wanna waist my time. thanks
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15796626 - 02/12/12 07:35 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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justncyn said:
I have read of people injecting there cakes after birth with water to rehydrate,i'm thinking about injecting some pasteurized h poo water,or a weak coffee pot water. would this be beneficial in anyway? I have 15 jars at various stages of colonization right now so i'm wanting to experiment with a few. But if this is just a flat out bad idea i don't wanna waist my time. thanks
Dont do that. First off you cant inject things into your cakes. Its solid mass and second of all it wont help them. There is no way of adding nutrients or food that the mycelium can absorb and adding uncolonized material such as BRF (this has been done) will lead to contamination.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15796722 - 02/12/12 08:06 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: justncyn]
#15796866 - 02/12/12 08:57 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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justncyn said:
i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
Dunking them is just as effective. I have tried to inject cakes with water myself only to find that it was impossible so I dont think thats a good method. Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
You never posted an image so there is nothing to see.
Here is one of mine instead. BRF substrate 1200 ml. Dunked.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15796921 - 02/12/12 09:18 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
Aren't mushrooms 90% water? So if your cake is dehydrated the size of your fruits will definitely suffer, as there will be less water to make mushrooms with.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: tdmm]
#15796938 - 02/12/12 09:24 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Edited by justncyn (02/12/12 09:24 AM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: tdmm]
#15796960 - 02/12/12 09:34 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
Aren't mushrooms 90% water? So if your cake is dehydrated the size of your fruits will definitely suffer, as there will be less water to make mushrooms with.
Yes but its not that hard to keep moisture content. This is overkill I believe. I saw Roadkills cakes and they looked good but that comes from genetics. More water doesnt automatically mean larger fruits, there is a limit to how much water the cakes can absorb. Using this technique as a means to re-hydrate cakes is of course valid, which I have seen but I find it to be rather over the top. A simple 6 hour dunking will do the job just fine.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15797063 - 02/12/12 10:18 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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OP doesn't want to inject with water.
OP wants to inject with a nutritious aqueous solution.
Mushrooms eat solid foods, not liquid.
fruit size is dependent on
1. available carbon
2. available h20
3. genetic predisposition
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15797075 - 02/12/12 10:21 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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here are many factors that effect yield size and yield amount. but injecting a liquid will not help... unless maybe its coffee.
1. genetics
2. bulk amount
3. spawn amount
4. environment issues
5. lighting
6. fruiting at the right time
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: boommer]
#15797222 - 02/12/12 10:58 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Id say let him try it. When the cake clogs the syringe and he gets a face full when it unplugs he will know why it does work well lol. Even if it doesn't plug the solution just seems to flow out the injection site.
Edited by iwannabemro (02/12/12 10:59 AM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: iwannabemro]
#15797271 - 02/12/12 11:09 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Id say let him try it. When the cake clogs the syringe and he gets a face full when it unplugs he will know why it does work well lol. Even if it doesn't plug the solution just seems to flow out the injection site.
this is my new response to all new posters on this forum.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Munchauzen]
#15797350 - 02/12/12 11:28 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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lol, some people including myself just have to see for themselves. Thats why cultivation is so much fun, Trial and Error, and never ending experiments.
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justncyn
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: iwannabemro]
#15797566 - 02/12/12 12:13 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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iwannabemro said:
Id say let him try it. When the cake clogs the syringe and he gets a face full when it unplugs he will know why it does work well lol. Even if it doesn't plug the solution just seems to flow out the injection site.
really wtf. why would you say something like that? just asking questions trying to evolve dont let the number of posts and date I registered fool you.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15797588 - 02/12/12 12:17 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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kdmmontana said:
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justncyn said:
i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
Dunking them is just as effective. I have tried to inject cakes with water myself only to find that it was impossible so I dont think thats a good method. Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
You never posted an image so there is nothing to see.
Here is one of mine instead. BRF substrate 1200 ml. Dunked.
When I do cakes I inject. Just push your needle in, And twist the syringe. Then inject with 10cc. Much less time then soaking for 12+hours. + no need to re soak after each flush. I get the same results as dunking, possible even faster times between flush's
And if you inject slow, Not like an idiot the water will not spray in your face, It will infact soak into the cake.
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Edited by PureHash (02/12/12 12:21 PM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15797897 - 02/12/12 01:15 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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What about dunking in sterilized pond water + h202? Read alot about that years ago and tried it, not in any kind of controlled test, but everything worked out nicely.
Edited by mcsh (02/12/12 01:16 PM)
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15798212 - 02/12/12 02:11 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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PureHash said:
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kdmmontana said:
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justncyn said:
i disagree. this is what trusted cultivator roadkill wrote.
"yes you can inject water into cakes.
when I did cakes I used to always inject water into them at birth instead of dunking before the first flush.....and I got some great results.
10cc at birth......and then 10cc every other day!
then I would dunk after the 1st flush and 2nd flush.
I never wasted my time after a 3rd flush....the cakes would be spent.
This picture is Acadian Coast BRF cakes....they were injected with water.
they exploded!!!!" end quote
Dunking them is just as effective. I have tried to inject cakes with water myself only to find that it was impossible so I dont think thats a good method. Your fruit sizes or yields are not dependent on water. Water has to be present for fruiting to occur but the rest are genetics I believe.
You never posted an image so there is nothing to see.
Here is one of mine instead. BRF substrate 1200 ml. Dunked.
When I do cakes I inject. Just push your needle in, And twist the syringe. Then inject with 10cc. Much less time then soaking for 12+hours. + no need to re soak after each flush. I get the same results as dunking, possible even faster times between flush's
And if you inject slow, Not like an idiot the water will not spray in your face, It will infact soak into the cake.
I rather dunk my cakes than poking them with needles. 
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: kdmmontana]
#15799696 - 02/12/12 06:49 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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mcsh said:
What about dunking in sterilized pond water + h202? Read alot about that years ago and tried it, not in any kind of controlled test, but everything worked out nicely.
H202 causes harm to mycelium. Its a false statement to say that it casues no harm, And should not be used for anything in mycology. The only thing h202 will treat is cobweb. And it will stress the myc.
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kdmmontana said:
I rather dunk my cakes than poking them with needles.
Personal prefference.
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: PureHash]
#15799860 - 02/12/12 07:23 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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this has been brought up a lot lately and no, it is not a good idea to INJECT anything into a cake
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Re: Injecting birthed cakes? [Re: Swwert]
#15800321 - 02/12/12 08:54 PM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Its not a good idea to inject your cakes with anything. The best way to look at it, is that you are injecting a contaminant into the core of your cake. I imagine that you will try this regardless, but I dont think you will achieve your desired result.
My advice is to just dunk the cake like everyone else. And use regular tap water to do so.
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the cake is sitting in a contaminated environment inthe FC anyway. dont say its the wrong way. its personal preference. i have never had a contam from injecting, have you ever even tried? i only speak from personal experience. I don't go read what joe sais, then tell bob what joe said and act like its the only way...
there is a wide variety of teks used in mycology. your way isnt everyones way.
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