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 White Beard
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 Thin line 
#15794961 - 02/11/12 08:27 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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It seems to me the line between Sorrow and Joy, Love and Hate, Acceptance and aversion is such a thin line. It's basically a simple little thought on my part which way I fall. Sometimes it's also hard to spot when I've fallen the way of suffering, and it just keeps building up and up until I can't take it any longer.
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A poem by Mewlana Jalaluddin Rumi titled "The Guest House" comes to mind. Hope it helps in some way. 
"This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
As an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond."
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"I had not expected fear, but terror came with her and though I sought a dying moment, she showed me a dying eternity. And though I sought to bring wisdom into the real, she tore the real from me and I was no more, in unbeing, I lost my fear."
"It is only in the face of death that a man's self is born" -St. Augustine.
Watching gardeners label their plants-I vow with all beings-To practice the old horticulture-And let plants identify me
Raven's Trade List
I can help a bit...
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White Beard
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Thanks man 
That was awesome.
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Raven Gnosis
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No problem! 
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"I had not expected fear, but terror came with her and though I sought a dying moment, she showed me a dying eternity. And though I sought to bring wisdom into the real, she tore the real from me and I was no more, in unbeing, I lost my fear."
"It is only in the face of death that a man's self is born" -St. Augustine.
Watching gardeners label their plants-I vow with all beings-To practice the old horticulture-And let plants identify me
Raven's Trade List
I can help a bit...
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imo this is because life is both awesome and terrifying.
Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom - Soren Kierkegaard
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"The man with the clear head is the man who frees himself from those fantastic ideas (the characterological lie about reality) and looks life in the face, realizes that everything in it is problematic, and feels lost. And this is the simple truth - that to live is to feel lost - he who accepts it has already begun to find himself, to be on firm ground. Instinctively, as do the shipwrecked, he will look round for something to which to cling, and that tragic, ruthless glance, absolutely sincere, because it is a question of his salvation, will cause him to bring order into the chaos of his life. These are the only genuine ideas; the ideas of the shipwrecked." - Ernest Becker
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The Chronic
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White Beard said:
It seems to me the line between Sorrow and Joy, Love and Hate, Acceptance and aversion is such a thin line. It's basically a simple little thought on my part which way I fall.
You hit the nail on the head, the thin line is only a thought, a 'simple little thought' can be the difference between inner light shining without limit & that same effulgence appearing reflected/modified/limited
The simple way is to not follow thoughts of any kind, good or bad, but to simply Be still, which is only to be as you are
The main thought is the 'I'-thought, that's where the limitation is put on, or left undressed, naked, it's all by what you associate your 'I' with, what you think it is. In experience it can seem tied up with the mind/body or left like space with no associations.
The line between the two is literally a thought, so simple, and that's why it's so easy to miss, it's the most simple, too simple!
Just try & attach your 'I' to any thing, it can not be done, its like trying to attach space to an appearance within that space, no attachment is possible at all.
Only an object can be attached to an object, like you can only attach a thought (a subtle object) to a worldly object (a gross object), so when you see that object the thought of it arises, but you can never attach your actual self to any object, as your self is not separate from any thing in order that the two could be 'attached', the object thought about, the attachment between thought & the object, all appear within the same one space, where is there room for separation?
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I find it's hard not to follow thoughts, especially the really subtle quite ones that seem to always be running. I really don't have a method for not following thoughts. Sometimes I just don't follow them and it's all good. Other times I notice I'm following them, try and stop, but trying to stop just creates a whole bunch more thoughts. The more I try, the harder it gets.
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my method for quieting the mind is basically to breath slowly, and at the same time focus on the space of my awareness. thoughts never stop completely (maybe for a moment) but i usually feel much more collected and in the present moment after a little bit.
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Yeah, I really like breathing too. I don't focus on the space of awareness because then I try and find a concrete thing instead of what is already here. I find when I'm breathing, the space of awareness just becomes apparent.
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hmmm ya, breathing is a basic time tested way to quiet the mind. Focusing on awareness helps a lot too but not if it is a thought about mental act, like you said it's best when it's just naturally apparent. if you can focus on I AM and have a quiet mind at the same time...well you're well on your way home at that point
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Okay, I was just laying in my bed breathing, feeling pretty high, and it seems like I have to breath a little first to settle the mind a bit then it becomes easy to focus on awareness.
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absolutely, the same thing happened to me today while i was meditating 
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Okay, it seems like I reach a point where the awareness of the breath naturally falls off and I'm just meditating on awareness I suppose. I also notice there is a desire to go 'deeper', but if I try to follow it it seems like I'm spinning my wheels. So I just rest at that one point.
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haha sounds good 
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The Chronic
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Quote:
White Beard said:
I find it's hard not to follow thoughts, especially the really subtle quite ones that seem to always be running. I really don't have a method for not following thoughts. Sometimes I just don't follow them and it's all good. Other times I notice I'm following them, try and stop, but trying to stop just creates a whole bunch more thoughts. The more I try, the harder it gets.
When you say 'I' like...
'i find its hard to not follow thoughts'
'Sometimes I just don't follow them and it's all good. Other times I notice I'm following them, try and stop...'
What exactly are you referring to?
Show me this 'I'
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there
so, if it's nothing, is it still there? confusing
Edited by cbub (02/14/12 10:01 AM)
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The Chronic
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Re: Thin line [Re: cbub]
#15808094 - 02/14/12 11:51 AM (3 months, 13 days ago) |
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cbub said:
so, if it's nothing, is it still there?
yes it is still here, its self-evident/self-existent, you still feel you exist no?
you know you are, short of knocking yourself out you can't get rid of the feeling 'I-exist'
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The Chronic
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this seemingly small little feeling inside us 'I-exist'
it contains everything
this is why nisargadatta & so many other sages said that by only contemplating/feeling I Am everything else gets revealed to you
even if confusion bubbles up it bubbles up within I Am, simply don't allow attention to go with the bubbles, keep it in/as I Am
thats why its such a paradox, you simply realize you 'are', that you always have been, but you realize that!
thats enlightenment, the light is here, but you realize it, you realize I Am
and it can't be described
you cant say what you are you just know that You Alone Are & could never not be, nothing can exist before you or after you, so you are the giver of life itself
inexhaustable
all from just resting as your own I Am
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